WOKE

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

She was afraid to take stands on key issues because she was afraid of the bullies on the far left. Her biggest downfall of course was, not coming up with a good attack against trump for inflation and accuse him breaking the supply chain, and instead ran with the proven loser “trump is evil” campaign.  Which is happening yet again. Far left foot…meet rake….and step. 

Which key issues was she bullied out of not taking because of the Far Left?

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

She was afraid to take stands on key issues because she was afraid of the bullies on the far left. Her biggest downfall of course was, not coming up with a good attack against trump for inflation and accuse him breaking the supply chain, and instead ran with the proven loser “trump is evil” campaign.  Which is happening yet again. Far left foot…meet rake….and step. 

Which key issues was she bullied out of not taking because of the Far Left?

Don’t expect an answer. Just more word salad. I admire your patience. There’s no finding “the middle” here,

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said.  Come on, man, keep up.

gimmesometruth27

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.

your maga is showing again.

Lerxst1992

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.

your maga is showing again.

lol maga, talk about a clueless attack. I’ve never voted for a R in a general election, if you know anything about this ten year commenter on this forum, at least know that.


As for the prior two inaccurate commenters, there were many discussions from that guardian starmer/kamala article with the following title discussed often by me on the forum this week, thanks for paying attention..,

..

On wokeness, patriotism and change, Kamala Harris’s defeat has lessons for Starmer

“ Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.”

..

And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.

people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..

Bentleyspop

At its core "woke" is just another dogwhistle created by the writers at murdoch inc to stir up the ignorant base of the QtRUmplican party.

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said.  Come on, man, keep up.

Incorrect. You replied to a comment dismissing the problems with woke and the wider related topic. If the middle see dems as jerks, they ain’t gonna notice the subtlety of your comment.

democrat arrogance has prevented them from understanding several environmental errors, like billions wasted on poorly designed windmill farms,  and dishonesty regarding plastic recycling and many other examples. Without smart communication, the Republicans can easily make Democrats look arrogant and aloof and that’s why they win general elections they have no business winning.

 And you know the AMT reply is gonna be nonstop about the price of eggs and trump evil man, as the reason we lost. It’s just a party and a movement incapable of self reflection

 

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.

your maga is showing again.

And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.

people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..

What Woke meant in 2017 (where that clip is from) was a totally different from "Woke" in 2024. 

Tim Simmons

IMO she shouldn't have to distance herself from the 2017 quote because woke then meant an awareness that there are purposefully created inequalities and people should be made aware of them in a pursuit to treat each other equally. Its not her fault everyone is dopey now and thinks it just means White People=bad and they should feel bad about it. Its not her fault people are dumb or so sensitive. 
 

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.

your maga is showing again.

And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.

people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..

What Woke meant in 2017 (where that clip is from) was a totally different from "Woke" in 2024. 

Ok great but what does that mean? It used to be a poorly understood general attack from the right, and if anything it was more clearly understood as “dems are jerks” by 2024. She was center stage for the first time in her life in aug 2024, and this woke attack was on a roll

right or wrong, the Rs were ready for this fight. This was their planned intitial Kamala attack and the dems were flat footed and unprepared.  The Rs knew it would work, and she shrugged her shoulders instead of taking on the special interests in her party  she showed  the country she was not capable of representing from the middle.

Tim Simmons

All this tells me is we just need a candidate that sells their policy positions better than she did. 

You can care for the marginalized AND have sound policies that benefit the middle class. Its not running left or right or center, its connecting with these people. Woke isn't the problem, connection is. You can tell them Blacks and latinos and women and the disabled don't get a fair shake because of systemic racism/sexism/ableism AND say hey creating a more robust social safety net benefits everyone and makes for a stronger society. At the end of the day most people agree that we should treat each other fairly, but they want to see how they are taken care of too.

Tim Simmons

Basically show them whats in it for them. 

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!

The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild.  They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life.  That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise.  Their contrariness grows wearisome.

And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.

Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said.  Come on, man, keep up.

Incorrect. You replied to a comment dismissing the problems with woke and the wider related topic. If the middle see dems as jerks, they ain’t gonna notice the subtlety of your comment.

democrat arrogance has prevented them from understanding several environmental errors, like billions wasted on poorly designed windmill farms,  and dishonesty regarding plastic recycling and many other examples. Without smart communication, the Republicans can easily make Democrats look arrogant and aloof and that’s why they win general elections they have no business winning.

 And you know the AMT reply is gonna be nonstop about the price of eggs and trump evil man, as the reason we lost. It’s just a party and a movement incapable of self reflection

 

Lookup "whataboutism".  It's simple to do.

And your generalizations and characterizations about me are a laugh.  I'll say it again, Come on man, keep up!

brianlux

I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome.  I'm switching cars. 

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome.  I'm switching cars. 

Against this forum bullshit. FTFY.

because after all the conservatives were baited and baited on here, and then they all got kicked off the forum. Must be them (some of them deserved it, but not all). Must be me. Maher is over the hill and irrelevant. It’s always because someone else is not as good as you. There’s a word for that lol. 

Damn it if you are not getting your safe space. Better to blame someone else than search for the truth why Dems are getting toxic to the middle. 

Tim Simmons

They weren’t baited. They came in being dicks and were eventually banned when they weren’t following the forum rules. they never engaged in good faith discussions and only wanted to gloat and goad liberal posters here. 

I’m sorry that you get pushback on your positions here and that bothers you. I’m sorry that the kids of today view the world differently than you and are excited about some candidates that speak to them instead of ones that have continually let them down. I’m glad you feel confident that you have all the correct answers and that you are the only one who sees the world the way it really is and literally everyone else here have blinders on and no agency to their beliefs. 

We have 19 months until the midterms, 3,726 other things are gonna happen before then affecting people’s perceptions of Democrats and Republicans. (We don’t even have the official exit polling from 2024 - Census and Pew haven’t released it yet). We’re all just throwing darts here. 

benjs

Tim Simmons said:

They weren’t baited. They came in being dicks and were eventually banned when they weren’t following the forum rules. they never engaged in good faith discussions and only wanted to gloat and goad liberal posters here. 

I’m sorry that you get pushback on your positions here and that bothers you. I’m sorry that the kids of today view the world differently than you and are excited about some candidates that speak to them instead of ones that have continually let them down. I’m glad you feel confident that you have all the correct answers and that you are the only one who sees the world the way it really is and literally everyone else here have blinders on and no agency to their beliefs. 

We have 19 months until the midterms, 3,726 other things are gonna happen before then affecting people’s perceptions of Democrats and Republicans. (We don’t even have the official exit polling from 2024 - Census and Pew haven’t released it yet). We’re all just throwing darts here. 

I will say, the particularly rude mockery from one side to the other, used to be predominantly from the right-wing, aimed at the left-wing, and now I feel it's pretty much universal. There's more venom on here (and seemingly in the world) than there used to be. I get swept up in it too, and hate when I do. 

That said, if it's 2025 and you're unsure who has earned your vote, something tells me character is low on your priority list anyways.

DE4173

🎯

Tim Simmons

The accusation of not reflecting on behavior rings hollow, especially when it seems there hasn’t been reflection on why people feel “dark woke”

Tim Simmons

I hate that I had to write that with any level of seriousness