No one has to throw anyone under any bus. All they need to do is communicate and especially communicate when they tell us to expect communication.
Why did the 10c reply back to the email and say they would ship late winter? Probably the same reason they told us they would communicate about where they were in the process after finalizing the mailing list at the end of December. It wasn't true. Were they being dishonest to buy more time? Telling us what we want to hear to shut us up for a while? We don't know.
I don't care what the reason for the delay is but I do care that they keep trying to sell us other crap while not taking care of their prior obligations and then choose to not communicate.
I think its fair to say that the blame mostly lies on the club but the club wouldn't exist if not for the members of Pearl Jam. Is it also the club's fault that DEEP 2019 and 2020,to my knowledge, haven't been created? At what point does Pearl Jam get involved and at what point are they to blame for not getting more involved? Do you think this is the vision that they had for their own fan club 30 years ago? I sure hope not.
I'm sure not but I can't imagine the fan club is even on their radar anymore. they're into creating art and music, not appeasing the complaints of a bunch of 40/50 something fanboys. lol
It took them 7 years to make a new album and they were never even in the studio together. I don't think they're into creating art and music as much as you think they are. Maybe some members are, (who we know have been vocal about it) but as a band, collectively that's definitely not happening so it's no surprise that they ended the annual singles and could care less about releasing them when they don't even care about making new music (again collectively as a band not as individual members of the band)...
@Santos L. Halper I see you gave a nice update on posters, bats, vaults and EV singles.
Why do you choose to not update us on the Annual Singles and Deep? All of the items that you have given updates on were for sale after the last official update regarding the Single and Deep in November. I don't care who updates us but the 10c told us we would be getting an update at the end of December and that never happened.
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Never has so much been written with so little to say.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Never has so much been written with so little to say.
I thought trolling wasn't allowed on this forum but I guess I was wrong. How about the first rule of "RESPECT"?
@Santos L. Halper Does the 10c enjoy watching others attack each other for this issue that the 10c has caused?
Disagreeing with you and stating an opinion is not trolling.
You didn't say you disagreed. You insulted me and my words to "incite flames." That is trolling.
What is there to disagree about? Santos is giving an update on items that were sold after our last update over 4 months ago. Why do the customers buying posters deserve an unexpected update when we were told to expect an update 3 months ago?
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on2legs
Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,471
Never has so much been written with so little to say.
I thought trolling wasn't allowed on this forum but I guess I was wrong. How about the first rule of "RESPECT"?
@Santos L. Halper Does the 10c enjoy watching others attack each other for this issue that the 10c has caused?
Disagreeing with you and stating an opinion is not trolling.
You didn't say you disagreed. You insulted me and my words to "incite flames." That is trolling.
What is there to disagree about? Santos is giving an update on items that were sold after our last update over 4 months ago. Why do the customers buying posters deserve an unexpected update when we were told to expect an update 3 months ago?
I don’t have to say I disagree to disagree. I can post my opinion. Whatever. Please add me to your complaint with the Attorney General.
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1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Never has so much been written with so little to say.
I thought trolling wasn't allowed on this forum but I guess I was wrong. How about the first rule of "RESPECT"?
@Santos L. Halper Does the 10c enjoy watching others attack each other for this issue that the 10c has caused?
Disagreeing with you and stating an opinion is not trolling.
You didn't say you disagreed. You insulted me and my words to "incite flames." That is trolling.
What is there to disagree about? Santos is giving an update on items that were sold after our last update over 4 months ago. Why do the customers buying posters deserve an unexpected update when we were told to expect an update 3 months ago?
Whatever. Please add me to your complaint with the Attorney General.
Whatever.... Never has so much been written with so little to say. Am I right?
At least I make valid points. Once again, you are attacking me for the sole purpose of inciting flames.
Never has so much been written with so little to say.
I thought trolling wasn't allowed on this forum but I guess I was wrong. How about the first rule of "RESPECT"?
@Santos L. Halper Does the 10c enjoy watching others attack each other for this issue that the 10c has caused?
Disagreeing with you and stating an opinion is not trolling.
You didn't say you disagreed. You insulted me and my words to "incite flames." That is trolling.
What is there to disagree about? Santos is giving an update on items that were sold after our last update over 4 months ago. Why do the customers buying posters deserve an unexpected update when we were told to expect an update 3 months ago?
Whatever. Please add me to your complaint with the Attorney General.
Whatever.... Never has so much been written with so little to say. Am I right?
At least I make valid points. Once again, you are attacking me for the sole purpose of inciting flames.
Saying you are making a big deal out of a small deal is not attacking you.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
I generally assume, if there is no update, there is no new news, and the old news still current. But this is weird. But also, we have zero power in this situation, so we have to wait for news or for them to arrive.
I asked santos in the shipping update thread about singles but got crickets. I’m starting to feel like they don’t care and think ripping off thousands of people is funny. Am I wrong?
My guess is there are some real issues at play that we aren’t (and won’t be) privy to, we won’t get an explanation, and these happen when they do, as frustrating as it can be.
If there are issues, the purchasers should be advised and given revised delivery estimates or a plan to fulfill them (common courtesy). Late winter is over...no singles. Makes no sense to bring pressing in house when these are the last two...why even take than on? And old Deep fanzines...why bother? If you can’t do those timely (e.g. annually), it seems as though the fans are an afterthought in the “fan club.” #pjdontcare #maybeIshouldnteither
Now that the tour has been sorted, can we please get an update on when we will get these too. While you are at it, an update on the Vault would be very much appreciated.
This post is from October. Its only gotten worse since. The Weeknd just announced a reissue of his first album and they gave it a 1 year window until shipping.
Let me clarify, every plant is operating at capacity and many records are delayed. I imagine PJ thought they would get these quicker than what the plant was operating at.
Unless you plan well ahead, records won’t be out on release day. And a made to order record, doesn’t leave much room to plan ahead. I’m sure they can estimate though.
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This post is from October. Its only gotten worse since.
The Weeknd just announced a reissue of his first album and they gave it a 1 year window until shipping.
Its real bad guys. You gotta have chill.
The original shipping date was "late winter" IIRC. As of last I heard, they were on target for March/April.
I don't love musictoday's customer service, but I guarantee that they would provide updates if they took money for something, then had a delay.
Pearl Jam, ten club, etc does not care and has some of the worst customer service in the music world.
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