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The GOP totally deserves this. They jumped on Trump's fragility-induced accusations and many other GOPers copied them. This was bound to start to happen at this level.
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Gee, I wonder if there’s anyone who can explain why we should consider supporting this party and their Dear Leader, POOTWH? Hmmmmmmm.
7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans
When Vice President Mike Pencedeclined to help President Donald Trump overturn the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, he foreclosed whatever chance Trump had of staying in the White House — and probably any path Pence might have had of becoming president.
The reason? Pence split the Republican Party along MAGA lines. In a new CBS News/YouGov poll, non-MAGA Republicans say that Pence did the right thing, 48 percent to 15 percent, but MAGA Republicans disapprove by a 2-to-1 margin. And Monmouth University polling from last month showed that while even non-MAGA Republicans are iffy on Pence, “strong” MAGA Republicans detest him: Just 22 percent had a favorable impression, while 60 percent had an unfavorable one.
The MAGA split in the GOP is perhaps best exemplified by Pence’s travails, but that’s hardly the only area showing significant gaps.
Polling has occasionally asked Republicans whether they identify with the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement, and we reached out to pollsters to get breakdowns on how these two sides of the party differ. Below are some of the most interesting findings.
To start with, polls generally show that 4 to 5 in 10 Republican-leaning voters identify as MAGA. A Grinnell College poll late last year pegged the number at 42 percent. And the Monmouth poll last month showed that 31 percent identify as “strong” MAGA supporters, 21 percent identify as “somewhat” MAGA supporters, and 38 percent don’t support MAGA.
1. MAGA is more evangelical, conservative
While Trump strikes few as the embodiment of the evangelical Christian faith, the MAGA movement is much more evangelical than not.
Strong MAGA supporters identify as evangelicals 60 percent to 39 percent in Monmouth polling, but those who lean Republican and don’t support the MAGA movement are nonevangelical by a similar margin, 59 percent to 36 percent.
MAGA is also more conservative. In the Monmouth poll, 6 in 10 “very conservative” voters identify at least somewhat with MAGA, while 60 percent of moderates identify as non-MAGA.
Suffolk University in a 2021 polloffered something of an analog: not whether voters described themselves as MAGA, but whether they were more loyal to Trump (akin to MAGA) or the GOP as a party (akin to non-MAGA). It found similar differences in these demographics, but relatively little differences across age, gender, region, income and education.
2. MAGA is less wedded to the Republican Party
Not only are MAGA supporters more conservative, but the Grinnell College poll showed that 65 percent of them identify as “strong” Republicans, compared to just 36 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
That shouldn’t be mistaken for devotion to the party. The Suffolk poll showed Trump-first/MAGA supporters as less favorable toward the GOP (56 percent favorable to 29 percent unfavorable) than non-MAGA/party-first Republicans (70 percent favorable to 15 percent unfavorable).
The Trump-first/MAGA supporters also said, 74 percent to 8 percent, that they would back a Trump-run third party, while the party-first crowd said it would stick with the GOP in that scenario, 58 percent to 15 percent.
3. MAGA is more rigid
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans are more rigid in their views in the Suffolk poll.
They prefer that Republicans stand up to President Biden, even if it means getting little done, over compromising to accomplish things, 75 percent to 16 percent. Party-first/non-MAGA Republicans are more open to compromise, though they still prefer the former approach, 48-37.
Party-first and non-MAGA supporters are also slightly less disapproving of Biden (though all groups overwhelmingly disapprove). And non-MAGA Republicans are more willing to vote for Democrats, with AP VoteCast data showing that 10 percent crossed over in the 2022 House elections — a stat that cost the GOP dearly. (Just 2 percent of MAGA supporters voted for Democrats.)
4. MAGA is much more devoted to Trump
This goes without saying; MAGA is Trump’s movement, after all. But the degree is often striking.
In the Monmouth poll, 61 percent of MAGA Republicans say they aren’t at all concerned about Trump’s indictments, compared to 39 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
The same poll shows non-MAGA supporters about evenly split on whether Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) would be a more effective president, but strongMAGA Republicans say that’s Trump, 70 percent to 9 percent.
The Suffolk poll also has 28 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans saying that Trump was a “great president,” compared to 63 percent of Trump-first/MAGA supporters.
5. MAGA is more extreme on 2020, Jan. 6, news, vaccines — and Putin
MAGA Republicans are, as befits their hero, more conspiratorial and extreme.
The Suffolk poll (conducted shortly after Jan. 6) showed 89 percent of Trump-first/MAGA Republicans said Biden wasn’t a legitimately elected president, compared to 59 percent of party-first/non-MAGA ones.
Just one-quarter said Jan. 6 was a “riot” or “insurrection” (it was both), compared to more than 4 in 10 party-first/non-MAGA Republicans.
At the time, Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were more likely to list either Newsmax or One America News as their most trusted news source (4 in 10) than to name Fox News (32 percent). Those outlets had gone even further than Fox to promote Trump’s stolen-election fantasy. Only 15 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans preferred those outlets.
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were also twice as likely as party-first/non-MAGA supporters to say they wouldn’t get the coronavirusvaccine.
And a recent poll from Vanderbilt University showed a particularly pronounced gap on the question of who was the better president, Biden or Russia’s Vladimir Putin. While 70 percent of non-MAGA Republicans said Biden was better, 52 percent of MAGA Republicans preferred Putin.
6. Even non-MAGA is falling in line with Trump
The splits in the ways MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans approach the 2024 election are perhaps unsurprising. But what’s interesting is how much even non-MAGA Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
The Monmouth poll in March showed Trump underwater among non-MAGA Republicans, 39 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. But that result has since flipped, with them now liking Trump 55 percent to 34 percent.
Over that span, Trump has turned a 33-19 deficit against DeSantis among non-MAGA Republicans in a crowded field into a slight 24-19 advantage.
A majority of non-MAGA Republicans now say Trump is probably the party’s strongest general election candidate, while only 29 percent saying DeSantis would be stronger.
Needless to say, if Trump is winning non-MAGA Republicans, he is going to win the nomination.
7. MAGA turns on Trump critics — fast
MAGA Republicans are, of course, willing to turn on a dime against anybody who runs afoul of Trump.
And it’s not just former Trump vice president Pence; it’s also the two most forceful Trump critics in the field. Strong MAGA Republicans absolutely despise former Trump ally Chris Christie (6 percent favorable, 70 percent unfavorable in the Monmouth poll), and the ones who know about former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson feel much the same about him (6 percent favorable to 28 percent unfavorable).
Gee, I wonder if there’s anyone who can explain why we should consider supporting this party and their Dear Leader, POOTWH? Hmmmmmmm.
7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans
When Vice President Mike Pencedeclined to help President Donald Trump overturn the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, he foreclosed whatever chance Trump had of staying in the White House — and probably any path Pence might have had of becoming president.
The reason? Pence split the Republican Party along MAGA lines. In a new CBS News/YouGov poll, non-MAGA Republicans say that Pence did the right thing, 48 percent to 15 percent, but MAGA Republicans disapprove by a 2-to-1 margin. And Monmouth University polling from last month showed that while even non-MAGA Republicans are iffy on Pence, “strong” MAGA Republicans detest him: Just 22 percent had a favorable impression, while 60 percent had an unfavorable one.
The MAGA split in the GOP is perhaps best exemplified by Pence’s travails, but that’s hardly the only area showing significant gaps.
Polling has occasionally asked Republicans whether they identify with the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement, and we reached out to pollsters to get breakdowns on how these two sides of the party differ. Below are some of the most interesting findings.
To start with, polls generally show that 4 to 5 in 10 Republican-leaning voters identify as MAGA. A Grinnell College poll late last year pegged the number at 42 percent. And the Monmouth poll last month showed that 31 percent identify as “strong” MAGA supporters, 21 percent identify as “somewhat” MAGA supporters, and 38 percent don’t support MAGA.
1. MAGA is more evangelical, conservative
While Trump strikes few as the embodiment of the evangelical Christian faith, the MAGA movement is much more evangelical than not.
Strong MAGA supporters identify as evangelicals 60 percent to 39 percent in Monmouth polling, but those who lean Republican and don’t support the MAGA movement are nonevangelical by a similar margin, 59 percent to 36 percent.
MAGA is also more conservative. In the Monmouth poll, 6 in 10 “very conservative” voters identify at least somewhat with MAGA, while 60 percent of moderates identify as non-MAGA.
Suffolk University in a 2021 polloffered something of an analog: not whether voters described themselves as MAGA, but whether they were more loyal to Trump (akin to MAGA) or the GOP as a party (akin to non-MAGA). It found similar differences in these demographics, but relatively little differences across age, gender, region, income and education.
2. MAGA is less wedded to the Republican Party
Not only are MAGA supporters more conservative, but the Grinnell College poll showed that 65 percent of them identify as “strong” Republicans, compared to just 36 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
That shouldn’t be mistaken for devotion to the party. The Suffolk poll showed Trump-first/MAGA supporters as less favorable toward the GOP (56 percent favorable to 29 percent unfavorable) than non-MAGA/party-first Republicans (70 percent favorable to 15 percent unfavorable).
The Trump-first/MAGA supporters also said, 74 percent to 8 percent, that they would back a Trump-run third party, while the party-first crowd said it would stick with the GOP in that scenario, 58 percent to 15 percent.
3. MAGA is more rigid
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans are more rigid in their views in the Suffolk poll.
They prefer that Republicans stand up to President Biden, even if it means getting little done, over compromising to accomplish things, 75 percent to 16 percent. Party-first/non-MAGA Republicans are more open to compromise, though they still prefer the former approach, 48-37.
Party-first and non-MAGA supporters are also slightly less disapproving of Biden (though all groups overwhelmingly disapprove). And non-MAGA Republicans are more willing to vote for Democrats, with AP VoteCast data showing that 10 percent crossed over in the 2022 House elections — a stat that cost the GOP dearly. (Just 2 percent of MAGA supporters voted for Democrats.)
4. MAGA is much more devoted to Trump
This goes without saying; MAGA is Trump’s movement, after all. But the degree is often striking.
In the Monmouth poll, 61 percent of MAGA Republicans say they aren’t at all concerned about Trump’s indictments, compared to 39 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
The same poll shows non-MAGA supporters about evenly split on whether Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) would be a more effective president, but strongMAGA Republicans say that’s Trump, 70 percent to 9 percent.
The Suffolk poll also has 28 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans saying that Trump was a “great president,” compared to 63 percent of Trump-first/MAGA supporters.
5. MAGA is more extreme on 2020, Jan. 6, news, vaccines — and Putin
MAGA Republicans are, as befits their hero, more conspiratorial and extreme.
The Suffolk poll (conducted shortly after Jan. 6) showed 89 percent of Trump-first/MAGA Republicans said Biden wasn’t a legitimately elected president, compared to 59 percent of party-first/non-MAGA ones.
Just one-quarter said Jan. 6 was a “riot” or “insurrection” (it was both), compared to more than 4 in 10 party-first/non-MAGA Republicans.
At the time, Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were more likely to list either Newsmax or One America News as their most trusted news source (4 in 10) than to name Fox News (32 percent). Those outlets had gone even further than Fox to promote Trump’s stolen-election fantasy. Only 15 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans preferred those outlets.
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were also twice as likely as party-first/non-MAGA supporters to say they wouldn’t get the coronavirusvaccine.
And a recent poll from Vanderbilt University showed a particularly pronounced gap on the question of who was the better president, Biden or Russia’s Vladimir Putin. While 70 percent of non-MAGA Republicans said Biden was better, 52 percent of MAGA Republicans preferred Putin.
6. Even non-MAGA is falling in line with Trump
The splits in the ways MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans approach the 2024 election are perhaps unsurprising. But what’s interesting is how much even non-MAGA Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
The Monmouth poll in March showed Trump underwater among non-MAGA Republicans, 39 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. But that result has since flipped, with them now liking Trump 55 percent to 34 percent.
Over that span, Trump has turned a 33-19 deficit against DeSantis among non-MAGA Republicans in a crowded field into a slight 24-19 advantage.
A majority of non-MAGA Republicans now say Trump is probably the party’s strongest general election candidate, while only 29 percent saying DeSantis would be stronger.
Needless to say, if Trump is winning non-MAGA Republicans, he is going to win the nomination.
7. MAGA turns on Trump critics — fast
MAGA Republicans are, of course, willing to turn on a dime against anybody who runs afoul of Trump.
And it’s not just former Trump vice president Pence; it’s also the two most forceful Trump critics in the field. Strong MAGA Republicans absolutely despise former Trump ally Chris Christie (6 percent favorable, 70 percent unfavorable in the Monmouth poll), and the ones who know about former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson feel much the same about him (6 percent favorable to 28 percent unfavorable).
Gee, I wonder if there’s anyone who can explain why we should consider supporting this party and their Dear Leader, POOTWH? Hmmmmmmm.
7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans
When Vice President Mike Pencedeclined to help President Donald Trump overturn the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, he foreclosed whatever chance Trump had of staying in the White House — and probably any path Pence might have had of becoming president.
The reason? Pence split the Republican Party along MAGA lines. In a new CBS News/YouGov poll, non-MAGA Republicans say that Pence did the right thing, 48 percent to 15 percent, but MAGA Republicans disapprove by a 2-to-1 margin. And Monmouth University polling from last month showed that while even non-MAGA Republicans are iffy on Pence, “strong” MAGA Republicans detest him: Just 22 percent had a favorable impression, while 60 percent had an unfavorable one.
The MAGA split in the GOP is perhaps best exemplified by Pence’s travails, but that’s hardly the only area showing significant gaps.
Polling has occasionally asked Republicans whether they identify with the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement, and we reached out to pollsters to get breakdowns on how these two sides of the party differ. Below are some of the most interesting findings.
To start with, polls generally show that 4 to 5 in 10 Republican-leaning voters identify as MAGA. A Grinnell College poll late last year pegged the number at 42 percent. And the Monmouth poll last month showed that 31 percent identify as “strong” MAGA supporters, 21 percent identify as “somewhat” MAGA supporters, and 38 percent don’t support MAGA.
1. MAGA is more evangelical, conservative
While Trump strikes few as the embodiment of the evangelical Christian faith, the MAGA movement is much more evangelical than not.
Strong MAGA supporters identify as evangelicals 60 percent to 39 percent in Monmouth polling, but those who lean Republican and don’t support the MAGA movement are nonevangelical by a similar margin, 59 percent to 36 percent.
MAGA is also more conservative. In the Monmouth poll, 6 in 10 “very conservative” voters identify at least somewhat with MAGA, while 60 percent of moderates identify as non-MAGA.
Suffolk University in a 2021 polloffered something of an analog: not whether voters described themselves as MAGA, but whether they were more loyal to Trump (akin to MAGA) or the GOP as a party (akin to non-MAGA). It found similar differences in these demographics, but relatively little differences across age, gender, region, income and education.
2. MAGA is less wedded to the Republican Party
Not only are MAGA supporters more conservative, but the Grinnell College poll showed that 65 percent of them identify as “strong” Republicans, compared to just 36 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
That shouldn’t be mistaken for devotion to the party. The Suffolk poll showed Trump-first/MAGA supporters as less favorable toward the GOP (56 percent favorable to 29 percent unfavorable) than non-MAGA/party-first Republicans (70 percent favorable to 15 percent unfavorable).
The Trump-first/MAGA supporters also said, 74 percent to 8 percent, that they would back a Trump-run third party, while the party-first crowd said it would stick with the GOP in that scenario, 58 percent to 15 percent.
3. MAGA is more rigid
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans are more rigid in their views in the Suffolk poll.
They prefer that Republicans stand up to President Biden, even if it means getting little done, over compromising to accomplish things, 75 percent to 16 percent. Party-first/non-MAGA Republicans are more open to compromise, though they still prefer the former approach, 48-37.
Party-first and non-MAGA supporters are also slightly less disapproving of Biden (though all groups overwhelmingly disapprove). And non-MAGA Republicans are more willing to vote for Democrats, with AP VoteCast data showing that 10 percent crossed over in the 2022 House elections — a stat that cost the GOP dearly. (Just 2 percent of MAGA supporters voted for Democrats.)
4. MAGA is much more devoted to Trump
This goes without saying; MAGA is Trump’s movement, after all. But the degree is often striking.
In the Monmouth poll, 61 percent of MAGA Republicans say they aren’t at all concerned about Trump’s indictments, compared to 39 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
The same poll shows non-MAGA supporters about evenly split on whether Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) would be a more effective president, but strongMAGA Republicans say that’s Trump, 70 percent to 9 percent.
The Suffolk poll also has 28 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans saying that Trump was a “great president,” compared to 63 percent of Trump-first/MAGA supporters.
5. MAGA is more extreme on 2020, Jan. 6, news, vaccines — and Putin
MAGA Republicans are, as befits their hero, more conspiratorial and extreme.
The Suffolk poll (conducted shortly after Jan. 6) showed 89 percent of Trump-first/MAGA Republicans said Biden wasn’t a legitimately elected president, compared to 59 percent of party-first/non-MAGA ones.
Just one-quarter said Jan. 6 was a “riot” or “insurrection” (it was both), compared to more than 4 in 10 party-first/non-MAGA Republicans.
At the time, Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were more likely to list either Newsmax or One America News as their most trusted news source (4 in 10) than to name Fox News (32 percent). Those outlets had gone even further than Fox to promote Trump’s stolen-election fantasy. Only 15 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans preferred those outlets.
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were also twice as likely as party-first/non-MAGA supporters to say they wouldn’t get the coronavirusvaccine.
And a recent poll from Vanderbilt University showed a particularly pronounced gap on the question of who was the better president, Biden or Russia’s Vladimir Putin. While 70 percent of non-MAGA Republicans said Biden was better, 52 percent of MAGA Republicans preferred Putin.
6. Even non-MAGA is falling in line with Trump
The splits in the ways MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans approach the 2024 election are perhaps unsurprising. But what’s interesting is how much even non-MAGA Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
The Monmouth poll in March showed Trump underwater among non-MAGA Republicans, 39 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. But that result has since flipped, with them now liking Trump 55 percent to 34 percent.
Over that span, Trump has turned a 33-19 deficit against DeSantis among non-MAGA Republicans in a crowded field into a slight 24-19 advantage.
A majority of non-MAGA Republicans now say Trump is probably the party’s strongest general election candidate, while only 29 percent saying DeSantis would be stronger.
Needless to say, if Trump is winning non-MAGA Republicans, he is going to win the nomination.
7. MAGA turns on Trump critics — fast
MAGA Republicans are, of course, willing to turn on a dime against anybody who runs afoul of Trump.
And it’s not just former Trump vice president Pence; it’s also the two most forceful Trump critics in the field. Strong MAGA Republicans absolutely despise former Trump ally Chris Christie (6 percent favorable, 70 percent unfavorable in the Monmouth poll), and the ones who know about former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson feel much the same about him (6 percent favorable to 28 percent unfavorable).
I could have sworn you dislike the whole party yet you show a difference between them?
Dude, it’s WaPo and different polling. And it illustrates that the repub party is dead and is wholly owned by POOTWH. Because at the end of the day, POOTWH will be their nominee, they’ll still all vote for him and would flock to him in a third party run. Just ask Chris.
Maybe there is hope? Plandemic is coming. From Letter From An American.
As Democratic strategist and pollster Celinda Lake and documentary filmmaker Mac Heller pointed out in the Washington Post in July, in the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, 32 million Americans have become eligible to vote. In the same eight years, as many as 20 million older voters have died.
Seeing how the gun violence thread got closed, hasn’t reopened and repubs love them some guns, I’ll put this here.
Guns killed a record number of U.S. children in 2021, study finds
Guns killed a record number of children in the United States in 2021, exceeding the peak registered in the first year of the pandemic, according to a new analysis of CDC data.
The report said 4,752 children died from a firearm injury in 2021 — an increase of almost 42 percent from 2018. The study, published in the journal American Academy of Pediatrics, found nearly half of those who died in 2021 were Black and about 85 percent were males.
The analysis, which looked at children and adolescents from newborn to age 19, found nearly two-thirds of the deaths among children in 2021 were homicides, almost 30 percent were suicides and 3.5 percent resulted from “unintentional injury.”
The research also found that, among that group, a majority of firearm homicides were Black children killed by gun-related injuries, while White children accounted for a majority of firearms suicides. Adolescents between 15 and 19 years old accounted for most of the gun-related deaths.
Black children — who have long suffered the highest gun death ratesamong racial and ethnic groups — saw the greatest increase in death rate, the report said, noting that the data showed racial and socioeconomic disparities had increased. “Across the United States, higher poverty levels correlated with higher death rates from guns,” the AAP said.
The figures make 2021 the second year in a row in which guns were the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the United States, surpassing cars, drug overdoses and cancer.
In 2020, firearms for the first time killed more children and adolescents than car accidents, which had long been the leading cause of death for young people, and gun deaths continued to outpace cars for that age group in 2021, a Washington Post analysis found last year. The increase was driven by the number of Black youths killed by firearms.
The research published this week said the rise in firearm deaths among children in 2020 had “garnered national attention” and gave rise to theories that it was driven by the onset of pandemic lockdowns, but firearm deaths “strikingly” persisted as the leading cause in 2021.
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“The numbers speak for themselves. This is one of our chief public health crises,” said Dr. Chethan Sathya, a pediatric trauma surgeon and lead author of the analysis published this week.
“In the operating room and across our communities, we continue to see an increase in gun violence among children,” said Sathya, who heads the Northwell Health Center for Gun Violence Prevention. “Our research reiterates the need for action now to bend this horrific curb.”
The analysis was released as Tennessee lawmakers held a special session on Monday called by the governor after a shooting at a private school in Nashville earlier this year killed three children and three adults.
In recent months, a string of deadly shootings involving children have been reported, including a 4-year-old girl who was accidentally shot dead by another child in Illinois, and just last week, a 9-year-old in Florida who fatally shot a 6-year-old in the head, police said.
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Any repubs on here want to comment. Has POOTWH already won? If I recall, there was sharp criticism directed at dems because the thought was there wouldn’t be any dem debates. But in MAGA world you just declare yourself the winner and not show up? Sounds right.
Trump campaign declares he ‘already won’ debate, hours before it starts
Any repubs on here want to comment. Has POOTWH already won? If I recall, there was sharp criticism directed at dems because the thought was there wouldn’t be any dem debates. But in MAGA world you just declare yourself the winner and not show up? Sounds right.
Trump campaign declares he ‘already won’ debate, hours before it starts
Hasn't he kinda already won all this? He has the nomination if he wants it at the moment...if he isn't in jail or ineligible due to his crimes.
But it's hard to argue against the belief that he doesn't need to show up
Any repubs on here want to comment. Has POOTWH already won? If I recall, there was sharp criticism directed at dems because the thought was there wouldn’t be any dem debates. But in MAGA world you just declare yourself the winner and not show up? Sounds right.
Trump campaign declares he ‘already won’ debate, hours before it starts
Hasn't he kinda already won all this? He has the nomination if he wants it at the moment...if he isn't in jail or ineligible due to his crimes.
But it's hard to argue against the belief that he doesn't need to show up
I really wanted POOTWH to show up because I’m genuinely interested in their specific policy proposals and I’m afraid it’s going to be a contest of who can be the most anti-woke and the biggest slinger of personal insults. I want to know what solutions they have for the issues we face. Ramaswamy wanting to raise the voting age to 25 is DOA but POOTWH’s proposal for a 10% tariff on all imports has traction among congressional repubs and some dems I assume. But POOTWH needs to be pressed on details and not let his word salad stand or get away with personal insults. He’s still the front runner for the nomination until he’s not.
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7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans
When Vice President Mike Pencedeclined to help President Donald Trump overturn the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, he foreclosed whatever chance Trump had of staying in the White House — and probably any path Pence might have had of becoming president.
The reason? Pence split the Republican Party along MAGA lines. In a new CBS News/YouGov poll, non-MAGA Republicans say that Pence did the right thing, 48 percent to 15 percent, but MAGA Republicans disapprove by a 2-to-1 margin. And Monmouth University polling from last month showed that while even non-MAGA Republicans are iffy on Pence, “strong” MAGA Republicans detest him: Just 22 percent had a favorable impression, while 60 percent had an unfavorable one.
The MAGA split in the GOP is perhaps best exemplified by Pence’s travails, but that’s hardly the only area showing significant gaps.
Polling has occasionally asked Republicans whether they identify with the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement, and we reached out to pollsters to get breakdowns on how these two sides of the party differ. Below are some of the most interesting findings.
To start with, polls generally show that 4 to 5 in 10 Republican-leaning voters identify as MAGA. A Grinnell College poll late last year pegged the number at 42 percent. And the Monmouth poll last month showed that 31 percent identify as “strong” MAGA supporters, 21 percent identify as “somewhat” MAGA supporters, and 38 percent don’t support MAGA.
1. MAGA is more evangelical, conservative
While Trump strikes few as the embodiment of the evangelical Christian faith, the MAGA movement is much more evangelical than not.
Strong MAGA supporters identify as evangelicals 60 percent to 39 percent in Monmouth polling, but those who lean Republican and don’t support the MAGA movement are nonevangelical by a similar margin, 59 percent to 36 percent.
MAGA is also more conservative. In the Monmouth poll, 6 in 10 “very conservative” voters identify at least somewhat with MAGA, while 60 percent of moderates identify as non-MAGA.
Suffolk University in a 2021 polloffered something of an analog: not whether voters described themselves as MAGA, but whether they were more loyal to Trump (akin to MAGA) or the GOP as a party (akin to non-MAGA). It found similar differences in these demographics, but relatively little differences across age, gender, region, income and education.
2. MAGA is less wedded to the Republican Party
Not only are MAGA supporters more conservative, but the Grinnell College poll showed that 65 percent of them identify as “strong” Republicans, compared to just 36 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
That shouldn’t be mistaken for devotion to the party. The Suffolk poll showed Trump-first/MAGA supporters as less favorable toward the GOP (56 percent favorable to 29 percent unfavorable) than non-MAGA/party-first Republicans (70 percent favorable to 15 percent unfavorable).
The Trump-first/MAGA supporters also said, 74 percent to 8 percent, that they would back a Trump-run third party, while the party-first crowd said it would stick with the GOP in that scenario, 58 percent to 15 percent.
3. MAGA is more rigid
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans are more rigid in their views in the Suffolk poll.
They prefer that Republicans stand up to President Biden, even if it means getting little done, over compromising to accomplish things, 75 percent to 16 percent. Party-first/non-MAGA Republicans are more open to compromise, though they still prefer the former approach, 48-37.
Party-first and non-MAGA supporters are also slightly less disapproving of Biden (though all groups overwhelmingly disapprove). And non-MAGA Republicans are more willing to vote for Democrats, with AP VoteCast data showing that 10 percent crossed over in the 2022 House elections — a stat that cost the GOP dearly. (Just 2 percent of MAGA supporters voted for Democrats.)
4. MAGA is much more devoted to Trump
This goes without saying; MAGA is Trump’s movement, after all. But the degree is often striking.
In the Monmouth poll, 61 percent of MAGA Republicans say they aren’t at all concerned about Trump’s indictments, compared to 39 percent of non-MAGA supporters.
The same poll shows non-MAGA supporters about evenly split on whether Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) would be a more effective president, but strongMAGA Republicans say that’s Trump, 70 percent to 9 percent.
The Suffolk poll also has 28 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans saying that Trump was a “great president,” compared to 63 percent of Trump-first/MAGA supporters.
5. MAGA is more extreme on 2020, Jan. 6, news, vaccines — and Putin
MAGA Republicans are, as befits their hero, more conspiratorial and extreme.
The Suffolk poll (conducted shortly after Jan. 6) showed 89 percent of Trump-first/MAGA Republicans said Biden wasn’t a legitimately elected president, compared to 59 percent of party-first/non-MAGA ones.
Just one-quarter said Jan. 6 was a “riot” or “insurrection” (it was both), compared to more than 4 in 10 party-first/non-MAGA Republicans.
At the time, Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were more likely to list either Newsmax or One America News as their most trusted news source (4 in 10) than to name Fox News (32 percent). Those outlets had gone even further than Fox to promote Trump’s stolen-election fantasy. Only 15 percent of party-first/non-MAGA Republicans preferred those outlets.
Trump-first/MAGA Republicans were also twice as likely as party-first/non-MAGA supporters to say they wouldn’t get the coronavirusvaccine.
And a recent poll from Vanderbilt University showed a particularly pronounced gap on the question of who was the better president, Biden or Russia’s Vladimir Putin. While 70 percent of non-MAGA Republicans said Biden was better, 52 percent of MAGA Republicans preferred Putin.
6. Even non-MAGA is falling in line with Trump
The splits in the ways MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans approach the 2024 election are perhaps unsurprising. But what’s interesting is how much even non-MAGA Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
The Monmouth poll in March showed Trump underwater among non-MAGA Republicans, 39 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. But that result has since flipped, with them now liking Trump 55 percent to 34 percent.
Over that span, Trump has turned a 33-19 deficit against DeSantis among non-MAGA Republicans in a crowded field into a slight 24-19 advantage.
A majority of non-MAGA Republicans now say Trump is probably the party’s strongest general election candidate, while only 29 percent saying DeSantis would be stronger.
Needless to say, if Trump is winning non-MAGA Republicans, he is going to win the nomination.
7. MAGA turns on Trump critics — fast
MAGA Republicans are, of course, willing to turn on a dime against anybody who runs afoul of Trump.
And it’s not just former Trump vice president Pence; it’s also the two most forceful Trump critics in the field. Strong MAGA Republicans absolutely despise former Trump ally Chris Christie (6 percent favorable, 70 percent unfavorable in the Monmouth poll), and the ones who know about former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson feel much the same about him (6 percent favorable to 28 percent unfavorable).
They also aren’t that enamored of former Trump United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley, who briefly tried to turn on Trump after Jan. 6. While 37 percent like her, 27 percent dislike her.
This points to perhaps MAGA’s greatest impact: Making anyone who parts with Trump regret it, and keeping the party in line in the process.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/22/maga-republicans-analysis/
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Guns killed a record number of U.S. children in 2021, study finds
Guns killed a record number of children in the United States in 2021, exceeding the peak registered in the first year of the pandemic, according to a new analysis of CDC data.
The report said 4,752 children died from a firearm injury in 2021 — an increase of almost 42 percent from 2018. The study, published in the journal American Academy of Pediatrics, found nearly half of those who died in 2021 were Black and about 85 percent were males.
The analysis, which looked at children and adolescents from newborn to age 19, found nearly two-thirds of the deaths among children in 2021 were homicides, almost 30 percent were suicides and 3.5 percent resulted from “unintentional injury.”
The research also found that, among that group, a majority of firearm homicides were Black children killed by gun-related injuries, while White children accounted for a majority of firearms suicides. Adolescents between 15 and 19 years old accounted for most of the gun-related deaths.
Black children — who have long suffered the highest gun death ratesamong racial and ethnic groups — saw the greatest increase in death rate, the report said, noting that the data showed racial and socioeconomic disparities had increased. “Across the United States, higher poverty levels correlated with higher death rates from guns,” the AAP said.
The figures make 2021 the second year in a row in which guns were the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the United States, surpassing cars, drug overdoses and cancer.
Guns killed more young people than cars did for the first time in 2020
In 2020, firearms for the first time killed more children and adolescents than car accidents, which had long been the leading cause of death for young people, and gun deaths continued to outpace cars for that age group in 2021, a Washington Post analysis found last year. The increase was driven by the number of Black youths killed by firearms.
The research published this week said the rise in firearm deaths among children in 2020 had “garnered national attention” and gave rise to theories that it was driven by the onset of pandemic lockdowns, but firearm deaths “strikingly” persisted as the leading cause in 2021.
Provisional CDC data from 2022 indicates that firearms remained the leading factor in child deaths, according to KFF and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
‘Please help me’: Kids with guns fueled a record number of school shootings in 2021
“The numbers speak for themselves. This is one of our chief public health crises,” said Dr. Chethan Sathya, a pediatric trauma surgeon and lead author of the analysis published this week.
“In the operating room and across our communities, we continue to see an increase in gun violence among children,” said Sathya, who heads the Northwell Health Center for Gun Violence Prevention. “Our research reiterates the need for action now to bend this horrific curb.”
Schools afraid of gun violence are requiring clear backpacks
The analysis was released as Tennessee lawmakers held a special session on Monday called by the governor after a shooting at a private school in Nashville earlier this year killed three children and three adults.
In recent months, a string of deadly shootings involving children have been reported, including a 4-year-old girl who was accidentally shot dead by another child in Illinois, and just last week, a 9-year-old in Florida who fatally shot a 6-year-old in the head, police said.
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