So how about those fan club singles *edit* THAT I FINALLY GOT!!

HughFreakingDillon

on2legs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

the problem with any analogy (in the context of this club and its benefits) is that nothing is really comparable in any real way. 

But I’m ready for a nice steak dinner now

i'm having steak tonight. LOL

Lost In Ohio

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

HughFreakingDillon

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

the singles sell for $10. 

honestly, the "free" portion of the membership really resides in the eye of beholder. To me, I couldn't give two shits about the shirt, so that's the free part (I liked the "alive" one). to some it's the single. to others it's posting on this board. 

on2legs

HughFreakingDillon said:

on2legs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

the problem with any analogy (in the context of this club and its benefits) is that nothing is really comparable in any real way. 

But I’m ready for a nice steak dinner now

i'm having steak tonight. LOL

mace1229

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

The single is not free. Its an extra $20 for analog membership. Sure, you can itemize everything to say you didn't pay full retail. That doesn't make it free. I paid more for analog membership. I got a vinyl as part of that expense. There is no definition of free that meets that.
Back to the steak dinner then. Okay, they forget to bring your baked potato, but you get steak, salad and veggies. Would you tell your waiter to forget about it, because the price of the steak + salad + veggies is the cost of the meal if you were to order everything a la carte ( i just realized I said a la mode earlier, I do no recommend ice cream with steak)? Or would you tell your waiter you paid for the dinner plate and you want your baked potato? It doesn't matter what they sell everything separately for, you paid for the bundle. you wouldn't be satisfied if the waiter just said "yeah I know we advertised baked potato, but we actually don't cook those here. I don't know why its on the menu as part of the dinner. here, have some free water and now we're square."
If that still sounds fair to you, I have some box sets to sell you. Might not have all the vinyl, but you'll get what I think you should pay for it.

Loujoe

What if you are vegetarian?

HughFreakingDillon

Loujoe said:

What if you are vegetarian?

you get your membership revoked and a horse head placed in your bed

mace1229

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

mace1229

Loujoe said:

What if you are vegetarian?

I'd be asking why did you order the steak dinner then?

Loujoe

HughFreakingDillon said:

Loujoe said:

What if you are vegetarian?

you get your membership revoked and a horse head placed in your bed

Wow. That's creative, brutal and AWESOME!!

HughFreakingDillon

I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is. 

on2legs

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

on2legs

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is. 

The only part of the contract most people care about are the tickets.  Hence... if the restaurant cooked me the best steak ever I’m not really going to ask to speak to the manager because I don’t get a refill on my water.  

drakeheuer14

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

Is posting in the appropriate place and talking about it really outrage though?

on2legs

drakeheuer14 said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

Is posting in the appropriate place and talking about it really outrage though?

I think most people here do fine with discussing it.  And a select few are outraged and obsessed.  

mace1229

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

Others itemizing what we get and saying the single is just a free bonus, despite that it is part of the built in cost of membership, and that is silly to complain about, is defending it. 
 I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged. 

on2legs

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

Others itemizing what we get and saying the single is just a free bonus, despite that it is part of the built in cost of membership, and that is silly to complain about, is defending it. 
 I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged. 

There are people outraged here. To wit: Someone filed a complaint with the Attorney General’s office over the single. Others have suggested a lawsuit. 

Loujoe

Just mail us our records. Please and thank you. It's important to keep this as front page news till we get another update as to what's up. IMHO.

mace1229

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

on2legs said:

mace1229 said:

on2legs said:

The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak.  The tickets are the steak.  The single is more like they forgot to refill your water. 

Half the yearly dues were essentially for the single, water is free. So to go with the restaurant analogy, you order a steak dinner plate that comes with a baked potato, salad and grilled veggies. They only bring out a steak. Sure, the steak is what I was really mostly interested in, but I would have gotten the steak a la mode and paid half as much if I didn't want the sides. 
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital. 

But the single is free... just like the water.  The shirt is $20 in the shop and the bootleg code is $10.  

Bingo.

$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.

$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.

A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.

paying less =/= free. Just because you got a "deal" by buying a bundle doesn't make any of it free. Bottom line is I paid for a single as part of a bundle, and I do not have the single. Therefore I paid for something that was never delivered.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?

I don’t defend it.  It’s lousy customer service.  I just don’t get the outrage.  

Others itemizing what we get and saying the single is just a free bonus, despite that it is part of the built in cost of membership, and that is silly to complain about, is defending it. 
 I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged. 

There are people outraged here. To wit: Someone filed a complaint with the Attorney General’s office over the single. Others have suggested a lawsuit. 

Okay, that's dumb. Very few are outraged, most just disappointed and annoyed.

HughFreakingDillon

on2legs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is. 

The only part of the contract most people care about are the tickets.  Hence... if the restaurant cooked me the best steak ever I’m not really going to ask to speak to the manager because I don’t get a refill on my water.  

that's simply not true. you are assuming most are from places the band visits. this club has NEVER been about the tickets for me, and I've seen several post the same. I've seen the band 5 times, Ed once. I scored 10 club tickets once, well, scratch that, twice, but the most recent example was cancelled due to covid. 

and even if it is true, it's not relevant. if any business sells a package, they do so to market to a diverse group, some who want item A the most, some who want item B the most, some who want both items A and B equally. so they are beholden to deliver the entire package to the entire group. 

that's the entire reason they split into two tiers of membership. 

what you aren't getting is that, honestly, you are kind of arrogantly assuming what is most important to you is what should be most important to everyone. that tickets are the steak. they aren't, to everybody. there is no right answer as to what is the most important. 

I continue to find it kind of funny those accusing others of being "obsessed" with the singles are also the people obsessed with the people obsessed with the singles.