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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,531
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    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    It just comes down to common decency for me. One of the reasons I left the republican party was because I could tell that these wackos were gaining more and more power and were trying to eliminate or lessen the rights of certain kinds of people. And while those on the far left might seem a little odd and I might not agree with them all the time, you can just tell that they were/are the ones standing up for those peoples' rights that are being challenged by the republicans. 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,011
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,531
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,011
    The repubs, on the very eve of secession, were once known as the “Wide Awakes.” Fancy the fuck out of that! No wonder they’re currently so anti-“woke.”
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,011
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,671
    mickeyrat said:
    Twice actually... he lost the popular vote twice as I recall. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    Rapinoe also didn't drop a flag.
    I recall the incident where Allie Long dropped the flag while doing a choreographed routine w/ Rapinoe, (& one of her teammates quickly scooped it up) but I don't think it was anything other than absent mindedness.. It sure as shit didn't LOOK like any sort of deliberate statement or action. 

    If Rapinoe dropped the flag, it's news to me. 

    In googling the incident, there were were also questions "Did Rapinoe stomp on the American flag?" so I'm thinking people took that Allie Long incident and tried to make it appear way worse than it actually was. (unless I'm missing a whole other incident... I'm open to being corrected here)

    Based on what I've read and heard, I'm inclined to think Rapinoe's been built up as another RW boogey man (boogey woman / boogey person?) by Fox News because lets face it... hating women like Rapinoe resonates w/ Fox's audience. 
    That was the incident.  I thought she was holding the flag.  The stomping thing I never heard about until now.  I watched that in 2019 so forgive me if I remembered wrong as I knew she was in the clip I watched live years ago.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    Rapinoe also didn't drop a flag.
    I recall the incident where Allie Long dropped the flag while doing a choreographed routine w/ Rapinoe, (& one of her teammates quickly scooped it up) but I don't think it was anything other than absent mindedness.. It sure as shit didn't LOOK like any sort of deliberate statement or action. 

    If Rapinoe dropped the flag, it's news to me. 

    In googling the incident, there were were also questions "Did Rapinoe stomp on the American flag?" so I'm thinking people took that Allie Long incident and tried to make it appear way worse than it actually was. (unless I'm missing a whole other incident... I'm open to being corrected here)

    Based on what I've read and heard, I'm inclined to think Rapinoe's been built up as another RW boogey man (boogey woman / boogey person?) by Fox News because lets face it... hating women like Rapinoe resonates w/ Fox's audience. 
    You and I are in 100% agreement on this.  What they did was a rather standard soccer trophy celebration.  Dipshits with an agenda turned that into "She hates America!" and that pretty much brings us up to today.  
    Not what I was saying but what I had remembered, which was partially correct but Rapinoe did not have the flag in her hand..  Never said she hates America either.  
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    mickeyrat said:
    My hero, lol.  Why this man is still holding public office is beyond me.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,418
    The Juggler said: it's cookie so do I understand you to mean that demanding equal pay for equal work including
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  

    Do I understand you to mean that standing up for or kneeling with  marginalized communities, demanding equal pay or Equitable pay for equal work standing up for lgbtq folks of what she is a lesbian. That these are in fact far left extremist points of view basic human fucking decency is a far left extremist point of view?

    Alrighty then.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,848
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,531
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    mrussel1 said:
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
    Here we go again...

    We won't come to any common ground on this so let's just move on.
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    VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 1,969
    Rapinoe also didn't drop a flag.
    I recall the incident where Allie Long dropped the flag while doing a choreographed routine w/ Rapinoe, (& one of her teammates quickly scooped it up) but I don't think it was anything other than absent mindedness.. It sure as shit didn't LOOK like any sort of deliberate statement or action. 

    If Rapinoe dropped the flag, it's news to me. 

    In googling the incident, there were were also questions "Did Rapinoe stomp on the American flag?" so I'm thinking people took that Allie Long incident and tried to make it appear way worse than it actually was. (unless I'm missing a whole other incident... I'm open to being corrected here)

    Based on what I've read and heard, I'm inclined to think Rapinoe's been built up as another RW boogey man (boogey woman / boogey person?) by Fox News because lets face it... hating women like Rapinoe resonates w/ Fox's audience. 
    You and I are in 100% agreement on this.  What they did was a rather standard soccer trophy celebration.  Dipshits with an agenda turned that into "She hates America!" and that pretty much brings us up to today.  
    Not what I was saying but what I had remembered, which was partially correct but Rapinoe did not have the flag in her hand..  Never said she hates America either.  
    My latest comment was not directed towards you; I did not state that you believed Rapinoe hated America.  My response to your original comment ("I knew Rapinoe dropped a flag") was simply correcting that mistake, but I wasn't trying to call you out (which is why I didn't quote you).  My response to Merkin Baller was in agreement to the line "RW boogey man...by Fox News", which again, was not meant to insinuate anything towards you or your beliefs.  Hope you don't take it that way.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    mickeyrat said:
    The Juggler said: it's cookie so do I understand you to mean that demanding equal pay for equal work including
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  

    Do I understand you to mean that standing up for or kneeling with  marginalized communities, demanding equal pay or Equitable pay for equal work standing up for lgbtq folks of what she is a lesbian. That these are in fact far left extremist points of view basic human fucking decency is a far left extremist point of view?

    Alrighty then.
    No, that is not what I mean...  You love putting words in peoples mouths...

    Move on.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,531
    mrussel1 said:
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
    Here we go again...

    We won't come to any common ground on this so let's just move on.
    Sorry man. I just think people like Marge Greene are so far off the spectrum, that there is no comparison on the other side. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,848
    mrussel1 said:
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
    Here we go again...

    We won't come to any common ground on this so let's just move on.
    I don't know that I"ve gone over this with you, so humor me.  Do you think legalized gay marriage is an extreme position?  Those are rights, along with all of the tax, end of life, and other benefits that come with that marriage.  
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,463
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
    Here we go again...

    We won't come to any common ground on this so let's just move on.
    I don't know that I"ve gone over this with you, so humor me.  Do you think legalized gay marriage is an extreme position?  Those are rights, along with all of the tax, end of life, and other benefits that come with that marriage.  
    This is why I wanted to move on.

    Never in the history of this forum have I been against the LBGT community yet I get these questions. It started with what I thought was something so simple as trying to point out which side of the aisle someone is on.  It was just that simple but just like anything on here that doesn't go with the flow, everyone piles on one part of a comment and it snowballs.

    To answer your question No, it should be a standard right.  Where on earth would you ever pull that from anyways?
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,671
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    I don't think supporting rights for LBGT people is extreme.  That's pretty mainstream and human.  There are "far left" people certainly, but this was not a good example. 
    I really don't like people comparing Marge Greene with someone on the other side of the political spectrum and simply saying something like "well one is far right and the other is far left." No. One is a racist, wackjob bigot. The other believes in rights for people MGT discriminates against. It's not the same thing. 
    That’s what I was trying to convey! You said better thanks
    There’s no comparison between the two sides. Sure, they each have their extremes but there’s no way that you can compare any member of the squad with what the repubs have in Matt Getts Off, Maggie Three Names, Lorena Bobbit, George Costanza or Josh Hee Hawley.

    If both sides were the same, Al Franken would still be in the senate and even if he were, it’d be a huge stretch to compare the two parties’ extremes as being the “same.”
    This is exactly right. Any non biased, independent person should be able to come to this conclusion if they are being honest with themself. Problem is there plenty of people who are not honest with themselves
    You guys are blowing this way out there...

    You have far left and far right, yes?  So you can compare them on a scale.  One is far left and one is far right.  On different points of a political scale which I tried to convey in that one is for LBGT rights and the other enjoys Gazpacho police.  It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

    It's called a political spectrum.  
    But it is not a normal political spectrum though. It's not like it used to be and we should not pretend it is. 

    Being for someone's right's is one thing, and shouldn't be labeled extreme, by the way.

    Being against those same people's rights is simply unamerican and not, in any way, equivalent to the other side of the spectrum. 
    Here we go again...

    We won't come to any common ground on this so let's just move on.
    I don't know that I"ve gone over this with you, so humor me.  Do you think legalized gay marriage is an extreme position?  Those are rights, along with all of the tax, end of life, and other benefits that come with that marriage.  
    This is why I wanted to move on.

    Never in the history of this forum have I been against the LBGT community yet I get these questions. It started with what I thought was something so simple as trying to point out which side of the aisle someone is on.  It was just that simple but just like anything on here that doesn't go with the flow, everyone piles on one part of a comment and it snowballs.

    To answer your question No, it should be a standard right.  Where on earth would you ever pull that from anyways?

    I say this respectfully, as I don't want to do the piling on thing.... it was a bad comparison / analogy.  
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,671
    edited August 2023
    Rapinoe also didn't drop a flag.
    I recall the incident where Allie Long dropped the flag while doing a choreographed routine w/ Rapinoe, (& one of her teammates quickly scooped it up) but I don't think it was anything other than absent mindedness.. It sure as shit didn't LOOK like any sort of deliberate statement or action. 

    If Rapinoe dropped the flag, it's news to me. 

    In googling the incident, there were were also questions "Did Rapinoe stomp on the American flag?" so I'm thinking people took that Allie Long incident and tried to make it appear way worse than it actually was. (unless I'm missing a whole other incident... I'm open to being corrected here)

    Based on what I've read and heard, I'm inclined to think Rapinoe's been built up as another RW boogey man (boogey woman / boogey person?) by Fox News because lets face it... hating women like Rapinoe resonates w/ Fox's audience. 
    That was the incident.  I thought she was holding the flag.  The stomping thing I never heard about until now.  I watched that in 2019 so forgive me if I remembered wrong as I knew she was in the clip I watched live years ago.
    There's nothing to forgive, I get shit wrong all the time. (fyi, the next part of my comment isn't directed at you personally, it just came to me when talking / thinking / reading up on this)  

    My takeaway from this world cup appearance is the extent to which the WNT has been vilified by RW media, They were criticized this summer for not singing along w/ the anthem... when did that become a thing? (spoiler: it's not a thing and has never been a thing, but this summer it was made into a thing in order to criticize them for being anti-American... it's bullshit propaganda to what end? Stoking Americans' hatred of the other end of the spectrum, which is what Fox does... they have to keep their audience angry) 

    Rapinoe specifically... she didn't drop the flag, but the impression is out there that she did, and worse... if google prompts the question of her stomping on the flag it tells me people have searched that... that tells me the rumor exists.

    I remember at the time a co-worker being pissed that the WNT threw the flag to the ground, and after watching the video, that's not what I saw... this co-worker was angry about it because Fox news told him he should be angry about it. 
     
    It's fucked up just how much Fox & others are twisting things to keep people mad & coming back.
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