If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself.
Strange indeed! WTF?
My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange.
That is exactly what happened.
I can't believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.
All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.
Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!
You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?
The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.
But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.
You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.
Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are.
I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.
Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.
I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?
I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.
Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.
Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“ and ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.” After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped. If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list. If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that.
And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?
Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too. Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.
Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.
Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.
You just called it a hoax, twice. I didn’t make that up. You said you haven’t interacted with anyone from MS13 and therefore is of no concern. I quoted you in that a couple replies ago. I’ve asked you twice to clarify and you just respond by saying I’m making stuff up. What am I suppose to infer by that? I have to conclude you believe they aren’t a threat and the violence isn’t real, or made up.
I’ve never claimed to be a trump supporter. I don’t like Trump, I thought Hilary was an equally bad option, and think the same of Biden. I’d vote third party except I’ve always thought of third party votes as a copout, just a way to get the I voted sticker without taking any responsibility of a vote. So I’m not sure what I’m doing this election.
You can infer that I don't like it when people say I say stuff that I didn't say. Honesty is kinda a big thing for me. If I said that, it's really easy to quote it and highlight it.
It's really easy to admit when you're wrong, I've done it already today when I misread someone's comment.
Also, glad to see you no longer support Trump.
I did that. Which is also why I asked you to clarify so I don’t misread or infer Incorrectly.
As far as I could tell you said I was making stuff up, then repeated it by saying again it’s a hoax. Is it the “made up” that got you hung up? Should I have said “exaggerated” instead?
antifa exists, whether you think so or not. are they an "official" organization? no, but neither are the white racists that carry confederate flags. they're just a bunch of racists that call themselves that. do they exist and share a similar ideology? yes.
i don't know that anyone has said they are afraid of antifa. just that people who call themselves antifa are sometimes not representing the cause very well.
Yeah, Antifa, and racists are loosely organized groups at best, but they certainly do exist.
As an example: In 1970, I agreed (with much hesitation and humiliation) to become a member of an organization a friend at the time proposed: UAOA: United Assholes of America. He declared himself president and chief asshole and wanted me to be treasurer. Fortunately, we never had a meeting and I never collected any dues. I think the next time we got together we got drunk. Anyway, the point is, we never had cards or signed an agreement or anything. We were just assholes.
So what you're telling us is that you're essentially ground zero for the asshole movement in this country? Thanks Brian.
it was only a matter of time. and then in a few days, that sack of shit press sec will explain it away as trump being misunderstood (more lies).
Trump's greenlighting this shit. Patriot Prayer right wing fu*knuts have another Portland gathering scheduled for late September. Hold on to your favorite PJ hat because sadly this could be really ugly.
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antifa exists, whether you think so or not. are they an "official" organization? no, but neither are the white racists that carry confederate flags. they're just a bunch of racists that call themselves that. do they exist and share a similar ideology? yes.
i don't know that anyone has said they are afraid of antifa. just that people who call themselves antifa are sometimes not representing the cause very well.
Yeah, Antifa, and racists are loosely organized groups at best, but they certainly do exist.
As an example: In 1970, I agreed (with much hesitation and humiliation) to become a member of an organization a friend at the time proposed: UAOA: United Assholes of America. He declared himself president and chief asshole and wanted me to be treasurer. Fortunately, we never had a meeting and I never collected any dues. I think the next time we got together we got drunk. Anyway, the point is, we never had cards or signed an agreement or anything. We were just assholes.
So what you're telling us is that you're essentially ground zero for the asshole movement in this country? Thanks Brian.
WAS, my friend, WAS! I have been cured by this good fellow:
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I still can't get over the fact that this conversation doesn't happen if senseless violence doesn't occur to black men and women at the hands of police. Once again, the message is lost by focusing on a downstream result. We would have nothing to fear, if black men and women were treated equally to white men and women.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
Can there be reform in how to initially apprehend a suspect? It seems like more often than not this starts with resistance and escalates. I'm not in the camp of taking away a police officers right toward forceful apprehension, but it's the escalation that usually leads to something grave. What can be done from law enforcement's end to prevent escalation? Maybe nothing in this particular situation, but more often that not it seems to ramp up without a cop being punched in the face or something of the like.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
^ Just to expand on this. I don't expect the people in this thread to figure this out. It's up to the legislature to start taking the first step. However, the republican law makers just blew off Governor Evers request to convene to discuss potential reform from the fallout from Jacob Blake. This shit will keep going on until there are bipartisan efforts.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
Can there be reform in how to initially apprehend a suspect? It seems like more often than not this starts with resistance and escalates. I'm not in the camp of taking away a police officers right toward forceful apprehension, but it's the escalation that usually leads to something grave. What can be done from law enforcement's end to prevent escalation? Maybe nothing in this particular situation, but more often that not it seems to ramp up without a cop being punched in the face or something of the like.
All good questions that need to be answered by folks with more control of the situation than you and I.
^ Just to expand on this. I don't expect the people in this thread to figure this out. It's up to the legislature to start taking the first step. However, the republican law makers just blew off Governor Evers request to convene to discuss potential reform from the fallout from Jacob Blake. This shit will keep going on until there are bipartisan efforts.
We agree fully. My post above was written before I read this and pretty much mirrors the response. I just don't want cops to be in fear of doing what is sometimes necessary due to the potential backlash. It seems to be trending in that direction.
Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"
And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."
Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game”
So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished!
I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings.
Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.
See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something.
No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.
And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's.
You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?
Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....
"I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
I thought Biden had a great response today.
With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B.
Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days.
Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
Suggesting that a third-party candidate is equivalent to a major party candidate is laughable. And you know that. Funny how you’ve changed the conversation from you blaming the victim of the Portland shooting for his own death to third-party presidential candidates. What a joke.
Just taking a play out of PJPower’s book but I don’t recall you condemning him for blaming the victims in Kenosha. Why is that?
What is a joke is that you’re demanding Sleepy Woke Joe “do something” or “say something” about the riots and dismiss that he has, repeatedly, spoken out about it. He can’t “do anything” about it because he doesn’t have access to the levers of power to do something. But all of that is lost on you and yet, your candidate, whomever it is, isn’t held to the same standard by you. Shouldn’t even be running for POTUS if they can’t express their opinion about the rioting. Thanks for the laugh, what a joke.
I’m not demanding anything of Joe. He talked today. I said I’d like to see him take actual questions from real reporters. Not from Cardi B. And not from media outlets that won’t challenge him on anything.
And I don’t recall those posts by PJPower. I don’t read every post on this board like you do. But yeah, l’d disagree with him if he was excusing the 17-year-old based on the legality of a self-defense defense when the 17-year-old showed up there looking for trouble.
And I don’t have a candidate, obviously. I’m just not voting for either Trump or Biden.
Halifax is just upset that I don’t respond to him anymore and have put him on ignore. I couldn’t keep up with all of the strawman responses from him on every damn post.
On the topic, though, I have seen reports that the 17 year old actually worked at the business he was “protecting”, so he wasn’t just a random from out of state looking for trouble. That being said, I do not condone any illegal firearm activity and if he broke any firearm laws, he deserves to suffer the legal ramifications.
But yes, the thugs that attacked him in the videos were playing stupid games (illegally carrying handgun, assaulting with what could be considered deadly weapons in the legal sense). The person with the handgun that got his arm nearly blown off was admitting that he was going to shoot the 17 year old when he ran up to him. I don’t really see any innocent victims there other than all of us that have to witness this bullshit on a daily basis.
In Portland, I have yet to see a clear video, but it could be argued as self-defense if the guy shot was pointing a weapon at him (even bear mace). I don’t fall in line with others that think it’s the same situation as Kenosha, but some here were drooling for something like this to happen to a “Trumper” and that is a bit sickening and vision clouding.
I wish to see no shootings like the ones we’ve seen this week, none. But when violence has been encouraged by leaders, it is realistic to foresee these things as natural results. Stop unwarranted aggression towards Black people and violence lessens, stop arson and looting and violence lessens, stop assaulting random people and...well, that’s the most obvious one. I stand with Martin Luther King Jr. on this one (thanks for the quote @brianlux).
^ Just to expand on this. I don't expect the people in this thread to figure this out. It's up to the legislature to start taking the first step. However, the republican law makers just blew off Governor Evers request to convene to discuss potential reform from the fallout from Jacob Blake. This shit will keep going on until there are bipartisan efforts.
We agree fully. My post above was written before I read this and pretty much mirrors the response. I just don't want cops to be in fear of doing what is sometimes necessary due to the potential backlash. It seems to be trending in that direction.
I want to make clear I wasn't disagreeing with you either. I just don't believe the status quo is acceptable anymore.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
Well they gathered at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler's house last night, calling for his resignation, and lighting a fire in the street. So that's Durkan of Seattle, Lightfoot of Chicago, and now Wheeler of Portland who have minimized what's going on in their cities, only to have the mob show up at their homes.
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
As someone who is friends with law enforcement folks, you should know that the target was not a split-second decision; it was training. Center mass.
You are correct and there are plenty of valid reasons law enforcement is trained to do just that. I listed them out in another thread, but a google search for why they are trained to do this is a pretty easy way to get that info...
Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop. So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next. There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next. This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it. Think about that for a second. I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand. I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).
As someone who is friends with law enforcement folks, you should know that the target was not a split-second decision; it was training. Center mass.
I don't know all of their training methods based on different situations and circumstances, nor have I ever claimed to. I wouldn't expect my cop friends to know how to perform my job either.
Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"
And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."
Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game”
So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished!
I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings.
Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.
See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something.
No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.
And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's.
You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?
Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....
"I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
I thought Biden had a great response today.
With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B.
Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days.
Another false equivalency. Why am I not surprised?
Suggesting that a third-party candidate is equivalent to a major party candidate is laughable. And you know that. Funny how you’ve changed the conversation from you blaming the victim of the Portland shooting for his own death to third-party presidential candidates. What a joke.
Just taking a play out of PJPower’s book but I don’t recall you condemning him for blaming the victims in Kenosha. Why is that?
What is a joke is that you’re demanding Sleepy Woke Joe “do something” or “say something” about the riots and dismiss that he has, repeatedly, spoken out about it. He can’t “do anything” about it because he doesn’t have access to the levers of power to do something. But all of that is lost on you and yet, your candidate, whomever it is, isn’t held to the same standard by you. Shouldn’t even be running for POTUS if they can’t express their opinion about the rioting. Thanks for the laugh, what a joke.
I’m not demanding anything of Joe. He talked today. I said I’d like to see him take actual questions from real reporters. Not from Cardi B. And not from media outlets that won’t challenge him on anything.
And I don’t recall those posts by PJPower. I don’t read every post on this board like you do. But yeah, l’d disagree with him if he was excusing the 17-year-old based on the legality of a self-defense defense when the 17-year-old showed up there looking for trouble.
And I don’t have a candidate, obviously. I’m just not voting for either Trump or Biden.
Halifax is just upset that I don’t respond to him anymore and have put him on ignore. I couldn’t keep up with all of the strawman responses from him on every damn post.
On the topic, though, I have seen reports that the 17 year old actually worked at the business he was “protecting”, so he wasn’t just a random from out of state looking for trouble. That being said, I do not condone any illegal firearm activity and if he broke any firearm laws, he deserves to suffer the legal ramifications.
But yes, the thugs that attacked him in the videos were playing stupid games (illegally carrying handgun, assaulting with what could be considered deadly weapons in the legal sense). The person with the handgun that got his arm nearly blown off was admitting that he was going to shoot the 17 year old when he ran up to him. I don’t really see any innocent victims there other than all of us that have to witness this bullshit on a daily basis.
In Portland, I have yet to see a clear video, but it could be argued as self-defense if the guy shot was pointing a weapon at him (even bear mace). I don’t fall in line with others that think it’s the same situation as Kenosha, but some here were drooling for something like this to happen to a “Trumper” and that is a bit sickening and vision clouding.
I wish to see no shootings like the ones we’ve seen this week, none. But when violence has been encouraged by leaders, it is realistic to foresee these things as natural results. Stop unwarranted aggression towards Black people and violence lessens, stop arson and looting and violence lessens, stop assaulting random people and...well, that’s the most obvious one. I stand with Martin Luther King Jr. on this one (thanks for the quote @brianlux).
Replace "Trumper" with BLM or ANTIFA, what with every social media post shared claiming it was a BLM'er or ANTIFA member, whatever that is, responsible for the mayhem in the video. No condemnation of Umbrella Man though. Funny that. And if you're wondering, not PJPower as he has me on ignore, if you've read my posts or been around for awhile, you know which side I'm on and where I stand on violence. Unlike some, I don't need to post it or express it. At least I'm consistent that way. Understanding does not equate to condoning.
I'd like to see an example of "some here drooling for something like this to happen," but I'll never see it as it doesn't exist. Talk about "strawman responses."
For those still doubting the concept or should I say, the reality of systemic racism. Just one more, in a very long, long, fucking long line of shit handed down because of the color of one's skin.
52 former franchisees accuse McDonald’s of racial discrimination in lawsuit
The complaint alleges the fast-food giant intentionally placed Black franchise owners in economically depressed markets and set them up for failure
September 1, 2020 at 4:14 p.m. EDT
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More than four dozen former franchise owners, all Black, have accused McDonald’s of “systematic and covert racial discrimination” and of setting them up to fail, despite the company’s public commitment to racial equality.
In a federal lawsuit filed late Monday, the 52 plaintiffs allege the company intentionally placed their restaurants in economically depressed and high-crime locations that had higher operating costs, frequent employee turnover and lower sales. The conditions positioned them for lower profits and failure — a “financial suicide mission” — the lawsuit said.
The plaintiffs, whose franchises date to 1981 and who left the company within the past decade, also allege that McDonald’s retaliated against Black franchisees who rejected being placed in high-crime communities; denied them financial support and assistance often afforded to White franchise owners; unfairly graded Black-owned operations, which led to poor internal reviews and pushed out those franchisees; and misled Black entrepreneurs into purchasing franchises in challenging locations.
McDonald’s denied the allegations, saying they “fly in the face of everything we stand for as an organization and as a partner to communities and small business owners around the world.”
“Not only do we categorically deny the allegations that these franchisees were unable to succeed because of any form of discrimination by McDonald’s, we are confident that the facts will show how committed we are to the diversity and equal opportunity of the McDonald’s System, including across our franchisees, suppliers and employees,” the company said in an emailed statement.
McDonald’s is among the corporate giants that pledged to play a bigger role in combating systemic racism following the death of George Floyd, a Black man who was killed May 25 in police custody in Minneapolis. The ensuing protests galvanized a national moment amid a pandemic that has taken an outsize toll on Black Americans. At the end of July, McDonald’s updated its corporate values with a statement of commitment to diversity and inclusion, including plans to attract and recruit “diverse franchisees,” without defining the terms of diversity.
James Ferraro, the Florida-based lawyer representing the plaintiffs, said the “notion that McDonald’s is a friend of the Black entrepreneur is complete fiction,” according to a news release. “McDonald’s has been hemorrhaging Black franchisees for decades due to blatant and implicit racial discrimination. The company will now be held accountable.”
The complaint alleges the plaintiffs averaged $2 million a year in sales — $700,000 less than the company’s national average from 2011 to 2016 and $900,000 less than the 2019 average. That led to an exodus of Black franchisees, the suit says, from 400 in 1998 to less than 200 today, even as the number of McDonald’s franchises doubled.
The plaintiffs are seeking compensatory damages from $4 million to $5 million per store for the more than 200 locations operated by the former franchisees. The complaint, which seeks a jury trial, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division, where McDonald’s is based. The plaintiffs operated franchises in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia, according to the complaint.
“The world will soon see how these 52 people of color risked everything on the Golden Arches only to be kept down, marginalized and driven to ruin,” Ferraro said. “Black lives matter on the streets, in our communities and they matter in Corporate America.”
McDonald’s said in its statement that it places Black franchisees in all types of communities and denied allegations that it forces franchise owners into underperforming markets or that franchisees do not have a say in what locations they purchase. The company also contends it treats Black franchisees no differently from other franchisees and does not offer less financial support.
In a video sent to McDonald’s employees and suppliers, chief executive Chris Kempczinski said the company focuses on recruiting franchisees and suppliers from diverse backgrounds.
“Based upon our review, we disagree with the claims in this lawsuit and we intend to strongly defend against it,” Kempczinski said. “But I think it’s important in moments like this to remind ourselves what we do stand for. And as CEO, that’s a tone I intend to continuously set from the top. McDonald’s stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. I’m proud of the work we’ve done as a company to foster entrepreneurship, economic growth and mobility.”
McDonald’s also is in the midst of a legal fight with its former chief executive, Steve Easterbrook, who was fired in November for violating corporate policy that forbids managers from having relationships with subordinates. Last month, the company filed a lawsuit to recover Easterbrook’s multimillion-dollar exit package, alleging that he lied about having multiple affairs with employees and covered up the evidence, according to a regulatory filing.
For those still doubting the concept or should I say, the reality of systemic racism. Just one more, in a very long, long, fucking long line of shit handed down because of the color of one's skin.
52 former franchisees accuse McDonald’s of racial discrimination in lawsuit
The complaint alleges the fast-food giant intentionally placed Black franchise owners in economically depressed markets and set them up for failure
September 1, 2020 at 4:14 p.m. EDT
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More than four dozen former franchise owners, all Black, have accused McDonald’s of “systematic and covert racial discrimination” and of setting them up to fail, despite the company’s public commitment to racial equality.
In a federal lawsuit filed late Monday, the 52 plaintiffs allege the company intentionally placed their restaurants in economically depressed and high-crime locations that had higher operating costs, frequent employee turnover and lower sales. The conditions positioned them for lower profits and failure — a “financial suicide mission” — the lawsuit said.
The plaintiffs, whose franchises date to 1981 and who left the company within the past decade, also allege that McDonald’s retaliated against Black franchisees who rejected being placed in high-crime communities; denied them financial support and assistance often afforded to White franchise owners; unfairly graded Black-owned operations, which led to poor internal reviews and pushed out those franchisees; and misled Black entrepreneurs into purchasing franchises in challenging locations.
McDonald’s denied the allegations, saying they “fly in the face of everything we stand for as an organization and as a partner to communities and small business owners around the world.”
“Not only do we categorically deny the allegations that these franchisees were unable to succeed because of any form of discrimination by McDonald’s, we are confident that the facts will show how committed we are to the diversity and equal opportunity of the McDonald’s System, including across our franchisees, suppliers and employees,” the company said in an emailed statement.
McDonald’s is among the corporate giants that pledged to play a bigger role in combating systemic racism following the death of George Floyd, a Black man who was killed May 25 in police custody in Minneapolis. The ensuing protests galvanized a national moment amid a pandemic that has taken an outsize toll on Black Americans. At the end of July, McDonald’s updated its corporate values with a statement of commitment to diversity and inclusion, including plans to attract and recruit “diverse franchisees,” without defining the terms of diversity.
James Ferraro, the Florida-based lawyer representing the plaintiffs, said the “notion that McDonald’s is a friend of the Black entrepreneur is complete fiction,” according to a news release. “McDonald’s has been hemorrhaging Black franchisees for decades due to blatant and implicit racial discrimination. The company will now be held accountable.”
The complaint alleges the plaintiffs averaged $2 million a year in sales — $700,000 less than the company’s national average from 2011 to 2016 and $900,000 less than the 2019 average. That led to an exodus of Black franchisees, the suit says, from 400 in 1998 to less than 200 today, even as the number of McDonald’s franchises doubled.
The plaintiffs are seeking compensatory damages from $4 million to $5 million per store for the more than 200 locations operated by the former franchisees. The complaint, which seeks a jury trial, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division, where McDonald’s is based. The plaintiffs operated franchises in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia, according to the complaint.
“The world will soon see how these 52 people of color risked everything on the Golden Arches only to be kept down, marginalized and driven to ruin,” Ferraro said. “Black lives matter on the streets, in our communities and they matter in Corporate America.”
McDonald’s said in its statement that it places Black franchisees in all types of communities and denied allegations that it forces franchise owners into underperforming markets or that franchisees do not have a say in what locations they purchase. The company also contends it treats Black franchisees no differently from other franchisees and does not offer less financial support.
In a video sent to McDonald’s employees and suppliers, chief executive Chris Kempczinski said the company focuses on recruiting franchisees and suppliers from diverse backgrounds.
“Based upon our review, we disagree with the claims in this lawsuit and we intend to strongly defend against it,” Kempczinski said. “But I think it’s important in moments like this to remind ourselves what we do stand for. And as CEO, that’s a tone I intend to continuously set from the top. McDonald’s stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. I’m proud of the work we’ve done as a company to foster entrepreneurship, economic growth and mobility.”
McDonald’s also is in the midst of a legal fight with its former chief executive, Steve Easterbrook, who was fired in November for violating corporate policy that forbids managers from having relationships with subordinates. Last month, the company filed a lawsuit to recover Easterbrook’s multimillion-dollar exit package, alleging that he lied about having multiple affairs with employees and covered up the evidence, according to a regulatory filing.
I agree, this is a good example of systemic racism-- something which certainly does exist in America.
But the question here is, what is the best way to deal with it? Is destructive and/ or violent rioting the best option?
Here are some factors (as I see it- correct, add or delete as anyone sees fit but I believe these are all true and valid) and results of the destructive/ violent side of the riots:
- Destructive and/ or violent riots bring attention to an issue that needs to be resolved.
- They often put business owners at risk of being able to stay solvent and/ or keep their business running. Those business owners are often people of color.
- They are more harmful to some local economies than helpful (even in my little city, I and others are wary of going downtown on some days and I have zero interest right now in going to a large cities downtown areas.)
- They increase exposure to COVID-19
- They are harmful to the environment (toxins released from burning cars and building, etc.)
- They do more to divide people than to bring them together.
So, assuming I've covered all the bases, the question is: Is the one positive worth the 5 negative consequences?
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What does a 12 year old know about Team Trump Treason and politics? Why would anyone take him/her seriously? Unless it’s to save them from the cult? If Greta couldn’t be taken seriously for her climate change awareness efforts, even sailing across the Atlantic, why should anyone pay attention to a brainwashed 12 year old cult victim? Fucking unhinged adults indeed.
Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
i agree. it's fucked up. and just so we're clear, I wasn't suggesting you were going to blame an ideology. i see it all the time online. especially from big name trumpists, like james woods and charlie kirk and others.
i quit twitter yesterday. and facebook. i've had enough. 4 years of reading everyone hating each other was too much.
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Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
Let me preface this by saying IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE.
I think some of the reason we're seeing people melting down (and I'd consider this a meltdown) is the uncertainty and the boredom of life in the time of Corona. We're sick of being at home; we miss going places; we're sick of our kids; we miss our (grand)parents; we're scared for our health (or frustrated by those who are stopping us from living a normal life). Mix that in with unprecedented (at least in my memory) political division and civil unrest and I think mental health issues are kicking in. For some that's depression but for others, they're just snapping. This includes people screaming at Wal Mart workers who ask them to wear a mask and, of course many more violent and dangerous actions.
Again, you can't excuse an adult assaulting a kid. But with all that's going on...I think that's naturally going to lead to some people crossing lines they would not have crossed a year ago.
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Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
Let me preface this by saying IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE.
I think some of the reason we're seeing people melting down (and I'd consider this a meltdown) is the uncertainty and the boredom of life in the time of Corona. We're sick of being at home; we miss going places; we're sick of our kids; we miss our (grand)parents; we're scared for our health (or frustrated by those who are stopping us from living a normal life). Mix that in with unprecedented (at least in my memory) political division and civil unrest and I think mental health issues are kicking in. For some that's depression but for others, they're just snapping. This includes people screaming at Wal Mart workers who ask them to wear a mask and, of course many more violent and dangerous actions.
Again, you can't excuse an adult assaulting a kid. But with all that's going on...I think that's naturally going to lead to some people crossing lines they would not have crossed a year ago.
emotions are running high, no doubt, for a number of reasons.
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People melting down these days is understandable. But they need to do so with a little consideration by practicing social melt-down distancing. Melt into a puddle into their own shoes, not on to someone else. No excuse for this bullshit.
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People melting down these days is understandable. But they need to do so with a little consideration by practicing social melt-down distancing. Melt into a puddle into their own shoes, not on to someone else. No excuse for this bullshit.
social meltdown distancing. lol. that needs to be added to the 2020 lexicon. lol
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Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
i agree. it's fucked up. and just so we're clear, I wasn't suggesting you were going to blame an ideology. i see it all the time online. especially from big name trumpists, like james woods and charlie kirk and others.
i quit twitter yesterday. and facebook. i've had enough. 4 years of reading everyone hating each other was too much.
You will not regret it. Luckily I made the call prior to the last election, things have apparently escalated since then.
Not so much against the left, but seriously, what happened to self-control in some of these so called “mature” people these days. It’s sickening that some “adults” cannot control their actions.
i agree. it's fucked up. and just so we're clear, I wasn't suggesting you were going to blame an ideology. i see it all the time online. especially from big name trumpists, like james woods and charlie kirk and others.
i quit twitter yesterday. and facebook. i've had enough. 4 years of reading everyone hating each other was too much.
You will not regret it. Luckily I made the call prior to the last election, things have apparently escalated since then.
Still third party? Can’t stand a two party system?
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So what you're telling us is that you're essentially ground zero for the asshole movement in this country? Thanks Brian.
Trump's greenlighting this shit. Patriot Prayer right wing fu*knuts have another Portland gathering scheduled for late September. Hold on to your favorite PJ hat because sadly this could be really ugly.
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I'd like to see an example of "some here drooling for something like this to happen," but I'll never see it as it doesn't exist. Talk about "strawman responses."
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52 former franchisees accuse McDonald’s of racial discrimination in lawsuit
The complaint alleges the fast-food giant intentionally placed Black franchise owners in economically depressed markets and set them up for failure
More than four dozen former franchise owners, all Black, have accused McDonald’s of “systematic and covert racial discrimination” and of setting them up to fail, despite the company’s public commitment to racial equality.
In a federal lawsuit filed late Monday, the 52 plaintiffs allege the company intentionally placed their restaurants in economically depressed and high-crime locations that had higher operating costs, frequent employee turnover and lower sales. The conditions positioned them for lower profits and failure — a “financial suicide mission” — the lawsuit said.
The plaintiffs, whose franchises date to 1981 and who left the company within the past decade, also allege that McDonald’s retaliated against Black franchisees who rejected being placed in high-crime communities; denied them financial support and assistance often afforded to White franchise owners; unfairly graded Black-owned operations, which led to poor internal reviews and pushed out those franchisees; and misled Black entrepreneurs into purchasing franchises in challenging locations.
McDonald’s denied the allegations, saying they “fly in the face of everything we stand for as an organization and as a partner to communities and small business owners around the world.”
“Not only do we categorically deny the allegations that these franchisees were unable to succeed because of any form of discrimination by McDonald’s, we are confident that the facts will show how committed we are to the diversity and equal opportunity of the McDonald’s System, including across our franchisees, suppliers and employees,” the company said in an emailed statement.
McDonald’s is among the corporate giants that pledged to play a bigger role in combating systemic racism following the death of George Floyd, a Black man who was killed May 25 in police custody in Minneapolis. The ensuing protests galvanized a national moment amid a pandemic that has taken an outsize toll on Black Americans. At the end of July, McDonald’s updated its corporate values with a statement of commitment to diversity and inclusion, including plans to attract and recruit “diverse franchisees,” without defining the terms of diversity.
James Ferraro, the Florida-based lawyer representing the plaintiffs, said the “notion that McDonald’s is a friend of the Black entrepreneur is complete fiction,” according to a news release. “McDonald’s has been hemorrhaging Black franchisees for decades due to blatant and implicit racial discrimination. The company will now be held accountable.”
The complaint alleges the plaintiffs averaged $2 million a year in sales — $700,000 less than the company’s national average from 2011 to 2016 and $900,000 less than the 2019 average. That led to an exodus of Black franchisees, the suit says, from 400 in 1998 to less than 200 today, even as the number of McDonald’s franchises doubled.
The plaintiffs are seeking compensatory damages from $4 million to $5 million per store for the more than 200 locations operated by the former franchisees. The complaint, which seeks a jury trial, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division, where McDonald’s is based. The plaintiffs operated franchises in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia, according to the complaint.
“The world will soon see how these 52 people of color risked everything on the Golden Arches only to be kept down, marginalized and driven to ruin,” Ferraro said. “Black lives matter on the streets, in our communities and they matter in Corporate America.”
McDonald’s said in its statement that it places Black franchisees in all types of communities and denied allegations that it forces franchise owners into underperforming markets or that franchisees do not have a say in what locations they purchase. The company also contends it treats Black franchisees no differently from other franchisees and does not offer less financial support.
In a video sent to McDonald’s employees and suppliers, chief executive Chris Kempczinski said the company focuses on recruiting franchisees and suppliers from diverse backgrounds.
“Based upon our review, we disagree with the claims in this lawsuit and we intend to strongly defend against it,” Kempczinski said. “But I think it’s important in moments like this to remind ourselves what we do stand for. And as CEO, that’s a tone I intend to continuously set from the top. McDonald’s stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. I’m proud of the work we’ve done as a company to foster entrepreneurship, economic growth and mobility.”
McDonald’s also is in the midst of a legal fight with its former chief executive, Steve Easterbrook, who was fired in November for violating corporate policy that forbids managers from having relationships with subordinates. Last month, the company filed a lawsuit to recover Easterbrook’s multimillion-dollar exit package, alleging that he lied about having multiple affairs with employees and covered up the evidence, according to a regulatory filing.
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