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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
    How many rounds of investigations based on a political grievance should a private citizen have to endure?
    I don't know.  Don't feel sorry for someone that gets his dead brother's widow hooked on drugs.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,337
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
    How many rounds of investigations based on a political grievance should a private citizen have to endure?
    I don't know.  Don't feel sorry for someone that gets his dead brother's widow hooked on drugs.  
    nice. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    or have empathy for broken people.
    whatever works I guess....

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    mickeyrat said:
    or have empathy for broken people.
    whatever works I guess....

    Cheats on taxes.  Denies being a father until has to admit.   Selling "artwork" for $100s of thousands (yeah, being son of president had nothing to do with that). Lies on gun applications. 

    And I'm the bad guy here.  Whatever.   
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,337
    addicts do all sorts of things to feed their addiction. doesn't make them a bad person. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    mickeyrat said:
    or have empathy for broken people.
    whatever works I guess....

    Cheats on taxes.  Denies being a father until has to admit.   Selling "artwork" for $100s of thousands (yeah, being son of president had nothing to do with that). Lies on gun applications. 

    And I'm the bad guy here.  Whatever.   

    I said you were the bad guy for offering an alternative way of thinking? really?

    is it just him thats irredeemable or is that most or all addicts/alcoholics?
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,038

    Published Dec 03, 2024 at 9:32 AM ESTUpdated Dec 03, 2024 at 11:07 AM EST
    By Sean O'DriscollSenior Crime and Courts Reporter
    President Joe Biden may pardon his brother, Jim, to protect him from indictment, Republican members of the House Oversight Committee have said.The committee's chairman, James Comer, told Fox News on Monday that Jim Biden's loan deals were crimes and that he should be indicted, along with the president."I believe two other Biden family members definitely and knowingly committed crimes. In addition to Hunter Biden, you have Jim Biden and Joe Biden," he said.Newsweek sought email comment from the White House and from Jim Biden's attorney on Tuesday.President Biden controversially pardoned his son, Hunter, just weeks before he was due to be sentenced on gun and tax crimes. He also pardoned him for any crimes from the years 2014 to 2024 inclusively— years in which he was involved in business deals with his uncle, Jim.

    Who is Jim Biden?

    Joe Biden's younger brother is a businessman who has dabbled in everything from nightclubs to insurance to hospitals.In 2022, The Washington Post described him in a profile article as a "political wild card" who had frequently used the president's name to attract investors."From the start of Joe Biden's political career, James, who is seven years younger, has also walked up to ethical lines his brother has avoided, leaving a complicated trail of business dealings and angry lawsuits," the profile states.As a young student, Jim Biden dropped out of the University of Delaware and began his investment career. In 1972, he used his business skills as chief fundraiser when Joe Biden first ran for the Senate.He and Hunter Biden are close. Hunter Biden's emails, which were leaked by a laptop repair shop owner, reveal Jim Biden's willingness to share advice with his nephew."Hunter, we are cut from the same cloth," one email states. "You are a fine and yes, a gentle person. Believe it or not, I know you. Sounds corney [sic], but we both deserve to enjoy the moment. Concentrate on the good in our lives and try to step out of all the bulls*** you deal with on a minute to minute basis."Jim and Hunter Biden were working on a deal with Chinese executives at the time and have worked on other foreign deals together through the years.

    What is Jim Biden Accused Of?

    Republicans say that Jim Biden traded on his brother's name to take out loans and never repaid them.In February, Jim Biden told a joint hearing by the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees that he did not take out any improper loans.He told the committees on February 21 that fund manager Michael Lewitt wrote off $225,000 in loans to his firm when he was investing in a rural hospital chain.However, in March, Lewitt, told the news site, Politico, that he did not forgive the loans.He said a third party, which he declined to name, took over the debt. This taking over of the debt by the mysterious party occurred in 2020, while Joe Biden was running for president.Politico also claimed that Jim Biden invoked Joe Biden's name while investing in the rural hospital chain.That has led to intense interest by Republican congressmen, hoping to uncover business links between Jim and Joe Biden."Jim Biden, he took in all these loans, he didn't pay any interest, didn't pay any principal, had no loan documentation. At what point do those loans become income, they never pay taxes on," Comer told Fox host, Sean Hannity, on Monday."And by the way, why did he get those loans? And what was he doing?" Comer asked.Another Republican member of the Oversight Committee, Texas Congressman, Pat Fallon, told Fox on Monday that Jim Biden could "very well be" the next Biden family member to receive a presidential pardon."Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for so long about this and other things," he said._________________________________________________________________________

    I think it's going to be a bridge too far if Joe dares to pardon his brother, Jim. It's no secret that the Biden family has been very shady in their business dealings over the years. And yet, we all witnessed the public disgust recently when Joe, despite his many promises to the contrary, did indeed issue a blanket pardon covering a span of 11 years to his son Hunter. Imagine the outcry if the much lesser known brother, Jim Biden, gets the same preferential treatment. As I said, "a bridge too far".
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    shecky said:

    Published Dec 03, 2024 at 9:32 AM ESTUpdated Dec 03, 2024 at 11:07 AM EST
    By Sean O'DriscollSenior Crime and Courts Reporter


    President Joe Biden may pardon his brother, Jim, to protect him from indictment, Republican members of the House Oversight Committee have said.

    The committee's chairman, James Comer, told Fox News on Monday that Jim Biden's loan deals were crimes and that he should be indicted, along with the president.

    "I believe two other Biden family members definitely and knowingly committed crimes. In addition to Hunter Biden, you have Jim Biden and Joe Biden," he said.

    Newsweek sought email comment from the White House and from Jim Biden's attorney on Tuesday.

    President Biden controversially pardoned his son, Hunter, just weeks before he was due to be sentenced on gun and tax crimes. He also pardoned him for any crimes from the years 2014 to 2024 inclusively— years in which he was involved in business deals with his uncle, Jim.

    Who is Jim Biden?

    Joe Biden's younger brother is a businessman who has dabbled in everything from nightclubs to insurance to hospitals.In 2022, The Washington Post described him in a profile article as a "political wild card" who had frequently used the president's name to attract investors."From the start of Joe Biden's political career, James, who is seven years younger, has also walked up to ethical lines his brother has avoided, leaving a complicated trail of business dealings and angry lawsuits," the profile states.As a young student, Jim Biden dropped out of the University of Delaware and began his investment career. In 1972, he used his business skills as chief fundraiser when Joe Biden first ran for the Senate.He and Hunter Biden are close. Hunter Biden's emails, which were leaked by a laptop repair shop owner, reveal Jim Biden's willingness to share advice with his nephew."Hunter, we are cut from the same cloth," one email states. "You are a fine and yes, a gentle person. Believe it or not, I know you. Sounds corney [sic], but we both deserve to enjoy the moment. Concentrate on the good in our lives and try to step out of all the bulls*** you deal with on a minute to minute basis."Jim and Hunter Biden were working on a deal with Chinese executives at the time and have worked on other foreign deals together through the years.

    What is Jim Biden Accused Of?

    Republicans say that Jim Biden traded on his brother's name to take out loans and never repaid them.In February, Jim Biden told a joint hearing by the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees that he did not take out any improper loans.He told the committees on February 21 that fund manager Michael Lewitt wrote off $225,000 in loans to his firm when he was investing in a rural hospital chain.However, in March, Lewitt, told the news site, Politico, that he did not forgive the loans.He said a third party, which he declined to name, took over the debt. This taking over of the debt by the mysterious party occurred in 2020, while Joe Biden was running for president.Politico also claimed that Jim Biden invoked Joe Biden's name while investing in the rural hospital chain.That has led to intense interest by Republican congressmen, hoping to uncover business links between Jim and Joe Biden."Jim Biden, he took in all these loans, he didn't pay any interest, didn't pay any principal, had no loan documentation. At what point do those loans become income, they never pay taxes on," Comer told Fox host, Sean Hannity, on Monday."And by the way, why did he get those loans? And what was he doing?" Comer asked.Another Republican member of the Oversight Committee, Texas Congressman, Pat Fallon, told Fox on Monday that Jim Biden could "very well be" the next Biden family member to receive a presidential pardon."Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for so long about this and other things," he said._________________________________________________________________________

    I think it's going to be a bridge too far if Joe dares to pardon his brother, Jim. It's no secret that the Biden family has been very shady in their business dealings over the years. And yet, we all witnessed the public disgust recently when Joe, despite his many promises to the contrary, did indeed issue a blanket pardon covering a span of 11 years to his son Hunter. Imagine the outcry if the much lesser known brother, Jim Biden, gets the same preferential treatment. As I said, "a bridge too far".
    You seem pretty concerned about Biden and his family, but nothing concerning about Trump. Huh, weird, but I'm sure you're all about the rule of law or you're just a hypocrite as usual.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,306
    shecky said:

    Published Dec 03, 2024 at 9:32 AM ESTUpdated Dec 03, 2024 at 11:07 AM EST
    By Sean O'DriscollSenior Crime and Courts Reporter


    President Joe Biden may pardon his brother, Jim, to protect him from indictment, Republican members of the House Oversight Committee have said.

    The committee's chairman, James Comer, told Fox News on Monday that Jim Biden's loan deals were crimes and that he should be indicted, along with the president.

    "I believe two other Biden family members definitely and knowingly committed crimes. In addition to Hunter Biden, you have Jim Biden and Joe Biden," he said.

    Newsweek sought email comment from the White House and from Jim Biden's attorney on Tuesday.

    President Biden controversially pardoned his son, Hunter, just weeks before he was due to be sentenced on gun and tax crimes. He also pardoned him for any crimes from the years 2014 to 2024 inclusively— years in which he was involved in business deals with his uncle, Jim.

    Who is Jim Biden?

    Joe Biden's younger brother is a businessman who has dabbled in everything from nightclubs to insurance to hospitals.In 2022, The Washington Post described him in a profile article as a "political wild card" who had frequently used the president's name to attract investors."From the start of Joe Biden's political career, James, who is seven years younger, has also walked up to ethical lines his brother has avoided, leaving a complicated trail of business dealings and angry lawsuits," the profile states.As a young student, Jim Biden dropped out of the University of Delaware and began his investment career. In 1972, he used his business skills as chief fundraiser when Joe Biden first ran for the Senate.He and Hunter Biden are close. Hunter Biden's emails, which were leaked by a laptop repair shop owner, reveal Jim Biden's willingness to share advice with his nephew."Hunter, we are cut from the same cloth," one email states. "You are a fine and yes, a gentle person. Believe it or not, I know you. Sounds corney [sic], but we both deserve to enjoy the moment. Concentrate on the good in our lives and try to step out of all the bulls*** you deal with on a minute to minute basis."Jim and Hunter Biden were working on a deal with Chinese executives at the time and have worked on other foreign deals together through the years.

    What is Jim Biden Accused Of?

    Republicans say that Jim Biden traded on his brother's name to take out loans and never repaid them.In February, Jim Biden told a joint hearing by the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees that he did not take out any improper loans.He told the committees on February 21 that fund manager Michael Lewitt wrote off $225,000 in loans to his firm when he was investing in a rural hospital chain.However, in March, Lewitt, told the news site, Politico, that he did not forgive the loans.He said a third party, which he declined to name, took over the debt. This taking over of the debt by the mysterious party occurred in 2020, while Joe Biden was running for president.Politico also claimed that Jim Biden invoked Joe Biden's name while investing in the rural hospital chain.That has led to intense interest by Republican congressmen, hoping to uncover business links between Jim and Joe Biden."Jim Biden, he took in all these loans, he didn't pay any interest, didn't pay any principal, had no loan documentation. At what point do those loans become income, they never pay taxes on," Comer told Fox host, Sean Hannity, on Monday."And by the way, why did he get those loans? And what was he doing?" Comer asked.Another Republican member of the Oversight Committee, Texas Congressman, Pat Fallon, told Fox on Monday that Jim Biden could "very well be" the next Biden family member to receive a presidential pardon."Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for so long about this and other things," he said._________________________________________________________________________

    I think it's going to be a bridge too far if Joe dares to pardon his brother, Jim. It's no secret that the Biden family has been very shady in their business dealings over the years. And yet, we all witnessed the public disgust recently when Joe, despite his many promises to the contrary, did indeed issue a blanket pardon covering a span of 11 years to his son Hunter. Imagine the outcry if the much lesser known brother, Jim Biden, gets the same preferential treatment. As I said, "a bridge too far".
    I look forward to Brandon pardoning his brother Jim, Sheck. POOTWH had DOJ for 4 years and didn't bring charges but seeing how he lost to Brandon, gotta exact his revenge. Pardons all around. WGAF?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
    How many rounds of investigations based on a political grievance should a private citizen have to endure?
    I don't know.  Don't feel sorry for someone that gets his dead brother's widow hooked on drugs.  
    No one asked you to… pretend you’ve never heard the name Biden and consider the question objectively. For how many years should a private citizen be investigated based on a political grudge against one of their relatives? 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,901
    Good pardon everyone! Fuck the crying masses what are they going to do Jail the old man 😂 he has just as much immunity as the convict rapist 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    shecky said:

    Published Dec 03, 2024 at 9:32 AM ESTUpdated Dec 03, 2024 at 11:07 AM EST
    By Sean O'DriscollSenior Crime and Courts Reporter


    President Joe Biden may pardon his brother, Jim, to protect him from indictment, Republican members of the House Oversight Committee have said.

    The committee's chairman, James Comer, told Fox News on Monday that Jim Biden's loan deals were crimes and that he should be indicted, along with the president.

    "I believe two other Biden family members definitely and knowingly committed crimes. In addition to Hunter Biden, you have Jim Biden and Joe Biden," he said.

    Newsweek sought email comment from the White House and from Jim Biden's attorney on Tuesday.

    President Biden controversially pardoned his son, Hunter, just weeks before he was due to be sentenced on gun and tax crimes. He also pardoned him for any crimes from the years 2014 to 2024 inclusively— years in which he was involved in business deals with his uncle, Jim.

    Who is Jim Biden?

    Joe Biden's younger brother is a businessman who has dabbled in everything from nightclubs to insurance to hospitals.In 2022, The Washington Post described him in a profile article as a "political wild card" who had frequently used the president's name to attract investors."From the start of Joe Biden's political career, James, who is seven years younger, has also walked up to ethical lines his brother has avoided, leaving a complicated trail of business dealings and angry lawsuits," the profile states.As a young student, Jim Biden dropped out of the University of Delaware and began his investment career. In 1972, he used his business skills as chief fundraiser when Joe Biden first ran for the Senate.He and Hunter Biden are close. Hunter Biden's emails, which were leaked by a laptop repair shop owner, reveal Jim Biden's willingness to share advice with his nephew."Hunter, we are cut from the same cloth," one email states. "You are a fine and yes, a gentle person. Believe it or not, I know you. Sounds corney [sic], but we both deserve to enjoy the moment. Concentrate on the good in our lives and try to step out of all the bulls*** you deal with on a minute to minute basis."Jim and Hunter Biden were working on a deal with Chinese executives at the time and have worked on other foreign deals together through the years.

    What is Jim Biden Accused Of?

    Republicans say that Jim Biden traded on his brother's name to take out loans and never repaid them.In February, Jim Biden told a joint hearing by the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees that he did not take out any improper loans.He told the committees on February 21 that fund manager Michael Lewitt wrote off $225,000 in loans to his firm when he was investing in a rural hospital chain.However, in March, Lewitt, told the news site, Politico, that he did not forgive the loans.He said a third party, which he declined to name, took over the debt. This taking over of the debt by the mysterious party occurred in 2020, while Joe Biden was running for president.Politico also claimed that Jim Biden invoked Joe Biden's name while investing in the rural hospital chain.That has led to intense interest by Republican congressmen, hoping to uncover business links between Jim and Joe Biden."Jim Biden, he took in all these loans, he didn't pay any interest, didn't pay any principal, had no loan documentation. At what point do those loans become income, they never pay taxes on," Comer told Fox host, Sean Hannity, on Monday."And by the way, why did he get those loans? And what was he doing?" Comer asked.Another Republican member of the Oversight Committee, Texas Congressman, Pat Fallon, told Fox on Monday that Jim Biden could "very well be" the next Biden family member to receive a presidential pardon."Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for so long about this and other things," he said._________________________________________________________________________

    I think it's going to be a bridge too far if Joe dares to pardon his brother, Jim. It's no secret that the Biden family has been very shady in their business dealings over the years. And yet, we all witnessed the public disgust recently when Joe, despite his many promises to the contrary, did indeed issue a blanket pardon covering a span of 11 years to his son Hunter. Imagine the outcry if the much lesser known brother, Jim Biden, gets the same preferential treatment. As I said, "a bridge too far".
    If the loan was forgiven, then there is an obligation on the lender to report the forgiveness so a 1099 may be issued.  But you knew that.  

    You know how many people are criminally prosecuted and go to jail for not paying, as income, loan forgiveness?  I'm guessing just about zero.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    It can be complicated but loan forgiveness isn't taxable to an individual if you are insolvent. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,306
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    Oh, I bet the fauxrage talking heads are exploding this morning. Just fauxraged, never seen anything like it! We might not have a country by 1/20.

    Biden commutes nearly 1,500 sentences in ‘largest single-day grant of clemency’

    President Joe Biden announced he will commute the sentences of close to 1,500 people on home confinement and will pardon 39 convicted of nonviolent crimes.

    Meanwhile, back the blue:

    DOJ moves to prevent child sex abuse by school police after Post investigation

    New Justice Department guidelines call for training and policies to protect students from predatory school cops

    The Justice Department issued new guidelines Thursday on preventing school police from sexually abusing students, a first-of-its-kind effort to create safeguards around cops with immense access to children.


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    It can be complicated but loan forgiveness isn't taxable to an individual if you are insolvent. 
    That's interesting.  I didn't realize you could escape federal obligations like that.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    mrussel1 said:
    It can be complicated but loan forgiveness isn't taxable to an individual if you are insolvent. 
    That's interesting.  I didn't realize you could escape federal obligations like that.  
    Yeah there is an insolvency worksheet that you are supposed to include with your tax return to show the IRS how you are exempting the 1099-C income.

    When debt is forgiven on a business it's a different story. But if these were personal loans then the income wouldn't be taxable if insolvent...assuming the loans weren't used to fund business losses, etc. It can get pretty convoluted. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,916
    Good pardon everyone! Fuck the crying masses what are they going to do Jail the old man 😂 he has just as much immunity as the convict rapist 
    As part of a prisoner-swap, he just pardoned a Chinese man that was convicted of possession child porn (including video of infants and toddlers being raped) when he lived in Texas because apparently he’s “connected to influential members of the Communist party in China.” 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Good pardon everyone! Fuck the crying masses what are they going to do Jail the old man 😂 he has just as much immunity as the convict rapist 
    As part of a prisoner-swap, he just pardoned a Chinese man that was convicted of possession child porn (including video of infants and toddlers being raped) when he lived in Texas because apparently he’s “connected to influential members of the Communist party in China.” 
    So he’s freed up for a spot on Trump’s cabinet then? 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Good pardon everyone! Fuck the crying masses what are they going to do Jail the old man 😂 he has just as much immunity as the convict rapist 
    As part of a prisoner-swap, he just pardoned a Chinese man that was convicted of possession child porn (including video of infants and toddlers being raped) when he lived in Texas because apparently he’s “connected to influential members of the Communist party in China.” 
    Well, they freed 3 Americans and Jin has to leave and remain outside the US indefinitely. These prisoners swaps are never ideal, but I'd take this as a win.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    Good pardon everyone! Fuck the crying masses what are they going to do Jail the old man 😂 he has just as much immunity as the convict rapist 
    As part of a prisoner-swap, he just pardoned a Chinese man that was convicted of possession child porn (including video of infants and toddlers being raped) when he lived in Texas because apparently he’s “connected to influential members of the Communist party in China.” 
    We don’t take political prisoners so anyone involved in a swap is going to have serious felonies. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,916
    Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

    Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

    “Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

    I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

    This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

    Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,285
    Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

    Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

    “Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

    I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

    This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

    Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News


    That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

    And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

    Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

    “Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

    I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

    This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

    Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

    I thought he had been released to home detention since 2020 and he’s an elderly man now. Isn’t that the case?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,916
    brianlux said:
    Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

    Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

    “Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

    I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

    This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

    Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News


    That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

    And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.
    If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,038
    brianlux said:
    Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

    Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

    “Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

    I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

    This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

    Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News


    That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

    And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.
    If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

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    Hitler was named the same...it's about impact, not greatness.

    I personally think it should have been co-president-elect Musk. His deep dive into Twitter/X nonsense drove us here. Then again, save him for 2025.
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    shecky said:

    You love the two hand job dance 🤣 I’m sure you’ve practiced it at home in front of your mirror be honest you know you have 😂
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    shecky said:

    That CAN'T be the picture they're using, is it?  But hey, check this out.  See if you can pick out a pattern:

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    Got the pattern yet?
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,038

    Biden commutes sentence of official who stole $53M from small Illinois town, sparking outrage

    Biden commutes sentence of former Dixon, Illinois, comptroller Rita Crundwell, convicted in largest municipal embezzlement in US history                                                                                                  

    By Breck Dumas FOXBusiness

    President Biden made history on Thursday when he commuted the jail sentences of nearly 1,500 people and granted 49 pardons, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in modern history.

    In the sweeping move, Biden shaved years off the sentence of the person convicted in the largest municipal embezzlement in U.S. history, angering the current leaders of the small town she stole from.

    Included in the list of inmates Biden released who had been placed under home confinement during the COVID-19 pandemic was Rita Crundwell, the former comptroller of Dixon, Illinois, who was convicted in 2013 and sentenced to nearly 20 years behind bars for stealing nearly $54 million from the town of 15,000 people over two decades.

    Crundwell, now 71, admitted to embezzling from the city of Dixon during her time as comptroller, using the stolen funds to support a lavish lifestyle, which included bankrolling her horse breeding operation, purchasing real estate, and buying more than four dozen vehicles and a luxury motor home.

    Crundwell was set to serve out 85% of her sentence, which would have kept her in prison until Oct. 20, 2029, according to CBS News. But she was released on house arrest early on Aug. 4, 2021, where she remained until Biden commuted her sentence this week.

    "The City of Dixon is shocked and outraged with the announcement that President Biden has given Rita Crundwell clemency for the largest municipal embezzlement in the history of our country," current Dixon City Manager Danny Langlossa said in a statement reacting to Biden's commutation of Crundwell's sentence. "This is a complete travesty of justice and a slap in the face for our entire community."

    "While today's news is unimaginable, the City of Dixon is in an incredible place today," Langlossa added. "We will continue to focus on the future and work to capitalize on the momentum we have created."

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