So how about those fan club singles *edit* THAT I FINALLY GOT!!
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Complaining about some fans being outraged over Tenclub fucking up royally and not delivering singles in what has lower betting odds at Vegas on ending up being over a decade than being "soon"..
I fully understand people being outraged over Tenclubs unfathomable poor handling of this and communications skills. Its crazy. Ludacris. On the verge of being - if not stepping over that line already - arrogant.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:Lost In Ohio said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak. The tickets are the steak. The single is more like they forgot to refill your water.
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital.
Bingo.
$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.
$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.
A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?
I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is.
and even if it is true, it's not relevant. if any business sells a package, they do so to market to a diverse group, some who want item A the most, some who want item B the most, some who want both items A and B equally. so they are beholden to deliver the entire package to the entire group.
that's the entire reason they split into two tiers of membership.
what you aren't getting is that, honestly, you are kind of arrogantly assuming what is most important to you is what should be most important to everyone. that tickets are the steak. they aren't, to everybody. there is no right answer as to what is the most important.
I continue to find it kind of funny those accusing others of being "obsessed" with the singles are also the people obsessed with the people obsessed with the singles.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is.
If I never saw my server after taking my order and it left me thirsty, I'd be leaving a pretty weak tip.
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i just want the ANALOG item from my analog membership. The shirts were literally billed as a gift. The download codes are pointless when they don’t easily work on my iphone. I payed $20 for a record and a mag... Am I losing sleep over it... No, Is it right/fair/just that they’ve found time to write record and release ab album, pressed single sided 45s of a single and put up multiple other artists 7” records in the shop all while holding back the shit I paid for 3-4 years ago? Also NO.
Come on Santos. Please make this happen for us.0 -
on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is.
and even if it is true, it's not relevant. if any business sells a package, they do so to market to a diverse group, some who want item A the most, some who want item B the most, some who want both items A and B equally. so they are beholden to deliver the entire package to the entire group.
that's the entire reason they split into two tiers of membership.
what you aren't getting is that, honestly, you are kind of arrogantly assuming what is most important to you is what should be most important to everyone. that tickets are the steak. they aren't, to everybody. there is no right answer as to what is the most important.
I continue to find it kind of funny those accusing others of being "obsessed" with the singles are also the people obsessed with the people obsessed with the singles.
you don't think it's a big deal. fine. others do. I don't get why people have to be antagonistic to people who just want what they paid for. the club isn't your little brother.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
mace1229 said:on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is.
If I never saw my server after taking my order and it left me thirsty, I'd be leaving a pretty weak tip.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
no it doesn't. anything you purchase in exchange for goods or services is technically a contract. especially when it's a membership with terms and conditions.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not really sure why anyone thinks it matters what the built in cost of the single is. it's part of the agreement. the worth is the band's/club's ability to make good on a contract, which is what this is.
If I never saw my server after taking my order and it left me thirsty, I'd be leaving a pretty weak tip.
You said most only care about the tickets, meaning they do not care about the rest.
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HughFreakingDillon said:no it doesn't. anything you purchase in exchange for goods or services is technically a contract. especially when it's a membership with terms and conditions.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0
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Just send the flipping records so we can all move on. I don’t get why people don’t care that they paid for something years ago and still haven’t received said goods and think it’s ok? Calling a lawyer , a little much but when a company steals hundreds of thousands of dollars and doesn’t provide said goods well then maybe it’s justified? Not the end of the world and yes we all have more serious things to deal with but I think it’s ok to question where these are. Santos.. your time to chime in here.0
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Sounds like we're all not that far apart. Most who are complaining aren't outraged, just annoyed and disappointed that we paid for something while the band can turn item after item in the shop and not fulfil what we paid for years ago. That doesn't mean we're outraged.
Most think those not complaining are defending the band. Maybe they're not. Sounds like they just don't want to waste time complaining about it. That doesn;t equal defending the band.
We all want them. None of us are losing sleep over it.
I'm in that first group. I'm annoyed. The band and the club should be embarrassed that they can flip 10 for the 5th time, crank out new 7" of side projects for extra cash, but not press a single that we paid for 4 years ago. I'd be embarrassed if my name was on that. Money talks I guess.
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mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:Lost In Ohio said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak. The tickets are the steak. The single is more like they forgot to refill your water.
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital.
Bingo.
$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.
$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.
A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?
I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged.I filed a complaint after the Attorney General himself told me to file a complaint over these kind of consumer issues. I've been mocked plenty over it but those that are mocking don't realize what the Attorney General's Office is for. The Attorney General got involved and we ended up getting a real response from the very top of the club. It wasn't a waste of time and it worked as much as the process could. Let me remind everyone that it was a year and a half ago that I contacted the AG and the Ten Club has still failed to fulfill their obligation.As for a lawsuit, plenty of others have been sued for much less and won much more. To my knowledge no one has actually filed a lawsuit or even spoken with a lawyer regarding a lawsuit. Unfortunately, we as consumers are at the bottom of the totem pole and sometimes lawsuits are necessary because it is the only option. In this instance, we can't make anything happen sooner individually but I bet if someone started a lawsuit, these would be shipped out tomorrow.There is no point in arguing what the cost of any specific membership benefit item is. If the Ten Club doesn't charge enough to fulfill their obligations, that is 100% on them. Their lack of communication is the biggest issue IMHO. I don't care whether these items ship out in 10 years as long as there is direct and constant communication about the situation. Instead, the Ten Club ignores this situation while pushing more consumer crap for us to buy.It is outrageous that a band would treat their fan club members with such disrespect so I think any outrage is fair. The Ten Club was one of the reasons that made me love this band in the first place but I don't feel the same way towards the Ten Club as I used to. I know the Ten Club doesn't feel the same way that it used to about the fan club members. This is a legitimate issue with what seems to be a very simple solution but the Ten Club just does not care.Has any member of Pearl Jam gotten involved with fixing this situation? To my knowledge, none of them have even addressed this situation but that's probably because their lawyers told them to stay silent. Do any members of Pearl Jam care about this situation? It sure doesn't seem so. Each member of Pearl Jam has more money and power than most will ever have yet we are still talking about membership benefits from 4 years ago.0 -
on2legs said:HughFreakingDillon said:no it doesn't. anything you purchase in exchange for goods or services is technically a contract. especially when it's a membership with terms and conditions.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Loujoe said:What if you are vegetarian?
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/285124/the-2020-spring-tour-leg-one-postponement-positivity-thread#latest
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JB16057 said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:Lost In Ohio said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak. The tickets are the steak. The single is more like they forgot to refill your water.
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital.
Bingo.
$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.
$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.
A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?
I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged.I filed a complaint after the Attorney General himself told me to file a complaint over these kind of consumer issues. I've been mocked plenty over it but those that are mocking don't realize what the Attorney General's Office is for. The Attorney General got involved and we ended up getting a real response from the very top of the club. It wasn't a waste of time and it worked as much as the process could. Let me remind everyone that it was a year and a half ago that I contacted the AG and the Ten Club has still failed to fulfill their obligation.As for a lawsuit, plenty of others have been sued for much less and won much more. To my knowledge no one has actually filed a lawsuit or even spoken with a lawyer regarding a lawsuit. Unfortunately, we as consumers are at the bottom of the totem pole and sometimes lawsuits are necessary because it is the only option. In this instance, we can't make anything happen sooner individually but I bet if someone started a lawsuit, these would be shipped out tomorrow.There is no point in arguing what the cost of any specific membership benefit item is. If the Ten Club doesn't charge enough to fulfill their obligations, that is 100% on them. Their lack of communication is the biggest issue IMHO. I don't care whether these items ship out in 10 years as long as there is direct and constant communication about the situation. Instead, the Ten Club ignores this situation while pushing more consumer crap for us to buy.It is outrageous that a band would treat their fan club members with such disrespect so I think any outrage is fair. The Ten Club was one of the reasons that made me love this band in the first place but I don't feel the same way towards the Ten Club as I used to. I know the Ten Club doesn't feel the same way that it used to about the fan club members. This is a legitimate issue with what seems to be a very simple solution but the Ten Club just does not care.Has any member of Pearl Jam gotten involved with fixing this situation? To my knowledge, none of them have even addressed this situation but that's probably because their lawyers told them to stay silent. Do any members of Pearl Jam care about this situation? It sure doesn't seem so. Each member of Pearl Jam has more money and power than most will ever have yet we are still talking about membership benefits from 4 years ago.
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In all fairness, the multiple threads on this issue have been equally successful. Involving the government over $20 does seem excessive to me. If it was $300 worth of canceled concert tickets with no refunds, I'd see the point.0
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mace1229 said:Sounds like we're all not that far apart. Most who are complaining aren't outraged, just annoyed and disappointed that we paid for something while the band can turn item after item in the shop and not fulfil what we paid for years ago. That doesn't mean we're outraged.
Most think those not complaining are defending the band. Maybe they're not. Sounds like they just don't want to waste time complaining about it. That doesn;t equal defending the band.
We all want them. None of us are losing sleep over it.
I'm in that first group. I'm annoyed. The band and the club should be embarrassed that they can flip 10 for the 5th time, crank out new 7" of side projects for extra cash, but not press a single that we paid for 4 years ago. I'd be embarrassed if my name was on that. Money talks I guess.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
JB16057 said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:Lost In Ohio said:on2legs said:mace1229 said:on2legs said:The only problem with the restaurant analogy is that the single is not analogous to the steak. The tickets are the steak. The single is more like they forgot to refill your water.
The only reason I was analog was this vinyl. Thats half the cost of membership. As soon as they did away with it that was an easy choice to go digital.
Bingo.
$20 gets ticket access, member sales and contests, forum access, 10C radio.
$20 additional was good for the download, the shirt, the record and a magazine.
A few of them from past years are in the shop for something like $10+shipping. The $20 extra definitely got more than $20 of stuff.
Now as others have said, I really don't think about it until I see this thread. its not that big of a deal. I just don't understand why anyone can defend this. What if it was the digital download they decided to take away? What if they just decided to not offer any tickets to the fan club? How would that be any different?
I don't think anyone here is outraged. Annoyed and disappointed is probably more accurate. If they announce tomorrow that they will not be shipping them out and there will be no refunds or credit I will still keep my membership as long as I have a chance of seeing them play. I will lose a lot of respect for the band and anyone involved in the club if that happens. That's not being outraged.I filed a complaint after the Attorney General himself told me to file a complaint over these kind of consumer issues. I've been mocked plenty over it but those that are mocking don't realize what the Attorney General's Office is for. The Attorney General got involved and we ended up getting a real response from the very top of the club. It wasn't a waste of time and it worked as much as the process could. Let me remind everyone that it was a year and a half ago that I contacted the AG and the Ten Club has still failed to fulfill their obligation.As for a lawsuit, plenty of others have been sued for much less and won much more. To my knowledge no one has actually filed a lawsuit or even spoken with a lawyer regarding a lawsuit. Unfortunately, we as consumers are at the bottom of the totem pole and sometimes lawsuits are necessary because it is the only option. In this instance, we can't make anything happen sooner individually but I bet if someone started a lawsuit, these would be shipped out tomorrow.There is no point in arguing what the cost of any specific membership benefit item is. If the Ten Club doesn't charge enough to fulfill their obligations, that is 100% on them. Their lack of communication is the biggest issue IMHO. I don't care whether these items ship out in 10 years as long as there is direct and constant communication about the situation. Instead, the Ten Club ignores this situation while pushing more consumer crap for us to buy.It is outrageous that a band would treat their fan club members with such disrespect so I think any outrage is fair. The Ten Club was one of the reasons that made me love this band in the first place but I don't feel the same way towards the Ten Club as I used to. I know the Ten Club doesn't feel the same way that it used to about the fan club members. This is a legitimate issue with what seems to be a very simple solution but the Ten Club just does not care.Has any member of Pearl Jam gotten involved with fixing this situation? To my knowledge, none of them have even addressed this situation but that's probably because their lawyers told them to stay silent. Do any members of Pearl Jam care about this situation? It sure doesn't seem so. Each member of Pearl Jam has more money and power than most will ever have yet we are still talking about membership benefits from 4 years ago.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
The agreement to exchange money for goods represented by a Ten Club membership is, without question, a contract. The Ten Club is in breach of that contract with respect to its Analog members from 2017-18. The Ten Club can cure that breach at any time by delivering the promised goods but, until such cure, it remains in breach.
Some people are dismissive of the idea that anyone cares about "their 20 dollars," but a theoretical lawsuit alleging breach of contract (and, perhaps, fraud-- if facts were developed that demonstrated that the Ten Club had or has no intention of performing its obligations under the contract) would not be brought by any individual member. That would be a small claim. The theoretical lawsuit would be a class action brought on behalf of all individuals with a claim. The class may consist of tens of thousands of members. The amount of profit that has accrued to the Ten Club from any individual member is negligible, but the amount of profit that has accrued to the Ten Club from all members with whom it is in breach would be significant if the class is large enough.
That lawsuit remains theoretical because: 1) the putative plaintiffs are members of a fan club who retain good will toward the potential target of the lawsuit, despite the breach; and 2) a lawyer would be unlikely to take up representation of the class because he or she would only be paid upon victory or settlement and, if said lawsuit were filed, the Ten Club would likely cure the breach as quickly as it could, rendering the lawsuit moot and likely proscribing any discovery unless there were some specific basis for allegations of fraud that would allow for non-contract damages. I'm not aware of any basis for a claim that the Ten Club is intentionally withholding the benefits of this particular bargain. It seems more likely that it's just negligence and inertia. We certainly haven't been given any indication that the members of the band, who have the power to put this whole saga to rest, care about it or are even especially aware of it. For all we know, the band may think they've fulfilled their obligation. Imagine the extent to which the hard feelings that exist could have been tempered if any member of the band had posted something here, or written something in one of the monthly emails selling stuff, saying, "Hey everybody, we understand your frustration that you haven't received what we promised you. (Maybe insert a brief explanation for the delay here.) But rest assured, we're going to get this taken care of and get you something that will be worth the wait. We're sorry this happened. We truly appreciate your support and we don't take it for granted."
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