#46 President Joe Biden

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    On another note.  Are you guys not embarrassed by this?  
    Why would an elderly man I don’t know embarrass me with his hair? 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    On another note.  Are you guys not embarrassed by this?  
    Said another way, we don't identify and deify the (former) leader of our party like you do yours.  When we make fun of Trump's hair, we are making fun of Trump. Not you.  It appears that you think you're making fun of us because of Biden's hair.  That's just weird. 
  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,077
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    Preemptive pardon = Guilty as hell 
    What did the General do? You just called him guilty so this should be easy to answer. 
    #1 on my list is he called China’s military behind the President’s back and said he would not attack them if given the order by the President.  That’s effectively a military coup.  In summary he conspired with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army to undermine the sitting US President.  Treason
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    Preemptive pardon = Guilty as hell 
    What did the General do? You just called him guilty so this should be easy to answer. 
    #1 on my list is he called China’s military behind the President’s back and said he would not attack them if given the order by the President.  That’s effectively a military coup.  In summary he conspired with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army to undermine the sitting US President.  Treason
    You understand (of course you don't) that treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution.  It is defined as "as levying war against the United States, or giving "aid or comfort" to an enemy".  

    Further, US statute defines Enemy as any nation at war with the US (only Congress can declare war) and another code defines it as a country engaged in hostilities against the US.  

    Therefore the only way one can commit treason is if we are at war, as declared by congress or in active hostilities.  Neither is true of the US and China.  They are one of our largest trading partners.  The law is a bitch isn't it?   Keeps getting in the way of right wing propaganda.  
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    we could both say the "hoops people are jumping through for this". To us it's pretty simple. To you it's pretty simple. We acknowledge there's no way to know his initial intentions. You folks, however, are arrogant enough to believe you know what his original intentions were. 

    Even if he "lied" and his intent all along was to pardon him, I still say I'd do the same thing. Fuck my legacy. If I have the power to save my kid, I do it. I honestly don't agree with throwing junkies in prison anyway, especially for a crime against the state, not a person. 

    Definitely that last part...I think everyone here and elsewhere would to protect family under direct and repeated threats. For anyone to deny that sounds absurd.

    Let's assume for a second he was being honest both in refusal and granting of the pardon, and significant and unprecedented threats were waged against him and his family repeatedly during the campaign, it's a fact circumstances changed. Which by fact means that he was being honest before and after the pardon.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749


    Jill hasn’t looked at Joe like this since she was his babysitter.


    Looks like she is dropping a duece, and trying to figure out how to get it on him.
  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,077


    Jill hasn’t looked at Joe like this since she was his babysitter.


    Looks like she is dropping a duece, and trying to figure out how to get it on him.
    😂 That is a possibility for sure.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,285
    On another note.  Are you guys not embarrassed by this?  

    I look worse than that when I first get up in the morning.  Shall I take a selfie for you to make fun of, youngster?  
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    I've changed my tune on the pardon. The moment Patel was put into the ring for FBI is the moment the whole "going after Trumps enemies" thing became all but official. Fuck it, Joe; go against the norms and make up your own rules like they do all the time. I wish MAGA -suckup Dems like Dean Phillips would start making up their own rules once in a while.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,819
    OnWis97 said:
    I've changed my tune on the pardon. The moment Patel was put into the ring for FBI is the moment the whole "going after Trumps enemies" thing became all but official. Fuck it, Joe; go against the norms and make up your own rules like they do all the time. I wish MAGA -suckup Dems like Dean Phillips would start making up their own rules once in a while.
    There is a long history of presidents giving preemptive pardons.
    Im all for it 
    What are they going to do to him if he does it?

    Fdjt45
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    OnWis97 said:
    I've changed my tune on the pardon. The moment Patel was put into the ring for FBI is the moment the whole "going after Trumps enemies" thing became all but official. Fuck it, Joe; go against the norms and make up your own rules like they do all the time. I wish MAGA -suckup Dems like Dean Phillips would start making up their own rules once in a while.
    There is a long history of presidents giving preemptive pardons.
    Im all for it 
    What are they going to do to him if he does it?

    Fdjt45
    Dude!  You can’t say that!  You’re disrespecting the presidency and America!  Man these right wing posters are right. You hate America 
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    Enjoyed Jon Stewart's take:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BcIHPMAHw

    Most people know he lied.  They aren't doing the mental gymnastics.   If he was concerned about more prosecutions, why not leave the current crimes he was convicted of, and pardon any unprosecuted crimes?  I assume that would be possible.    
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,337
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    edited December 10
    If I'm Biden, I'm doing the same thing. Fuck playing by the "rules" - the very rules that the GOP shits on at every turn.

    The Kash Patel announcement changes everything. It's going to be a revenge tour. Hunter would have died in prison. (Still may)
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    At a minimum actions like what he has called for would result in massive civil rights lawsuits/settlements that the US taxpayer will end up footing the bill for.

    Schiff has said that he doesn't want a pardon. Basically a "bring it on" attitude. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    At a minimum actions like what he has called for would result in massive civil rights lawsuits/settlements that the US taxpayer will end up footing the bill for.

    Schiff has said that he doesn't want a pardon. Basically a "bring it on" attitude. 
    I don't like the idea of preemptive pardons because it's all BS talk right now anyway. They've been saying this for years and convicted no one for any wrong doing that held office. Let them waste tax dollars grandstanding so the low IQ voters get a chuckle out of the misguided accusations instead of feed the conspiracy theorists.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    It's funny to see that trump's DOJ overreached and reviewed info on Kash Patel during that big sweep for leaks. More to come over the next four years. 

    What a fucking clown show.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    tbergs said:
    At a minimum actions like what he has called for would result in massive civil rights lawsuits/settlements that the US taxpayer will end up footing the bill for.

    Schiff has said that he doesn't want a pardon. Basically a "bring it on" attitude. 
    I don't like the idea of preemptive pardons because it's all BS talk right now anyway. They've been saying this for years and convicted no one for any wrong doing that held office. Let them waste tax dollars grandstanding so the low IQ voters get a chuckle out of the misguided accusations instead of feed the conspiracy theorists.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,337
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    I’ve said several times he could have very well lied. My position is I don’t know, so in the absence of evidence, not guilty. 

    You’re right, if it was Trump I’d 100% say he’s a liar. That’s 2 parts bias and 8 parts knowledge of the POS person he is that we know lies compulsively. 

    He does himself no favours. If he said the sky was blue I’d look up to make sure. 

     
    It’s not a partisan thing either, btw. I would gove the benefit if the doubt to a good portion of republicans based on context and history. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    In other words

    "When someone tells you who they are, believe them"

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    Preemptive pardon = Guilty as hell 
    What did the General do? You just called him guilty so this should be easy to answer. 
    #1 on my list is he called China’s military behind the President’s back and said he would not attack them if given the order by the President.  That’s effectively a military coup.  In summary he conspired with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army to undermine the sitting US President.  Treason
    the call was ordered by Esper...and I don't think that is what he said
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    edited December 11
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,233
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
    How many rounds of investigations based on a political grievance should a private citizen have to endure?
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    “Know he lied”. 

    So when he said he’d be a transitional president, then announced later he was running for a second term, was it a lie, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    When he said he wasn’t dropping out of the race, then dropped out, was he a liar, or did he change his mind based on changing circumstances? 

    It’s not semantics to know the difference between lying and changing your mind. 

    It’s not mental gymnastics to know you don’t know a person’s intent in the absence of one shred of evidence either way. 

    The funny thing is, all those claiming to know his original intent regarding Hunter, I don’t recall one single post at the time saying they didn’t believe him, or anyone calling him a liar. 

    That and the fact that the “mental gymnasts” just don’t really give a fuck. 
    Can you at least entertain the thought that he lied?   Is it so strange to believe that a politician lied, or that people would think someone lied when someone does something they said they wouldn't do multiple times?     If this was Trump, you'd say he was a liar.  Just accept that you have biases like everyone does.
    can you entertain the thought that he didn't?

    or at least acknowledge "facts on the ground" changed with the election.
    He very well could have changed his mind.  But it is convenient that he changed his mind after it politically did no harm to him.  I am not a legal expert, but I gotta think that Biden could have narrowed the pardon and left the convictions in place that the facts did not change on.  

    He and the media got a lot of mileage out of saying there would be no pardon.  Look at us, we have such integrity and respect the rule of law.  Election lost.  Pardon done.

    he was done in July. yet it didnt happen until after statements made by the sycophant class in fucksticks orbit AFTER the election. Comer saying more investigations (reminder the sp counsel also charged comers star witness in the hearings)
    But the original investigations led to convictions.  And Biden said he respected the decisions and rule of law. 

    So who is to say the next round of inquiry wouldn’t lead to actual convictions?    Shouldn’t the rule of law still be priority?  

    I get it.  Biden has the right to do it.  Just think he knew he was going to pardon him all along.  
    How many rounds of investigations based on a political grievance should a private citizen have to endure?
    exactly...trump was on MTP saying that the J6 committee members should "go to jail"...if Biden said that about the people looking at Hunter's shit the magats would lose their minds
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