Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    OnWis97 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Well, so much for this dudes trial:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html

    The guy that shot the “Trumper” in Portland tried pulling his gun on police and it didn’t end so well.
    If he was white, he'd still be alive.
    O, wait.....
    Who thinks that cops allow white people to pull guns on them unchecked? 
    Sometimes they do.  See Rittenhouse, Kyle.

    But yeah, pull a gun on a cop and you're usually going to get shot.  This may have even been suicide by cop.
    Kyle never pulled a gun on a cop. He walked up with his hands in the air.
    I'm not defending Kyle, I don't think he should have been there in the first place. But you can't compare him to a guy who actively pulls a gun on a cop.
  • mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Well, so much for this dudes trial:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html

    The guy that shot the “Trumper” in Portland tried pulling his gun on police and it didn’t end so well.
    If he was white, he'd still be alive.
    O, wait.....
    Who thinks that cops allow white people to pull guns on them unchecked? 
    Sometimes they do.  See Rittenhouse, Kyle.

    But yeah, pull a gun on a cop and you're usually going to get shot.  This may have even been suicide by cop.
    Kyle never pulled a gun on a cop. He walked up with his hands in the air.
    I'm not defending Kyle, I don't think he should have been there in the first place. But you can't compare him to a guy who actively pulls a gun on a cop.

    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Well, so much for this dudes trial:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html

    The guy that shot the “Trumper” in Portland tried pulling his gun on police and it didn’t end so well.
    If he was white, he'd still be alive.
    O, wait.....
    Who thinks that cops allow white people to pull guns on them unchecked? 
    Sometimes they do.  See Rittenhouse, Kyle.

    But yeah, pull a gun on a cop and you're usually going to get shot.  This may have even been suicide by cop.
    Kyle never pulled a gun on a cop. He walked up with his hands in the air.
    I'm not defending Kyle, I don't think he should have been there in the first place. But you can't compare him to a guy who actively pulls a gun on a cop.
    Yes I agree 
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,434

    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Well, so much for this dudes trial:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html

    The guy that shot the “Trumper” in Portland tried pulling his gun on police and it didn’t end so well.
    If he was white, he'd still be alive.
    O, wait.....
    Who thinks that cops allow white people to pull guns on them unchecked? 
    Sometimes they do.  See Rittenhouse, Kyle.

    But yeah, pull a gun on a cop and you're usually going to get shot.  This may have even been suicide by cop.
    Kyle never pulled a gun on a cop. He walked up with his hands in the air.
    I'm not defending Kyle, I don't think he should have been there in the first place. But you can't compare him to a guy who actively pulls a gun on a cop.
    Yes I agree 
    Ya obviously a bad comparison. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,762
    That guy, who may or may not have had a mental imbalance, was free to claim "100% Antifa" all he wanted. Does not mean that there is any sort of organized group or that they are a threat to anyone other than the right wing dipshits who come out looking to fight with anyone they deem to be "Antifa".
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,023
    Don't you just love it when idiots make themselves look stupid. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Hey...if they shoot themselves it is natural selection...fuck these idiots...a waste of skin
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    Is that a satire site? Because does anyone believe because a couple weirdos do it that “Face masks with gun pocket is the new right wing couture”?
     If not for this post I probably would have never known these even exist. I doubt anyone in this thread will ever see one in person. Hardly the new fashion craze the article makes it sound like.
    I thought this was a version of the onion at first, but I don’t think so.
  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,434
    mace1229 said:
    Is that a satire site? Because does anyone believe because a couple weirdos do it that “Face masks with gun pocket is the new right wing couture”?
     If not for this post I probably would have never known these even exist. I doubt anyone in this thread will ever see one in person. Hardly the new fashion craze the article makes it sound like.
    I thought this was a version of the onion at first, but I don’t think so.
    I think you are mixing up craze with statement. I do not see anywheres in that article that shows it is a new fashion craze or even hints at a lot of people are doing it. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    edited September 2020
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Is that a satire site? Because does anyone believe because a couple weirdos do it that “Face masks with gun pocket is the new right wing couture”?
     If not for this post I probably would have never known these even exist. I doubt anyone in this thread will ever see one in person. Hardly the new fashion craze the article makes it sound like.
    I thought this was a version of the onion at first, but I don’t think so.
    I think you are mixing up craze with statement. I do not see anywheres in that article that shows it is a new fashion craze or even hints at a lot of people are doing it. 
    The title of the article and the fact they call it the new fashion statement for gun lovers to me implies it’s far more common than it actually is, which is probably 10 people in the entire country who do it to be funny. No one wants a gun in their face or a masks that weighs 3 lbs.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    It’d make a nifty snackholder. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    If any such folks were wearing or carrying or waving or blaring Biden propaganda, then perhaps you'd have a point here.

    But I haven't seen such representation on the part of looters and arsonists yet.
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  • dankind said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    If any such folks were wearing or carrying or waving or blaring Biden propaganda, then perhaps you'd have a point here.

    But I haven't seen such representation on the part of looters and arsonists yet.
    Given that it was also billed as a “Team Trump Treason parade” or march. 
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  • mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
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  • mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    it is because not all trump supporters are racist, but all racists are trump supporters.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    The main difference I see is that when democrats do something stupid, it is also democrats who join in on the outrage. when a trumpster does,  most on that side rallies around and makes excuses. 
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  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
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  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
    Both sides are the same. The last defense available.  IT WAS A TEAM TRUMP TREASON PARADE. The examples Mace keeps citing were demonstrations against cops killing Black people, not a Sleepy Woke Joe parade or rally but hey, let’s call them the same thing. The lengths some will go to defend their side.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
    Both sides are the same. The last defense available.  IT WAS A TEAM TRUMP TREASON PARADE. The examples Mace keeps citing were demonstrations against cops killing Black people, not a Sleepy Woke Joe parade or rally but hey, let’s call them the same thing. The lengths some will go to defend their side.
    Yea. Tell me about it. 
  • nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
    Both sides are the same. The last defense available.  IT WAS A TEAM TRUMP TREASON PARADE. The examples Mace keeps citing were demonstrations against cops killing Black people, not a Sleepy Woke Joe parade or rally but hey, let’s call them the same thing. The lengths some will go to defend their side.
    Yea. Tell me about it. 
    Apples and oranges 
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
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    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
    Both sides are the same. The last defense available.  IT WAS A TEAM TRUMP TREASON PARADE. The examples Mace keeps citing were demonstrations against cops killing Black people, not a Sleepy Woke Joe parade or rally but hey, let’s call them the same thing. The lengths some will go to defend their side.
    Yea. Tell me about it. 
    For my part, I was never defending a side. I don't have one, politically speaking.

    I was merely pointing out a flaw in mace's argument.

    I am and always will be on the side of fact-based critical thinking and logical reasoning -- both of which were lacking in that post. 

    I would hope someone would point out the same, as many have, when I stray from these fundamentals for healthy and mindful discourse.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,366
    I never claimed both sides are the same and never defended any violent actions of any protestors.
    I made a simple observation, that the article uses Trump Supporter and the Proud Boys group interchangeably. And pointed out that you never see the rioters and looters and Biden supporters mentioned together. We know groups like Proud Boys are Trump supporters, but not all Trump supporters are involved in a hate groups like Proud Boys. We also know most looters and rioters and those throwing Molotov cocktails at police support Biden over Trump and realize most Biden supporters don't do that. 
    One good point was made that this was a Trump rally so it is a bad comparison, of course they are going to mention Trump supporter. OK, maybe. But there are 2 incidents mentioned in the article, and only 1 is clearly at a Trump rally from what I could tell. It uses Trump supporter and Proud Boys interchangeably to describe both incidents. Did everyone already forget about Kenosha and Rittenhouse? I heard many times it described as Trump supporters take arms against rioters. There was no Trump rally there.
    That was my observation. That's all it was. I made no defense of Trump or people beating down others. In fact I've spoken out against he violence many times.  I'm often amazed at how a simple talking point like that is turned into "yeah both sides are the same, sure" or "you will say anything to defend Trump." 
    I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but I am. I guess that's my own fault. 
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Unfortunately I fear we'll see a lot more of this as the election gets closer and there's more rallies.
    I also like how instead of saying a hate groups attacked BLM protestors, it was labeled as "Trump supporters" attack BLM group. Yes, they were Trump supporters. But does anyone ever say "Biden supporters loots a Target and Nike store then burns down a car dealership and a Wendy's"?
    Yeah both sides are not the same as Covidiot would have folks believe! Why is it that he’s supporters have to let the whole country know flying giant flags , pick up trucks etc etc etc 
    I never said they are the same. I just find it funny that when the right does something stupid people don't hesitate to call them out and label them as Trump supporters, as if all supporters or voters are the same. When the left does something stupid, I don't see that same reaction. The opposite, its minimalized and a point is made to say they don't represent the masses. Does anyone think those looting Target and burning car dealerships down are not voting for Biden? But we all accept that is not the typical Biden voter.

    Those with flags and pick up trumps represent a small fraction of people voting for Trump, just like the rioters and looters represent a small fraction of those voting Biden. But with one group the negatives are highlighted and are portrayed as essentially the entire group while the other side is minimalized. 
    I've seen thousands and thousands of cars in the last few months, and only maybe 10 with a big trump flag. Go to a protest or rally I'm sure you'd see a lot more, but in the general public it isn't very common. 
    to answer your question about those burning down target, they are probably not going to vote at all. plus, some of those that started the riots and breaking shit were white guys, like the one that burned down that autozone. did you see any of those people repping biden in any way? many are probably anarchists. us on the left do not have easily identifiable attire like the stupid red maga hats.

    biden is urging for calm. trump is throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. this is not a difficult concept to understand.
    Both sides are the same. The last defense available.  IT WAS A TEAM TRUMP TREASON PARADE. The examples Mace keeps citing were demonstrations against cops killing Black people, not a Sleepy Woke Joe parade or rally but hey, let’s call them the same thing. The lengths some will go to defend their side.
    Yea. Tell me about it. 
    Apples and oranges 
    Sure thing 
  • mace1229 said:
    I never claimed both sides are the same and never defended any violent actions of any protestors.
    I made a simple observation, that the article uses Trump Supporter and the Proud Boys group interchangeably. And pointed out that you never see the rioters and looters and Biden supporters mentioned together. We know groups like Proud Boys are Trump supporters, but not all Trump supporters are involved in a hate groups like Proud Boys. We also know most looters and rioters and those throwing Molotov cocktails at police support Biden over Trump and realize most Biden supporters don't do that. 
    One good point was made that this was a Trump rally so it is a bad comparison, of course they are going to mention Trump supporter. OK, maybe. But there are 2 incidents mentioned in the article, and only 1 is clearly at a Trump rally from what I could tell. It uses Trump supporter and Proud Boys interchangeably to describe both incidents. Did everyone already forget about Kenosha and Rittenhouse? I heard many times it described as Trump supporters take arms against rioters. There was no Trump rally there.
    That was my observation. That's all it was. I made no defense of Trump or people beating down others. In fact I've spoken out against he violence many times.  I'm often amazed at how a simple talking point like that is turned into "yeah both sides are the same, sure" or "you will say anything to defend Trump." 
    I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but I am. I guess that's my own fault. 
    I see that plenty, actually. mainly on social media. but also because most trump supporters you talk about here are pretty eager to fly that (confederate) flag proudly. 
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  • mace1229 said:
    I never claimed both sides are the same and never defended any violent actions of any protestors.
    I made a simple observation, that the article uses Trump Supporter and the Proud Boys group interchangeably. And pointed out that you never see the rioters and looters and Biden supporters mentioned together. We know groups like Proud Boys are Trump supporters, but not all Trump supporters are involved in a hate groups like Proud Boys. We also know most looters and rioters and those throwing Molotov cocktails at police support Biden over Trump and realize most Biden supporters don't do that. 
    One good point was made that this was a Trump rally so it is a bad comparison, of course they are going to mention Trump supporter. OK, maybe. But there are 2 incidents mentioned in the article, and only 1 is clearly at a Trump rally from what I could tell. It uses Trump supporter and Proud Boys interchangeably to describe both incidents. Did everyone already forget about Kenosha and Rittenhouse? I heard many times it described as Trump supporters take arms against rioters. There was no Trump rally there.
    That was my observation. That's all it was. I made no defense of Trump or people beating down others. In fact I've spoken out against he violence many times.  I'm often amazed at how a simple talking point like that is turned into "yeah both sides are the same, sure" or "you will say anything to defend Trump." 
    I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but I am. I guess that's my own fault. 
    Go back and reread your original post and follow up post. Please?
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