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HughFreakingDillon

"I personally know people" is not a basis for disparaging a concept in general. As I stated previously, of course there are those that abuse their power and often use certain initiatives as their reasoning. Doesn't mean the initiatives are to blame-it means the asshole applying them incorrectly is. Not sure why that's so hard to understand, but no, it's my "liberal world view". No, it's reality. That shit happens all the time. 

I don't think you're lying, not sure why you'd go there. I just didn't see what claims you were even making. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t. 

It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed. 

WAH

What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.

Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.

It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.

This place is a liberal cesspool.

If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate. 

DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in? 

Decisions should be merit or budget based when deciding who to fire.

100%. 

HughFreakingDillon

I'll explain it this way: if there's a law on the books, and if a cop abuses his authority, citing that law, do you demand the law be changed, or the cop be held accountable for his abuse? The choice is obvious to me. 

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s

I like this kind of logic.   I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies. 

Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?

 Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.

i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?

once again I ask..

Do you equate all Palestinians with Hamas?

yes or no.

previous statements leave a strong impression.

Halifax2TheMax

And fuck the EEOC, eh? Because it doesn’t protect white people, eh?

You’re right, you can’t make this shit up. Court for thee but not for me, ‘bout sums it up, eh?

HughFreakingDillon

Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks. 

Hahahaha

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks. 

Hahahaha

if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.

My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks. 

Hahahaha

if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.

My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.

It's not a foregone conclusion that DEI initiatives are a form of reverse racism.

On the Middle East, I don't know what can be said anymore other than that the conversation now is the same one that's been had before, and will be had again. People keep putting the same ingredients in and expecting other results. Is this cycle of causality incorrect?

Palestinians are dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians ->
World criticizes Israel's participation in the worsening of Palestinian lives ->
Hamas wants to capitalize on global outcry and is responsible for a terrorist event in Israel ->
Israel responds in a way disproportionate to the offence with permanent damage to infrastructure + Hamas cowardly hide behind the population ->
Hamas is weakened, promises peace ->
Palestinians are more dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians (repeat chorus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eq1m2s3rzE&ab_channel=NittyGrittyDirtBand-Topic

Tim Simmons

Personally the “reverse racism” argument falls flat when the one aspect of the culture that is so overwhelmingly dominant is the one claiming it, as they were the ones who set up the systemic hurdles keeping women and people of color from these roles (among everything else). I mean, it’s just a form of punching down.

I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected. 

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Personally the “reverse racism” argument falls flat when the one aspect of the culture that is so overwhelmingly dominant is the one claiming it, as they were the ones who set up the systemic hurdles keeping women and people of color from these roles (among everything else). I mean, it’s just a form of punching down.

I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected. 

You are making things up to support racist policies that significantly hurt democrats more than anything else at the polls. “Anecdotally “ it would be 100% better for companies to use budget as a stated reason for layoffs instead of a contrived fabricated process making it appear as if it’s performance related (which makes it damaging to the victims) while execs unrelated to the day to day overrule local managers then separately brag about a diverse workforce to the media. If it’s performance related, how would the execs even know if they are overriding existing performance documentation?

mickeyrat

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks. 

Hahahaha

if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.

My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.

It's not a foregone conclusion that DEI initiatives are a form of reverse racism.

On the Middle East, I don't know what can be said anymore other than that the conversation now is the same one that's been had before, and will be had again. People keep putting the same ingredients in and expecting other results. Is this cycle of causality incorrect?

Palestinians are dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians ->
World criticizes Israel's participation in the worsening of Palestinian lives ->
Hamas wants to capitalize on global outcry and is responsible for a terrorist event in Israel ->
Israel responds in a way disproportionate to the offence with permanent damage to infrastructure + Hamas cowardly hide behind the population ->
Hamas is weakened, promises peace ->
Palestinians are more dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians (repeat chorus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eq1m2s3rzE&ab_channel=NittyGrittyDirtBand-Topic

dammit man. to the fucking point....

Tim Simmons

Do you have a link supporting that THAT is the case more often than not? Because to me that sounds like very specific incident. 

Again, DEI policy is just being cognizant that disparities exist in the workplace and is an effort to try to overcome that, while still hiring the best candidate. Quotas are an entirely different issue. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Personally the “reverse racism” argument falls flat when the one aspect of the culture that is so overwhelmingly dominant is the one claiming it, as they were the ones who set up the systemic hurdles keeping women and people of color from these roles (among everything else). I mean, it’s just a form of punching down.

I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected. 

You are making things up to support racist policies that significantly hurt democrats more than anything else at the polls. “Anecdotally “ it would be 100% better for companies to use budget as a stated reason for layoffs instead of a contrived fabricated process making it appear as if it’s performance related (which makes it damaging to the victims) while execs unrelated to the day to day overrule local managers then separately brag about a diverse workforce to the media. If it’s performance related, how would the execs even know if they are overriding existing performance documentation?

how in the hell is describing systemic racism facts and history "making things up"?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks. 

Hahahaha

if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.

My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.

What are you worried about for fucks sake? Elongitaint is going to fix everything COOTWH is right about. Chillax.

Halifax2TheMax

And I thought courts existed for a reason? What’s stopping your victims from seeking redress?

mickeyrat

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The anti-DEI crusade is about cementing white male dominance
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As with “CRT,” the MAGA censors, thought police (aimed at rooting out “improper ideology”), Great Replacement paranoids, and outright bigots cannot tell us precisely what “DEI” is—they merely know they are dead set against it. Teaching children to hate America. Making whites feel guilty. Quotas. None of that resembles the “DEI” practices utilized by universities, employers, researchers, and government entities—but that’s irrelevant to them.

Nuanced concepts (e.g., outreach to recruit Americans of all backgrounds, medical trials to ensure women’s physiology is taken into account) do not appeal to people who think Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick epitomize “merit.”

Increasingly “DEI” in the MAGA dictionary has come to mean “Blacks” or “women” or “a convenient scapegoat who represents the ‘other.’” A plane goes down? DEI. A museum pays tribute to the greatness of Jackie Robinson? DEI.


Increasingly, the anti-DEI mission has become an explicit attempt to blame or erase non-whites, females, and other disenfranchised groups. Remember when they used to oppose “canceling” people and policing speech? MAGA ideologues no longer hide their core belief: that white men are inherently qualified, the “true” history of America has been made by white males, and non-white men are to blame for all calamities.

But the MAGA obsession with eradicating “DEI” is downright ludicrous. In their zeal to Make America White Again, the Trump word police went after the Smithsonian and the National Zoo. “The zoo boasts prominently on its website that it has ‘more than 2,200 animals representing almost 400 different species,’” Dana Milbank pointed out. “Could there be a more brazen embrace of DEI?”

It is impossible to disguise the anti-intellectual, anti-truth, and anti-American bent of the anti-DEI fanatics. The National Park Service webpage no longer features Harriet Tubman nor extols the Underground Railroad, “the resistance to enslavement through escape and flight, through the end of the Civil War.” The website has scrubbed any reference “to the efforts of enslaved African Americans to gain their freedom by escaping bondage.” Instead, we get a celebration of “American ideals of liberty and freedom,” CNN reports, without any explicit mention of slavery. American history without slavery—how convenient!

The ham-handed effort to bolster white advantage cannot conceal its real intent: To resegregate government and elite institutions. To take us back in time. Donald Trump’s repeal of LBJ’s Executive Order 11375 gave away the game.

“LBJ’s order gave the Secretary of Labor the authority to ensure equal opportunity for people of color and women in federal contractors’ recruitment, hiring, training and other employment practices,” Axios explained. “It required federal contractors to refrain from employment discrimination and take affirmative action to ensure equal opportunity ‘based on race, color, religion, and national origin.’”

Can’t have that!

At times, the anti-DEI crusade seems aimed to repeal the fundamental statutory and constitutional protections that prohibit discrimination and give meaning to “All men are created equal.” After all, if the MAGA crowd really wanted to root out unfairness and promote merit they would insist we reject unqualified white appointees and dump legacy admissions at colleges and universities schools. Instead, the anti-DEI crusade aims to bolster white entitlement and eradicate any sense of obligation to right society’s wrongs.

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In barring the collection of data that would reveal racial, ethnic, religious, and/or gender discrimination, the MAGA forces implicitly allow it to go undetected. “Systemic inequalities plague the health care landscape across race, gender, geography, socioeconomic status, and education levels,” the American Journal of Managed Care explained. “These issues are systemic and largely result from policies like redlining in mortgage lending, transportation and housing policies, and criminal sentencing.” In other words, “Implementing DEI policies and training in health care has allowed providers to become more aware of the need to develop their cultural competency skills to adequately serve growing patient populations and health disparities among various populations.”

If we cease to collect maternal and infant mortality data by race, the disproportionate deaths of Black women and infants will go undetected, and the causes of the disparities unaddressed.

For the MAGA gang, the problem seems to be the attempt to uncover, quantify, and remedy discrimination, not the discrimination itself. We cannot measure or correct what we do not know. By banning language and data collection (including medical trials, crime statistics, educational outcomes, etc.), that reference to prejudice based on race and/or gender goes unchecked.

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Let’s get real. The entire “DEI” search and destroy mission is a canard. “DEI” has lost all meaning. The MAGA gang is not seeking to undo unfair practices—but to give license to discrimination, elevate white victimhood, erase non-whites’ place and invaluable role in American history, and cement disadvantages we have never truly removed. If they actually explained why they opposed diversity, equity, and inclusion, few Americans would tolerate their effort to arrest social, political, and economic progress. When they oppose DEI, they are telling us they support homogeneity, inequity, and exclusion (as former transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg pointed out).

Since DEI’s meaning has been so obscured, the rest of us should, under this sham administration, stop using “DEI” to describe what is simply adherence to anti-discrimination regulations, laws, and constitutional provisions—which require we measure, understand, and address discrimination. And let’s call the anti-DEI fetish what it is: A blatant attempt to whitewash American history and solidify historical disadvantages that white supremacists resent giving up.

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Lerxst1992

firing people based on skin color is unamerican and wrong. Provide billions for education and training, ok do that.

for those confused why what is illegal on college admissions but still occurs in corporations, finding  the truth is simple, google eeoc $ limits. 

HughFreakingDillon

HughFreakingDillon

HughFreakingDillon

stolen from facebook: "Hegseth and Kennedy are what you get when DEI isn't part of your hiring process". Haha, so true.