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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,225
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    maga broke twitter last night with their crying.

    also charlie kirk called the speech "hitlerian", lol.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,070
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    maga broke twitter last night with their crying.

    also charlie kirk called the speech "hitlerian", lol.
    Everything is a projection.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 33,221
    that's a lot better than "knock the crap out of em, wouldja?". 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,575
    After Labor Day check in. Still historically bad, but he's gone up 5.5% since mid July. I think that is a significant shift. Currently higher than Trump, Clinton, Reagan, and Carter. Might have a shot at catching Barry by November-- but so much shit can happen between now and then. 

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,194
    I think Biden had an usually successful summer.  Plus the Roe issue blows up all the models. Now Ukraine knocking out Russia or just generally peace would be the icing.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mrussel1 said:
    I think Biden had an usually successful summer.  Plus the Roe issue blows up all the models. Now Ukraine knocking out Russia or just generally peace would be the icing.
    Kicking ass in the summer is just bad politics. Even TV shows are in reruns. No one cares 😂

    this needed to be timed better 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,575
    Yeah it is interesting. Other than HW (because of the The War in The Gulf Part One), he appears to be the only president to see his numbers increase in the summer leading up to the mid terms. Such a strange time we live in, for sure. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,070
    It’s all about the mid-terms and giving Dems something to run on, delivering, and contrasting themselves from the repubs and their policy of “no.”
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,225
    Hi! said:

    let's see how many of us grovel over and worship those paintings vs how many people come out and say trump's portrait is the greatest painting since the sistine chapel.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,070
    Hi! said:

    let's see how many of us grovel over and worship those paintings vs how many people come out and say trump's portrait is the greatest painting since the sistine chapel.
    Greatest painting to that other great painting of a great but inferior President George Washington, painted by Gilbert Stuart. Many people have said.
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    Hi! said:

    let's see how many of us grovel over and worship those paintings vs how many people come out and say trump's portrait is the greatest painting since the sistine chapel.
    this one ?


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,747
    Hi! said:

    let's see how many of us grovel over and worship those paintings vs how many people come out and say trump's portrait is the greatest painting since the sistine chapel.
    this one ?



    thats fucking great.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 14,358
    mickeyrat said:
    Hi! said:

    let's see how many of us grovel over and worship those paintings vs how many people come out and say trump's portrait is the greatest painting since the sistine chapel.
    this one ?



    thats fucking great.
    "A perfect painting"
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,747
    guess Dark Brandon strikes again eh?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,179
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
  • mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Check Heather Cox Richardson’s post from yesterday. Sums it up quite well. They haven’t stopped and they’re not going away.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    You assumed violence, so you tell me...

    You said the following in the thread about the DOJ going after trump and specifically cited January 6th when doing so:  

    "We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that." 

    If anything, I think the fallout from January 6th is going to DETER many people from violence. Those rubes have been abandoned by their dear leader... a lot of people who may have been willing to step up before that, will have second thoughts after the way that shook out. 

    I have no doubt the elections are going to be ugly, and I'm very concerned about how that will go down. If Republicans win in November. I think we're f'ed.

    I feel very strongly that there WILL be violence by some crazies out there, but as far as 'assuming a violent uprising', I would defer to the people handwringing over "millions of crazies with guns who would happily pull the trigger over this" to answer your question. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,194
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Cannon would not be the trial judge.  Plus, one should still expect the DOJ to appeal the special master ruling. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,296
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Cannon would not be the trial judge.  Plus, one should still expect the DOJ to appeal the special master ruling. 
    I think they have already.

    If this goes to Scotus all bets are off.

    How the fuck anyone appointed by Trump can preside over his case is beyond me. Banana Republic type stuff.
  • dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Cannon would not be the trial judge.  Plus, one should still expect the DOJ to appeal the special master ruling. 
    I think they have already.

    If this goes to Scotus all bets are off.

    How the fuck anyone appointed by Trump can preside over his case is beyond me. Banana Republic type stuff.
    True that. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,194
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Cannon would not be the trial judge.  Plus, one should still expect the DOJ to appeal the special master ruling. 
    I think they have already.

    If this goes to Scotus all bets are off.

    How the fuck anyone appointed by Trump can preside over his case is beyond me. Banana Republic type stuff.
     I don't know.  A judge should be impartial.  I'm not sure why a judge, after receiving a lifetime appointment, would feel an allegiance to an ex president.  Hundreds of federal judges and magistrates are appointed every term.  To say that the SCOTUS judges that were appointed by Trump can't hear a case about Trump would not work.  If the DOJ is the plaintiff, does that mean Kentaji Brown Jackson can't hear is because she's biased toward the Biden DOJ?  Where does that mindset end?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,747
    mickeyrat said:
    guess Dark Brandon strikes again eh?


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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,179
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    You assumed violence, so you tell me...

    You said the following in the thread about the DOJ going after trump and specifically cited January 6th when doing so:  

    "We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that." 

    If anything, I think the fallout from January 6th is going to DETER many people from violence. Those rubes have been abandoned by their dear leader... a lot of people who may have been willing to step up before that, will have second thoughts after the way that shook out. 

    I have no doubt the elections are going to be ugly, and I'm very concerned about how that will go down. If Republicans win in November. I think we're f'ed.

    I feel very strongly that there WILL be violence by some crazies out there, but as far as 'assuming a violent uprising', I would defer to the people handwringing over "millions of crazies with guns who would happily pull the trigger over this" to answer your question. 

    It could be violent but it does not have to be in order for the rights to assume control of this federation. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,179
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    Cannon would not be the trial judge.  Plus, one should still expect the DOJ to appeal the special master ruling. 
    I think they have already.

    If this goes to Scotus all bets are off.

    How the fuck anyone appointed by Trump can preside over his case is beyond me. Banana Republic type stuff.
     I don't know.  A judge should be impartial.  I'm not sure why a judge, after receiving a lifetime appointment, would feel an allegiance to an ex president.  Hundreds of federal judges and magistrates are appointed every term.  To say that the SCOTUS judges that were appointed by Trump can't hear a case about Trump would not work.  If the DOJ is the plaintiff, does that mean Kentaji Brown Jackson can't hear is because she's biased toward the Biden DOJ?  Where does that mindset end?


    In Cannon’s mind, sure, I bet she believes she is impartial, but does that really matter? We all believe we all believe, and she certainly believes in trump. She is literally, without bothering to cite precedent or constitutional reference, making shit up. Other judges start taking cues, look out, this will just be the beginning. And the recent scotus aggressions certainly are discomforting.

    I am not a lawyer but have watched plenty on the tele this week say what she did is unprecedented. And to my earlier point, imo it doesn’t matter that she wouldn’t be the trial judge. She made a bold ruling, stood up to a powerfully worded filing from the DOJ specifically calling her out with explanations and legal precedent and references, and she did not blink. And is now significantly slowing down a criminal investigation. I bet every defendant in America would like that treatment, and every conservative judge is taking notice.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,579
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    You assumed violence, so you tell me...

    You said the following in the thread about the DOJ going after trump and specifically cited January 6th when doing so:  

    "We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that." 

    If anything, I think the fallout from January 6th is going to DETER many people from violence. Those rubes have been abandoned by their dear leader... a lot of people who may have been willing to step up before that, will have second thoughts after the way that shook out. 

    I have no doubt the elections are going to be ugly, and I'm very concerned about how that will go down. If Republicans win in November. I think we're f'ed.

    I feel very strongly that there WILL be violence by some crazies out there, but as far as 'assuming a violent uprising', I would defer to the people handwringing over "millions of crazies with guns who would happily pull the trigger over this" to answer your question. 
    How is Jan 6 proof of that? Not 1 shot was fired by a rioter from what I heard. So I don't see the jump to saying that's proof that millions are just trigger happy crazies when not one of them pulled a trigger that day.
    I think Jan 6 was an illegal riot, that they had no right to breach the capitol like that. But there just isn't any evidence to say they are all gun crazy trigger happy people. I also believe they weren't trying to over take anything, it was too poorly organized and executed. They just wanted to stir up thing and create chaos, which they did. You can't take over a government by acting crazy inside a capitol. 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited September 19
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    .I was expecting more MAGA fallout from the speech.  I haven't looked to closely at any right wing media today, but it seems like the response to being called out is pretty tame

    No war has started? Strange...
    I was told there would be massive riots & bloodshed in his name… 




    Revisiting the national security/democracy issue, why are moderates assuming the uprising would be violent like Jan 6?

    The "war" has been full speed ahead since 2021 and has been nonviolent. 


    J6 failed because the laws and key officials were not in place to overturn an election in 2020, as the laws and 60 court rulings stepping in the way

    However, The GOP has been hard at work since, changing state voting and election administration laws. And "Trump judges" look to be emboldened now. This Cannon ruling getting in the way of a criminal investigation is chilling. As is the upcoming scotus case regarding the independent legislature theory.

    Will the left sit by peacefully if scotus were to "pull a Cannon" regarding an election dispute?
    You assumed violence, so you tell me...

    You said the following in the thread about the DOJ going after trump and specifically cited January 6th when doing so:  

    "We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that." 

    If anything, I think the fallout from January 6th is going to DETER many people from violence. Those rubes have been abandoned by their dear leader... a lot of people who may have been willing to step up before that, will have second thoughts after the way that shook out. 

    I have no doubt the elections are going to be ugly, and I'm very concerned about how that will go down. If Republicans win in November. I think we're f'ed.

    I feel very strongly that there WILL be violence by some crazies out there, but as far as 'assuming a violent uprising', I would defer to the people handwringing over "millions of crazies with guns who would happily pull the trigger over this" to answer your question. 
    How is Jan 6 proof of that? Not 1 shot was fired by a rioter from what I heard. So I don't see the jump to saying that's proof that millions are just trigger happy crazies when not one of them pulled a trigger that day.
    I think Jan 6 was an illegal riot, that they had no right to breach the capitol like that. But there just isn't any evidence to say they are all gun crazy trigger happy people. I also believe they weren't trying to over take anything, it was too poorly organized and executed. They just wanted to stir up thing and create chaos, which they did. You can't take over a government by acting crazy inside a capitol. 
    It’s about entitlement.  They thought they would be allowed to do that first of all, and secondly they thought that was their right to do that.

    guns or not that’s a disturbing mentality. Armed standoffs with the government based on no justification has been going on for years. There are many examples of that or blowing up federal buildings, trying to kidnap a sitting governor.The people doing all that have millions of supporters. Storming the capital are those same like minded types of people.

    all the false comparisons to the chaos of the BLM protests which did get out of hand in many instances, not one of those attempted to overthrow the government. Preventing a certification of a vote is a coup attempt. “ a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.” it wasn’t successful but that doesn’t change what it was 

    not all riots are the same. Rioting on Main Street and rioting inside congress are vastly different as were the goals 

    jan 6 rioters would do it all again happily. Next time they will just be angrier if they lose again 

    violence is inevitable when a bunch of Karen’s don’t get their way 
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