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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,983
    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg


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  • Lerxst1992
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg



    Although I agree and do not like Rogan what is this... another childish attack with no substance? What garbage is that curse out for?

     At least Rogan has both sides of  controversial issues, unlike this place, which is so woke it only tolerates one side of complex issues

    And yeah, they complain about diversity in the article but only one side gets to have a voice in its worldview. Let's satire... "We think these people should be hired and these other people should be fired based on their diversity or lack thereof." Nice worldview 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,983
    edited April 25
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg



    Although I agree and do not like Rogan what is this... another childish attack with no substance? What garbage is that curse out for?

     At least Rogan has both sides of  controversial issues, unlike this place, which is so woke it only tolerates one side of complex issues

    And yeah, they complain about diversity in the article but only one side gets to have a voice in its worldview. Let's satire... "We think these people should be hired and these other people should be fired based on their diversity or lack thereof." Nice worldview 
    You clearly missed the point of the article. But you do you, eh?

    Edit: to include wait for it, “I’ve been attacked!”
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    Lex, you need to define what "Woke" is for us. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,799
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg



    Although I agree and do not like Rogan what is this... another childish attack with no substance? What garbage is that curse out for?

     At least Rogan has both sides of  controversial issues, unlike this place, which is so woke it only tolerates one side of complex issues

    And yeah, they complain about diversity in the article but only one side gets to have a voice in its worldview. Let's satire... "We think these people should be hired and these other people should be fired based on their diversity or lack thereof." Nice worldview 
    You clearly missed the point of the article. But you do you, eh?

    Edit: to include wait for it, “I’ve been attacked!”

    Only for those who repeatedly like to curse and use profanity in their neverending putdowns of comments they disagree with, which I don't think is you. Maybe?

     Like differing opinions are some sort of crime. Instead of discussing opposing viewpoints to find reason in the middle. LOL to the regulars here. I read the article and stand by my comment. You do you as well
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,799
    Tim Simmons said:
    Lex, you need to define what "Woke" is for us. 
    Well we can resurrect The rarely appearing Tempo n Groove who provided a complete definition in his OP? 

    Regarding this place... that Fox News article I just posted is perfect. "Dark woke," that summarizes a lot of commenters here. But I don't think you. You will at least make a reasonable attempt to find something in the middle?
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    edited April 25
    Dark Woke isn't a thing (Especially since Fox News isn't being intellectually honest about what "woke" is - "Woke" to them is just code for "liberals" and things that conservatives don't like). What they want to say is people are pissed off and dicks about things. Which I see as a response to a conservative movement to be cruel and dicks to people that they don't like which is genuinely threatening people to say nothing about the tenants of our democracy. 



    I think pulling back, and taking a look at why you think “wokeness” exists (in dark form or its standard) may cause some clarification for all parties posting here. at the very least, it may help to refocus the conversation.
     

     


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,983
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    An Atlantic piece on Rogan’s podcast and the anti-wokeness movement. Very telling and indicative of why Rogan can go fuck himself. Spewing garbage.

    https://apple.news/ADEkPfyr0S0G7UWsPpXXlBg



    Although I agree and do not like Rogan what is this... another childish attack with no substance? What garbage is that curse out for?

     At least Rogan has both sides of  controversial issues, unlike this place, which is so woke it only tolerates one side of complex issues

    And yeah, they complain about diversity in the article but only one side gets to have a voice in its worldview. Let's satire... "We think these people should be hired and these other people should be fired based on their diversity or lack thereof." Nice worldview 
    You clearly missed the point of the article. But you do you, eh?

    Edit: to include wait for it, “I’ve been attacked!”

    Only for those who repeatedly like to curse and use profanity in their neverending putdowns of comments they disagree with, which I don't think is you. Maybe?

     Like differing opinions are some sort of crime. Instead of discussing opposing viewpoints to find reason in the middle. LOL to the regulars here. I read the article and stand by my comment. You do you as well
    Guess you were referring to yourself there, eh? Like COOTWH, every projection is an admission.

    And since it was lost on you, some differing viewpoints on certain subject matter with expert opinion and experience versus “woke” subject matter with an “expert” on one side of the argument and a comedian on the other “woke” side. Is that how you “find ‘reason’ in the middle?”
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,983
    “Dark woke.” Is that like sleeping in the dark with your eyes open or is it more like sleeping with your eyes closed and with the lights on? “Dark woke.” Maybe we should just abbreviate it to DarWok or better yet, DaWo? Or DW, anyone?
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    edited April 25
    I think if anyone pushes back on woke without considerations as to why people are upset, don’t really get it and their concerns are unfounded. 
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,304
    Merriam-Webster's updated entry to better describe the idea, as opposed to the op provided definition,  which is entry 2 in this particular listing...



    woke
    1 of 2
    adjective
    ˈwōk
    woker; wokest
    Synonyms of woke
    chiefly US slang
    1
    a
    : aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
    But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises.—
    Barbara Lee
    … argued that … Brad Pitt is not only woke, but the wokest man in Hollywood … because he uses his status—and his production company Plan B—to create space for artists of color, with such films as 12 Years a Slave, Selma, and the upcoming film Moonlight.—
    Giselle Defares
    Being woke to gender discrimination is difficult; it ruins things you love. Entire canons of art are rotten to the core with it.—
    Rachel Edelstein
    —often used in contexts that suggest someone's expressed beliefs about such matters are not backed with genuine concern or action
    There is never really a moment where a person of color doesn't have to deal with discrimination, whether it be veiled and passive or as blunt as possible. So, woke white people, why can't you step in?—
    Lauren Sanchez
    Enter the age of the performatively woke brand. Politics has become a kind of fashion accessory for corporate America these days, a way to profit from protest.—
    Jon Gingerich
    "Fake woke" behavior arises. We put the hashtags on our social media. #Sayhername, #icantbreathe, #blacklivesmatter. And repeat. The problem is that the level of concern we express online doesn't match the everyday behavior we exhibit.—
    Surayya Walters
    b
    : reflecting the attitudes of woke people
    woke values/language
    In our newly woke times, there has been increased scrutiny of old films dealing with sensitive subjects.—
    Hannah Jane Parkinson
    He wants to make The Wombles more "woke" so the characters are gender-fluid or of different races.—
    Liz Perkins
    2
    disapproving : politically liberal or progressive (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
    The national conservatives view today's liberals as woke cultural warriors who pose an existential threat to the nation and its traditions.—
    Shadi Hamid
    He's built a social media brand on the right railing against "woke liberals" and supporting former President Donald Trump.—
    Marissa Martinez
    The military is struggling to find new recruits to fill its ranks. … While the official reasons given by the military—including fewer face-to-face recruitments during the pandemic, and fewer young people who meet the physical standards required—likely play a role, some say it's because the military is too "woke," turning off its normal constituency of young, conservative recruits.—
    Suzanne Bates
    If there is any hope, it's that voters are rejecting woke green goals. Already this has occurred in Sweden and Italy, where voters threw out left-wing governments …—
    Michael Shellenberger
    'Woke capitalism' tends to be a term that critics use to refer to … portfolios that are built around environmental, social and governance issues like climate change or diversity.—
    Victor Reklaitis
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    Waking up is one thing.  Taking action, giving or even sacrificing something of yourself, that's a whole goddamn other thing. Aren't we sick of all this talk yet?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I seriously have no time for anyone who is either ignorant of the true definition or think it's a bad thing. Oh, wait, maybe I am still obligated to "come to the table/reach across the aisle" with troglodytes/bigots/racists/misogynists? No thanks. 

    I'm guessing replies will consist of "this is what's wrong with libruls!!! GRRRRR". Have at er. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

    The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,799
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

    The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

    And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    She didn’t run to the extreme though. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    You talk to any progressive person, they were NOT excited about Kamala because she offered them nothing but NOT TRUMP.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,799
    She was afraid to take stands on key issues because she was afraid of the bullies on the far left. Her biggest downfall of course was, not coming up with a good attack against trump for inflation and accuse him breaking the supply chain, and instead ran with the proven loser “trump is evil” campaign.  Which is happening yet again. Far left foot…meet rake….and step. 

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