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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,277
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Right, this is a perspective, not an analysis. It offers no real data and makes one very specifically false statement.  It said "The average stadium generated $145MM per year, but none of this revenue goes back into the community".  This is patently false because this leads one to believe that not one stadium in the country has any sales OR business revenue tax on tickets, beer, food, etc. We all know this isn't true.  

    And then the author talks about how the billionaire owner didn't "need it".  What they need or don't need is completely irrelevant to a financial analysis.  This is just an opinion piece. 
    Why is what a billionaire needs or doesn’t need irrelevant to a financial analysis? The more s/he has, the less they need, right? In the form of subsidies, interest rates, % of concessions, etc. it’s like Bezos, he doesn’t “need” anything in the form of subsidies to expand or build headquarters. He could, like NFL owners, pay fully out of pocket. If you or I go to a bank seeking a loan to buy or open a business, what we have and need will certainly be a part of the financial analysis.
    First, you don't make capital investment decisions based on what the contra-party needs or doesn't need.  You make them based on what you perceive the value of the investment to be.  Second, it's a question of leverage.  Now if the Vikings had no options but to stay in MN, then leverage is with the city as to how much they would/not choose to invest.  But if the Vikings could get up and leave, which most teams can, then the leverage goes to the team. Some city would pay or help the team specifically if the financial analysis shows it was a net positive tax payer investment.  

    Look simply at the Browns in 1995.  The city chose to invest in Jacobs Field and Gund Arena, leaving the Browns in old Cleveland Stadium.  Modell was going broke and Baltimore offered him $50MM plus a stadium to move there.  Cleveland had no leverage and lost the team, then spent 4 years working with the League to get a team back.  

    ... then spent 4 years with the League and getting an even shittier team back......
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Right, this is a perspective, not an analysis. It offers no real data and makes one very specifically false statement.  It said "The average stadium generated $145MM per year, but none of this revenue goes back into the community".  This is patently false because this leads one to believe that not one stadium in the country has any sales OR business revenue tax on tickets, beer, food, etc. We all know this isn't true.  

    And then the author talks about how the billionaire owner didn't "need it".  What they need or don't need is completely irrelevant to a financial analysis.  This is just an opinion piece. 
    Why is what a billionaire needs or doesn’t need irrelevant to a financial analysis? The more s/he has, the less they need, right? In the form of subsidies, interest rates, % of concessions, etc. it’s like Bezos, he doesn’t “need” anything in the form of subsidies to expand or build headquarters. He could, like NFL owners, pay fully out of pocket. If you or I go to a bank seeking a loan to buy or open a business, what we have and need will certainly be a part of the financial analysis.
    First, you don't make capital investment decisions based on what the contra-party needs or doesn't need.  You make them based on what you perceive the value of the investment to be.  Second, it's a question of leverage.  Now if the Vikings had no options but to stay in MN, then leverage is with the city as to how much they would/not choose to invest.  But if the Vikings could get up and leave, which most teams can, then the leverage goes to the team. Some city would pay or help the team specifically if the financial analysis shows it was a net positive tax payer investment.  

    Look simply at the Browns in 1995.  The city chose to invest in Jacobs Field and Gund Arena, leaving the Browns in old Cleveland Stadium.  Modell was going broke and Baltimore offered him $50MM plus a stadium to move there.  Cleveland had no leverage and lost the team, then spent 4 years working with the League to get a team back.  
    Don’t things like available capital, liquidity, collateral and other assets that an owner has come under consideration when they’re seeking financing from banks, Wall Street, private equity investment trusts, etc. and cities, states and towns impacted or asked to contribute in some manner whether its tax breaks, bonds, PILOT, etc.? Who is the you when you say “You don’t make capital investment decisions based on what the contra party needs or doesn’t need?”
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  • Show me a net positive tax payer investment in a heavily subsidized stadium. Example?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Show me a net positive tax payer investment in a heavily subsidized stadium. Example?
    I asked for an analysis.  I said I'm interested in it.  I didn't say it was a NPV positive.  I don't know if it is or isn't.  I said analysis on Olympics show it is not worth it,  but that's not really a fair comparison. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Right, this is a perspective, not an analysis. It offers no real data and makes one very specifically false statement.  It said "The average stadium generated $145MM per year, but none of this revenue goes back into the community".  This is patently false because this leads one to believe that not one stadium in the country has any sales OR business revenue tax on tickets, beer, food, etc. We all know this isn't true.  

    And then the author talks about how the billionaire owner didn't "need it".  What they need or don't need is completely irrelevant to a financial analysis.  This is just an opinion piece. 
    Why is what a billionaire needs or doesn’t need irrelevant to a financial analysis? The more s/he has, the less they need, right? In the form of subsidies, interest rates, % of concessions, etc. it’s like Bezos, he doesn’t “need” anything in the form of subsidies to expand or build headquarters. He could, like NFL owners, pay fully out of pocket. If you or I go to a bank seeking a loan to buy or open a business, what we have and need will certainly be a part of the financial analysis.
    First, you don't make capital investment decisions based on what the contra-party needs or doesn't need.  You make them based on what you perceive the value of the investment to be.  Second, it's a question of leverage.  Now if the Vikings had no options but to stay in MN, then leverage is with the city as to how much they would/not choose to invest.  But if the Vikings could get up and leave, which most teams can, then the leverage goes to the team. Some city would pay or help the team specifically if the financial analysis shows it was a net positive tax payer investment.  

    Look simply at the Browns in 1995.  The city chose to invest in Jacobs Field and Gund Arena, leaving the Browns in old Cleveland Stadium.  Modell was going broke and Baltimore offered him $50MM plus a stadium to move there.  Cleveland had no leverage and lost the team, then spent 4 years working with the League to get a team back.  
    Don’t things like available capital, liquidity, collateral and other assets that an owner has come under consideration when they’re seeking financing from banks, Wall Street, private equity investment trusts, etc. and cities, states and towns impacted or asked to contribute in some manner whether its tax breaks, bonds, PILOT, etc.? Who is the you when you say “You don’t make capital investment decisions based on what the contra party needs or doesn’t need?”
    The "you" is the generic you.  What one chooses to invest in is about the expected return vs the risk AND what that else that money could do instead.  The other parties financial position only comes into play in terms of default considerations.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Right, this is a perspective, not an analysis. It offers no real data and makes one very specifically false statement.  It said "The average stadium generated $145MM per year, but none of this revenue goes back into the community".  This is patently false because this leads one to believe that not one stadium in the country has any sales OR business revenue tax on tickets, beer, food, etc. We all know this isn't true.  

    And then the author talks about how the billionaire owner didn't "need it".  What they need or don't need is completely irrelevant to a financial analysis.  This is just an opinion piece. 
    Why is what a billionaire needs or doesn’t need irrelevant to a financial analysis? The more s/he has, the less they need, right? In the form of subsidies, interest rates, % of concessions, etc. it’s like Bezos, he doesn’t “need” anything in the form of subsidies to expand or build headquarters. He could, like NFL owners, pay fully out of pocket. If you or I go to a bank seeking a loan to buy or open a business, what we have and need will certainly be a part of the financial analysis.
    First, you don't make capital investment decisions based on what the contra-party needs or doesn't need.  You make them based on what you perceive the value of the investment to be.  Second, it's a question of leverage.  Now if the Vikings had no options but to stay in MN, then leverage is with the city as to how much they would/not choose to invest.  But if the Vikings could get up and leave, which most teams can, then the leverage goes to the team. Some city would pay or help the team specifically if the financial analysis shows it was a net positive tax payer investment.  

    Look simply at the Browns in 1995.  The city chose to invest in Jacobs Field and Gund Arena, leaving the Browns in old Cleveland Stadium.  Modell was going broke and Baltimore offered him $50MM plus a stadium to move there.  Cleveland had no leverage and lost the team, then spent 4 years working with the League to get a team back.  

    ... then spent 4 years with the League and getting an even shittier team back......
    Why you have to go and bring reality into this conversation?
  • mrussel1 said:
    Show me a net positive tax payer investment in a heavily subsidized stadium. Example?
    I asked for an analysis.  I said I'm interested in it.  I didn't say it was a NPV positive.  I don't know if it is or isn't.  I said analysis on Olympics show it is not worth it,  but that's not really a fair comparison. 
    I’m interested too. I don’t think you’ll find an analysis that shows “a net positive taxpayer benefit.” I think what you will find are net worth of billionaire NFL owners increasing.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,277
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Right, this is a perspective, not an analysis. It offers no real data and makes one very specifically false statement.  It said "The average stadium generated $145MM per year, but none of this revenue goes back into the community".  This is patently false because this leads one to believe that not one stadium in the country has any sales OR business revenue tax on tickets, beer, food, etc. We all know this isn't true.  

    And then the author talks about how the billionaire owner didn't "need it".  What they need or don't need is completely irrelevant to a financial analysis.  This is just an opinion piece. 
    Why is what a billionaire needs or doesn’t need irrelevant to a financial analysis? The more s/he has, the less they need, right? In the form of subsidies, interest rates, % of concessions, etc. it’s like Bezos, he doesn’t “need” anything in the form of subsidies to expand or build headquarters. He could, like NFL owners, pay fully out of pocket. If you or I go to a bank seeking a loan to buy or open a business, what we have and need will certainly be a part of the financial analysis.
    First, you don't make capital investment decisions based on what the contra-party needs or doesn't need.  You make them based on what you perceive the value of the investment to be.  Second, it's a question of leverage.  Now if the Vikings had no options but to stay in MN, then leverage is with the city as to how much they would/not choose to invest.  But if the Vikings could get up and leave, which most teams can, then the leverage goes to the team. Some city would pay or help the team specifically if the financial analysis shows it was a net positive tax payer investment.  

    Look simply at the Browns in 1995.  The city chose to invest in Jacobs Field and Gund Arena, leaving the Browns in old Cleveland Stadium.  Modell was going broke and Baltimore offered him $50MM plus a stadium to move there.  Cleveland had no leverage and lost the team, then spent 4 years working with the League to get a team back.  

    ... then spent 4 years with the League and getting an even shittier team back......
    Why you have to go and bring reality into this conversation?

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    edited November 2021
    What spending? If you’re referring to the infrastructure bill, I don’t think a dime has been disbursed. But anyway, what are all those repub gubners  and legislatures doing about inflation? 
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    shecky said:

    Ha! Spending on a bill that hasn't been signed.  Do you even think for one moment or you just ingest without a second thought?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,297
    Oh my god, DAILY WIRE!  Biden goes down tubes!!!  Aughhhh! 
    biglaugh

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,821
    brianlux said:
    Oh my god, DAILY WIRE!  Biden goes down tubes!!!  Aughhhh! 
    biglaugh

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,297
    brianlux said:
    Oh my god, DAILY WIRE!  Biden goes down tubes!!!  Aughhhh! 
    biglaugh

    Daily wire is one step up from the daily stormer

    All part of the Daily Denial, the Daily Diversion, and the ever popular Daily Lie.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Reopening the thread. Please discuss the topic only. Thank you.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,297
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    edited November 2021
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    disagree. Juggs isn't saying Joe got new roads built in 10 months. he said the bill got signed in 10 months, something Trump talked about and failed at over 4 years. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    disagree. Juggs isn't saying Joe got new roads built in 10 months. he said the bill got signed in 10 months, something Trump talked about and failed at over 4 years. 
    we had infrastructure week how many times under trump? so many times that it became a joke and a metaphor for his entire inept administration.

    remember whenever the next shit show happened under trump everyone said that "it must be infrastructure week."
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,297
    Biden vs Trump on getting things done.  LOL, no brainer!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    edited November 2021
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


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  • static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


    It may end up being another example of Dems fixing the destruction and clusterfuckedness of the previous repub Administration and getting no credit for it, none, zip, zero, zilch.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,647
    yeah the great dealmaker/negotiator didn't do shit....
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  • yeah the great dealmaker/negotiator didn't do shit....
    Didn't he make up bullshit bills only to be tossed in the trash?

    I don't think there ever was a vote or bill brought to light?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


    It may end up being another example of Dems fixing the destruction and clusterfuckedness of the previous repub Administration and getting no credit for it, none, zip, zero, zilch.
    Considering the dems are horrible at messaging, and how it may take 3-4 years to see real results (sorry static!); I think the odds are actually better of republicans getting the credit for this. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,614
    Wait, you guys are telling me the new roads, bridges and subways aren’t built yet?  What bs. Typical socialism.   
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  • static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


    It may end up being another example of Dems fixing the destruction and clusterfuckedness of the previous repub Administration and getting no credit for it, none, zip, zero, zilch.
    Considering the dems are horrible at messaging, and how it may take 3-4 years to see real results (sorry static!); I think the odds are actually better of republicans getting the credit for this. 
    You beat me to it. If we start seeing positive results from this in or by 2024, the GOP will refer to this as Trump's infrastructure plan and few will push back on that narrative because 'Merica. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    Awesome, thanks Kat. 
    Infrastructure bill signed by Biden allocates at least 9 billion to Mass  and transportation advocates have ideas on how to spend it - The Boston  Globe
    President Biden signs infrastructure bill! 
    Previous guy spent four years talking about infrastructure...Joe gets it done in 10 months. 
    This is disingenuous.  While it is a great hot take on owning Trump, we have yet to see how the money will be spent, if it will be wasteful and if it will deliver as advertised.  Sure the bill outlines how the money will be spent, but seeing is believing.  Joe did sign an infrastructure bill in 10 months and I won't criticize that progress, but infrastructure is far from "done".
    Nothing I said is "disingenuous." If you think I implied that roads and bridges were already fixed, I just don't know what to tell you. 

    This is part of the problem with the dem base. They expect change to happen overnight. That is not the way things work...especially for a bill like this that will take years for people to actually see the results. Getting this bipartisan bill done is a HUGE accomplishment. 


    It may end up being another example of Dems fixing the destruction and clusterfuckedness of the previous repub Administration and getting no credit for it, none, zip, zero, zilch.
    Considering the dems are horrible at messaging, and how it may take 3-4 years to see real results (sorry static!); I think the odds are actually better of republicans getting the credit for this. 
    You beat me to it. If we start seeing positive results from this in or by 2024, the GOP will refer to this as Trump's infrastructure plan and few will push back on that narrative because 'Merica. 
    It is interesting because you've already seen McConnell start doing this. But Trump could fuck that up as he is railing against it calling it a non infrastructure plan. Marge Green and the other maga dopes are following suit. So maybe those people will screw up the traditional way the GOP operates...
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