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  • CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  

    Yeah, but they were all people who had to hold down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet

    Now they're just down to 1 job and side-hustle to put food on the table
    That's fair if that is how it was assessed.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,479
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  

    Yeah, but they were all people who had to hold down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet

    Now they're just down to 1 job and side-hustle to put food on the table
    That's fair if that is how it was assessed.

    that child credit payment is helping alot of people....
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  • mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  

    Yeah, but they were all people who had to hold down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet

    Now they're just down to 1 job and side-hustle to put food on the table
    That's fair if that is how it was assessed.

    that child credit payment is helping alot of people....
    No kids so I don't get any relief...

    Real talk.  If the getting is good for the worker now and all of these lower paying jobs are unfulfilled, should we open up the flood gates to new immigrants to take them or hold steady and see if the ship corrects itself?
  • How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  
    Voluntarily left to work a better job, work one job or not at all. They chose to leave on their terms, not laid off. Economy allows them. Those poor companies paying and treating people like crap. I really feel for them.
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  • How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  
    Voluntarily left to work a better job, work one job or not at all. They chose to leave on their terms, not laid off. Economy allows them. Those poor companies paying and treating people like crap. I really feel for them.
    It was answered above and I am all for it actually.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,479
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  

    Yeah, but they were all people who had to hold down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet

    Now they're just down to 1 job and side-hustle to put food on the table
    That's fair if that is how it was assessed.

    that child credit payment is helping alot of people....
    No kids so I don't get any relief...

    Real talk.  If the getting is good for the worker now and all of these lower paying jobs are unfulfilled, should we open up the flood gates to new immigrants to take them or hold steady and see if the ship corrects itself?

    immigration reform is critical.increase the numbers allowed in by policy/law and   include those here already. both asylum seekers and those who have overstayed their visas.

    straight border jumpers are already working or are caught and in process for deportation.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Didn't 4,00,000 people quit and walk off their jobs though?  

    Yeah, but they were all people who had to hold down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet

    Now they're just down to 1 job and side-hustle to put food on the table
    That's fair if that is how it was assessed.

    that child credit payment is helping alot of people....
    No kids so I don't get any relief...

    Real talk.  If the getting is good for the worker now and all of these lower paying jobs are unfulfilled, should we open up the flood gates to new immigrants to take them or hold steady and see if the ship corrects itself?

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,878
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 
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  • How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 
    They oughta be lifting those damn containers off those damn ships and unclogging our ports, I tell ya! Need my Christmas crap from China!
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
  • How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 
    If it's 4 days a week I'm good w that.
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    edited November 2021
    mcgruff10 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


    Not sure where I said that I expected new roads and bridges to instantaneously materialize, maybe you can enlighten me?   As far as celebrating the signing of a bill, sorry that's not for me.  We have no proof yet that this doesn't become a wasteful spending bill vs a bill that delivers results.  It could still go either way once the funds start getting disbursed. I'm cautiously hopeful.  If we don't see any progress besides money being spent it will play into the "Democrats just want to spend your money" narrative.  Celebrating this is like slow walking to the endzone and getting creamed before the touchdown.  When asphalt  and steel columns, beams, rails, new electrical grids start getting put down I will be celebrating just as much as the next guy.  

    I signed the infrastructure bill doesn't get votes if people don't see the work getting done.  I know for some Yellow Dogs on here the he's not Trump or whatever is enough, but for most people spending that kind of money and not seeing results is a big deal.  In 2-3 years when there is proof that this money is going to infrastructure I will celebrate and say Biden got it done.  
    lol

    Some people will just never be satisfied I guess. 
    Like I said, when people start getting paid to tear up old roads, grade new ones and dig up pipes with minimal waste spending I will be happy.  That's what is promised in this bill right?  I don't think that is a large ask before I decide to be happy with the bill.
    Damn those fools in the 60's for celebrating the Civil Rights Act before bathrooms were actually physically desegregated. 

    By your reasoning literally nothing a president does should be celebrated in real time. Illogical. But go ahead man, get excited in 2025. lol
    Civil rights bill became law immediately.  Infrastructure is a spending package, hardly the same thing.
    literally almost nothing changed overnight with civil rights. 
    This would be true.  Ten years after Brown v BOE more than 3/4 of public schools in the south were still segregated.   
    Don't forget Boston. Alabama desegregated before Boston.


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,878
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 

    (retired people don't count toward unemployment rate)


  • CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 
    We discussed the 700K dead.  Most were older or retired.

    I am for the lack of workforce though.  It gives the power to the workers and that is a good thing.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,878
    CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 
    We discussed the 700K dead.  Most were older or retired.

    I am for the lack of workforce though.  It gives the power to the workers and that is a good thing.
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  • jpgoegeljpgoegel Posts: 412
    dankind said:
    Don't forget Boston. Alabama desegregated before Boston.


    Did you see the dude from here in MA from sometime recently.   It's always been hidden in plain sight here, sadly.


  • CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 
    We discussed the 700K dead.  Most were older or retired.

    I am for the lack of workforce though.  It gives the power to the workers and that is a good thing.
    It’s not just the dead. It’s folks who contracted covid, survived and have permanent, long term disabilities. Can’t walk a flight of stairs without stopping, constant pain, etc. Those are majority working age. How many of those were/are employers, business owners?
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  • CM189191 said:
    How about President Biden’s job creation, eh? Summer job numbers revised upward by 626,000. The link is prior to today’s announcement. Go Brandon go is fucking A right!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html
    Stop. We cannot be happy about the great jobs numbers until every single person (man, woman and child) is working 10 hours a day. 

    lol

    This is what bugs me about the unemployment discussion.  How much unemployment is the 'right' amount?

    Unemployment comes in multiple forms: cyclical, structural, and frictional.  And it's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.

    There's many ways that unemployment can be good.
    For example, if people can afford to take time off to find a job they like more. 
    Or if technology replaces workers to make a business more efficient (is this good or bad?). 
    Or if competition causes one company to succeed, while another company fails and has to lay off it's staff (good or bad?)
    Another thing to consider right now is that over 700,000 are dead. I am sure a lot of them had jobs, right?

    Also I would assume a lot of older folks said "fuck this" and retired a few years earlier because they didn't want to deal with the health issues of going back into the office or were unable to adjust to working from home. 

    Either way, the jobs numbers this year are damn impressive. 
    We discussed the 700K dead.  Most were older or retired.

    I am for the lack of workforce though.  It gives the power to the workers and that is a good thing.
    It’s not just the dead. It’s folks who contracted covid, survived and have permanent, long term disabilities. Can’t walk a flight of stairs without stopping, constant pain, etc. Those are majority working age. How many of those were/are employers, business owners?
     Good point.

    If they were business owners then the workforce isn't effected either considering their business is gone and wouldn't need workers anymore though.

    Can anyone find the number of people w long-term Covid effects that aren't working?  Is there such a chart?  It would be interesting to know.
  • Congressional Research Service Report on covid and unemployment but not those who contracted, survived but are unable to work. I heard an NPR MarketPlace piece that there are 1,000,000 disabled workers due to covid. I'll see if I can find it or more information regarding that type of stat.

    R46554.pdf (fas.org)
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  • Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
    FJB.  Everyone knows that diesel is the future.  


  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.

    Whoa! Inflation prices jumped 6.2% in October, the biggest inflation surge in more than 30 years. Go Brandon go!

    I saw Biden driving that $100,000 Hummer yesterday.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    JB16057 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.

    Whoa! Inflation prices jumped 6.2% in October, the biggest inflation surge in more than 30 years. Go Brandon go!

    I saw Biden driving that $100,000 Hummer yesterday.
    Just curious JB, what should Biden have done this year to prevent inflation?  What economic levers were available to him that were not pulled?
  • mrussel1 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
    FJB.  Everyone knows that diesel is the future.  


    Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh! 
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.

    Whoa! Inflation prices jumped 6.2% in October, the biggest inflation surge in more than 30 years. Go Brandon go!

    I saw Biden driving that $100,000 Hummer yesterday.
    Just curious JB, what should Biden have done this year to prevent inflation?  What economic levers were available to him that were not pulled?
    I can't begin to speak on this because I am not educated on the subject. I don't fully blame Biden for the inflation we are seeing but there had to be something that could've made a difference. The buck stops with him and the issue isn't getting better, only worse.

  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
    FJB.  Everyone knows that diesel is the future.  


    Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh! 
    My point is that Biden is driving  and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,479
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
    FJB.  Everyone knows that diesel is the future.  


    Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh! 
    My point is that Biden is driving  and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.


    how much control does any president have over gas prices?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,878
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!

    And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
    FJB.  Everyone knows that diesel is the future.  


    Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh! 
    My point is that Biden is driving  and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.


    how much control does any president have over gas prices?
    JB must have loved Bill Clinton. Gallon of gas was under a dollar during the late nineties. Something tells he didn't love Bill Clinton though...
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