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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
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    it was only a matter of time. and then in a few days, that sack of shit press sec will explain it away as trump being misunderstood (more lies). 

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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    dignin said:
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    brianlux said:
    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
     The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    He’s just being investigated right now. 

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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    JW269453 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    Maybe it’s geographical?  Here, there are plenty of MS-13 issues.  When I was counseling families, there were major issues with MS-13 and other gangs trying to jump in new youth and having them do their dealings because of their young age and how they get records expunged up to age 18.  It was a major issue due to the local demographics.  Usually their violence was just directed at other competing gangs, not innocent bystanders.
    We do not get many of the “antifa” agitators in this area, though, they seem to congregate in large liberal cities that let their shit go unchecked.  Organized group or not, there have been many instances of people claiming “antifa” beating and harassing innocent people, burning private businesses, and now get to add murder to their list of deplorableness.
    So what you're saying is it's more of a local issue than a national issue. 


    MS-13 is NOT a national issue. 
    It is only an issue in the neighborhoods where there are large immigrant and undocumented immigrant Hispanic populations. In particular El Salvadorians.
    They prey on those more afraid of being deported  then they are of MS-13.
    Having once lived near an FBi designated MS-13 "hotspot" I never once felt or was actually  threatened  by them.

    MS-13 is NOT a threat to those that think they are a threat.
    No one ever said here that it is a national issue. In fact it was only brought up because of the website and saying it was probably just a scare tactic. You responded by calling Antifa and MS13 trump’s boogeyman. I took that as saying it’s not real and just made up.
    I don’t think anyone here lives in fear of antifa of MS13, but denying they exist is ridiculous.
    Yup they exist
    But they are NOT a threat to the average American.
    Once again it is just a FEAR tactic being spun by the lying racist xenophobic piece-of-shit-in-chief. 
    Its like the Red Scare of the 1950s. Communists were not an actual threat to average Americans but republicans wanted people to believe it.
    Again, so things need to be a common threat to the average person to be of enough concern to do anything about it?
    When I hear about MS13 I don’t think of just them, but all gang violence. MS13 is just often considered the most violent.
    I don’t live in fear of gang violence. But it’s a problem. A big problem. A much bigger problem than police killings from any measure.
    The single biggest factor of gun violence is gangs. The biggest killer of blacks are other blacks, most of that is gang violence.  Gang activity is a large contribution to the jail system. 
    It’s taboo and will often get you call racist for bringing up those facts, but treats what they are, facts. Police violence isn’t even a dot on the radar when compared to gang violence. 
    Again, that doesn’t mean I’m not for police reform. But why can’t we talk about gangs? It’s not the boogeyman, it’s the bigger issue if anything.
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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

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    The sheriff of Kenosha is clearly angling for a cabinet position in the current regime....


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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    edited September 2020
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    JW269453 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden and Trump because we're not even talking about them. But since you're interested for some reason, if the comparison is Biden's attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good. 
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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
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    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    The low bar being incitement? Well yeah, I guess it can't get any lower than that.

    But I'm sure it made a few people here happy. Anything to stick it to Antifa.
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
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    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    JW269453 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


    Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
    Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

    Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
    Unless it shows up in the polls. 
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
    Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
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    JW269453 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


    Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
    Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

    Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.
    Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.
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    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
    Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
    Suggesting that a third-party candidate is equivalent to a major party candidate is laughable. And you know that. Funny how you’ve changed the conversation from you blaming the victim of the Portland shooting for his own death to third-party presidential candidates. What a joke. 
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    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
    Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
    Suggesting that a third-party candidate is equivalent to a major party candidate is laughable. And you know that. Funny how you’ve changed the conversation from you blaming the victim of the Portland shooting for his own death to third-party presidential candidates. What a joke. 
    Just taking a play out of PJPower’s book but I don’t recall you condemning him for blaming the victims in Kenosha. Why is that?

    What is a joke is that you’re demanding Sleepy Woke Joe “do something” or “say something” about the riots and dismiss that he has, repeatedly, spoken out about it. He can’t “do anything” about it because he doesn’t have access to the levers of power to do something. But all of that is lost on you and yet, your candidate, whomever it is, isn’t held to the same standard by you. Shouldn’t even be running for POTUS if they can’t express their opinion about the rioting. Thanks for the laugh, what a joke.
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    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


    Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
    Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

    Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.
    Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.
    You just called it a hoax, twice. I didn’t make that up. You said you haven’t interacted with anyone from MS13 and therefore is of no concern. I quoted you in that a couple replies ago. I’ve asked you twice to clarify and you just respond by saying I’m making stuff up. What am I suppose to infer by that? I have to conclude you believe they aren’t a threat and the violence isn’t real, or made up.

    I’ve never claimed to be a trump supporter. I don’t like Trump, I thought Hilary was an equally bad option, and think the same of Biden. I’d vote third party except I’ve always thought of third party votes as a copout, just a way to get the I voted sticker without taking any responsibility of a vote. So I’m not sure what I’m doing this election.
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    Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

    http://www.antifa.com

    If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 
    Strange indeed!  WTF?
    My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 
    That is exactly what happened.

    I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

    All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
    You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
    The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

    But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

    You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
    Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

    I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

    Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.




    I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

    I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


    Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
    Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

    Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.
    Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.
    You just called it a hoax, twice. I didn’t make that up. You said you haven’t interacted with anyone from MS13 and therefore is of no concern. I quoted you in that a couple replies ago. I’ve asked you twice to clarify and you just respond by saying I’m making stuff up. What am I suppose to infer by that? I have to conclude you believe they aren’t a threat and the violence isn’t real, or made up.

    I’ve never claimed to be a trump supporter. I don’t like Trump, I thought Hilary was an equally bad option, and think the same of Biden. I’d vote third party except I’ve always thought of third party votes as a copout, just a way to get the I voted sticker without taking any responsibility of a vote. So I’m not sure what I’m doing this election.
    You can infer that I don't like it when people say I say stuff that I didn't say. Honesty is kinda a big thing for me. If I said that, it's really easy to quote it and highlight it. 

    It's really easy to admit when you're wrong, I've done it already today when I misread someone's comment.

    Also, glad to see you no longer support Trump.
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    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
    Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
    Suggesting that a third-party candidate is equivalent to a major party candidate is laughable. And you know that. Funny how you’ve changed the conversation from you blaming the victim of the Portland shooting for his own death to third-party presidential candidates. What a joke. 
    Just taking a play out of PJPower’s book but I don’t recall you condemning him for blaming the victims in Kenosha. Why is that?

    What is a joke is that you’re demanding Sleepy Woke Joe “do something” or “say something” about the riots and dismiss that he has, repeatedly, spoken out about it. He can’t “do anything” about it because he doesn’t have access to the levers of power to do something. But all of that is lost on you and yet, your candidate, whomever it is, isn’t held to the same standard by you. Shouldn’t even be running for POTUS if they can’t express their opinion about the rioting. Thanks for the laugh, what a joke.
    I’m not demanding anything of Joe. He talked today. I said I’d like to see him take actual questions from real reporters. Not from Cardi B. And not from
    media outlets that won’t challenge him on anything. 

    And I don’t recall those posts by PJPower. I don’t read every post on this board like you do. But yeah, l’d disagree with him if he was excusing the 17-year-old based on the legality of a self-defense defense when the 17-year-old showed up there looking for trouble. 

    And I don’t have a candidate, obviously. I’m just not voting for either Trump or Biden. 
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