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Does it bother you that a word may be tied to racism? You seem to be making a joke about people expressing concern about its usage. Isn't that how we learn to advance and move beyond derogatory terms that tend to have meanings specifically referencing certain types of people negatively?nicknyr15 said:
Its origins are definitely rooted back further than the modern racial references, but it does have its ties to racism.As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.
“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-a-term-with-roots-in-protest-and-conflict-11591310530
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Regarding the bolded part, I don’t know how the modern day word “looter” is referencing a certain type of person, except those types of people that vandalize businesses and steal. Plenty of looters are white. I struggle with this one.tbergs said:
Does it bother you that a word may be tied to racism? You seem to be making a joke about people expressing concern about its usage. Isn't that how we learn to advance and move beyond derogatory terms that tend to have meanings specifically referencing certain types of people negatively?nicknyr15 said:
Its origins are definitely rooted back further than the modern racial references, but it does have its ties to racism.As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.
“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-a-term-with-roots-in-protest-and-conflict-11591310530
In this context, if we go back and dissect the entire English language, I’m sure the origin of plenty of words could be frowned upon for some reason, especially in today’s day and age.0 -
I don't understand the negative responses to the notion that it is best for any American to learn how to speak good English. Why is it OK to think a white person who says "I ain't got no" is just a dumb redneck, but if a black person says it, that's fine? Seems to me that any individual can improve their lot in life by learning to speak well (well, not good).When I was in teaching, I subbed for several years in several school districts in two states. I taught in wealthy white schools, poor white schools, poor predominantly black schools, poor predominantly Hispanic schools, and once or twice in a poor predominately Native American school. I heard poor English in all of those situations. In almost every case, the kids that learn to speak better English will live better lives.I don't get this thing about supporting the notion of speaking poorly. I think that's totally ridiculous.As far as blacks in particular, I would look to some of the great black statesmen and women as good example. I very much doubt you will hear Cornell West say, "I ain't got no" rather than "I do not have any:""It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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read a speech by Frederick Douglass...... Man that guy had a way with words.brianlux said:I don't understand the negative responses to the notion that it is best for any American to learn how to speak good English. Why is it OK to think a white person who says "I ain't got no" is just a dumb redneck, but if a black person says it, that's fine? Seems to me that any individual can improve their lot in life by learning to speak well (well, not good).When I was in teaching, I subbed for several years in several school districts in two states. I taught in wealthy white schools, poor white schools, poor predominantly black schools, poor predominantly Hispanic schools, and once or twice in a poor predominately Native American school. I heard poor English in all of those situations. In almost every case, the kids that learn to speak better English will live better lives.I don't get this thing about supporting the notion of speaking poorly. I think that's totally ridiculous.As far as blacks in particular, I would look to some of the great black statesmen and women as good example. I very much doubt you will hear Cornell West say, "I ain't got no" rather than "I do not have any:"
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I agree with this. It is almost ridiculous how everything is racist now. Calling someone who mobs a store and steals a looter is now racist? That to me is a joke.bbiggs said:
Regarding the bolded part, I don’t know how the modern day word “looter” is referencing a certain type of person, except those types of people that vandalize businesses and steal. Plenty of looters are white. I struggle with this one.tbergs said:
Does it bother you that a word may be tied to racism? You seem to be making a joke about people expressing concern about its usage. Isn't that how we learn to advance and move beyond derogatory terms that tend to have meanings specifically referencing certain types of people negatively?nicknyr15 said:
Its origins are definitely rooted back further than the modern racial references, but it does have its ties to racism.As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.
“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-a-term-with-roots-in-protest-and-conflict-11591310530
In this context, if we go back and dissect the entire English language, I’m sure the origin of plenty of words could be frowned upon for some reason, especially in today’s day and age.
like you said, every word has it’s origins somewhere. Who in today’s society knows that when they see people waiting out of Walmart with shopping carts full of stuff they didn’t pay for? Pretty much no one.I never even associated thug with any group. And if I did, I pictured a 1920s chicago mob guy. It really seems like the only people putting labels on these terms are the ones trying to make everything about race.You break into a store and run out with an armload of stuff, you’re a looter. Doesn’t matter what color you are.0 -
Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice.
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Yup. (for lack of a better wordbrianlux said:I don't understand the negative responses to the notion that it is best for any American to learn how to speak good English. Why is it OK to think a white person who says "I ain't got no" is just a dumb redneck, but if a black person says it, that's fine? Seems to me that any individual can improve their lot in life by learning to speak well (well, not good).When I was in teaching, I subbed for several years in several school districts in two states. I taught in wealthy white schools, poor white schools, poor predominantly black schools, poor predominantly Hispanic schools, and once or twice in a poor predominately Native American school. I heard poor English in all of those situations. In almost every case, the kids that learn to speak better English will live better lives.I don't get this thing about supporting the notion of speaking poorly. I think that's totally ridiculous.As far as blacks in particular, I would look to some of the great black statesmen and women as good example. I very much doubt you will hear Cornell West say, "I ain't got no" rather than "I do not have any:"
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Yup. (for lack of a better wordbrianlux said:I don't understand the negative responses to the notion that it is best for any American to learn how to speak good English. Why is it OK to think a white person who says "I ain't got no" is just a dumb redneck, but if a black person says it, that's fine? Seems to me that any individual can improve their lot in life by learning to speak well (well, not good).When I was in teaching, I subbed for several years in several school districts in two states. I taught in wealthy white schools, poor white schools, poor predominantly black schools, poor predominantly Hispanic schools, and once or twice in a poor predominately Native American school. I heard poor English in all of those situations. In almost every case, the kids that learn to speak better English will live better lives.I don't get this thing about supporting the notion of speaking poorly. I think that's totally ridiculous.As far as blacks in particular, I would look to some of the great black statesmen and women as good example. I very much doubt you will hear Cornell West say, "I ain't got no" rather than "I do not have any:" )
I respect language; learned that from my father."Yup" is a great word!
I learned respect for language from my folks as well in different ways- some indirectly. My father was born into an Amish family and Amish people often speak English in oddly juxtaposed or jumbled up ways. For example, they might say, "Throw the cow over the fence some hay," or "Jacob went to the train to saw off Uncle Samuel". Yet still, my Pop learned to speak English almost perfectly and even his Amish mother spoke English quite well but with a really interesting accent.On my mothers side, her father was bright, industrious and musical (he played in jug bands up and down the Russian River in Sonoma County), but was probably not well educated. My mom wanted to do good things with her life so she worked her way through med school and became a lab technologist. Despite her education, she maintained some poor speech habits such as using the word "good" when she meant "well". I picked up a few of those habits and have tried to weed them out over the years.But ya know, I still like saying, "Yup!" "It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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read a speech by Frederick Douglass...... Man that guy had a way with words.brianlux said:I don't understand the negative responses to the notion that it is best for any American to learn how to speak good English. Why is it OK to think a white person who says "I ain't got no" is just a dumb redneck, but if a black person says it, that's fine? Seems to me that any individual can improve their lot in life by learning to speak well (well, not good).When I was in teaching, I subbed for several years in several school districts in two states. I taught in wealthy white schools, poor white schools, poor predominantly black schools, poor predominantly Hispanic schools, and once or twice in a poor predominately Native American school. I heard poor English in all of those situations. In almost every case, the kids that learn to speak better English will live better lives.I don't get this thing about supporting the notion of speaking poorly. I think that's totally ridiculous.As far as blacks in particular, I would look to some of the great black statesmen and women as good example. I very much doubt you will hear Cornell West say, "I ain't got no" rather than "I do not have any:"The Juggler said:Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice.
Oh man, yes, now there's a giant! And not just as a famous abolitionist, but a real strong supporter of women's rights as well. A true hero!
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The looting being racist might be a fringe thing. Someone writes something and it goes viral and becomes a story even though it's just from one persons op-ed.mace1229 said:
I agree with this. It is almost ridiculous how everything is racist now. Calling someone who mobs a store and steals a looter is now racist? That to me is a joke.bbiggs said:
Regarding the bolded part, I don’t know how the modern day word “looter” is referencing a certain type of person, except those types of people that vandalize businesses and steal. Plenty of looters are white. I struggle with this one.tbergs said:
Does it bother you that a word may be tied to racism? You seem to be making a joke about people expressing concern about its usage. Isn't that how we learn to advance and move beyond derogatory terms that tend to have meanings specifically referencing certain types of people negatively?nicknyr15 said:
Its origins are definitely rooted back further than the modern racial references, but it does have its ties to racism.As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.
“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-a-term-with-roots-in-protest-and-conflict-11591310530
In this context, if we go back and dissect the entire English language, I’m sure the origin of plenty of words could be frowned upon for some reason, especially in today’s day and age.
like you said, every word has it’s origins somewhere. Who in today’s society knows that when they see people waiting out of Walmart with shopping carts full of stuff they didn’t pay for? Pretty much no one.I never even associated thug with any group. And if I did, I pictured a 1920s chicago mob guy. It really seems like the only people putting labels on these terms are the ones trying to make everything about race.You break into a store and run out with an armload of stuff, you’re a looter. Doesn’t matter what color you are.0 -
Remember when everyone was furious that “they” we trying to cancel Paw Patrol?tempo_n_groove said:
The looting being racist might be a fringe thing. Someone writes something and it goes viral and becomes a story even though it's just from one persons op-ed.mace1229 said:
I agree with this. It is almost ridiculous how everything is racist now. Calling someone who mobs a store and steals a looter is now racist? That to me is a joke.bbiggs said:
Regarding the bolded part, I don’t know how the modern day word “looter” is referencing a certain type of person, except those types of people that vandalize businesses and steal. Plenty of looters are white. I struggle with this one.tbergs said:
Does it bother you that a word may be tied to racism? You seem to be making a joke about people expressing concern about its usage. Isn't that how we learn to advance and move beyond derogatory terms that tend to have meanings specifically referencing certain types of people negatively?nicknyr15 said:
Its origins are definitely rooted back further than the modern racial references, but it does have its ties to racism.As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.
“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-a-term-with-roots-in-protest-and-conflict-11591310530
In this context, if we go back and dissect the entire English language, I’m sure the origin of plenty of words could be frowned upon for some reason, especially in today’s day and age.
like you said, every word has it’s origins somewhere. Who in today’s society knows that when they see people waiting out of Walmart with shopping carts full of stuff they didn’t pay for? Pretty much no one.I never even associated thug with any group. And if I did, I pictured a 1920s chicago mob guy. It really seems like the only people putting labels on these terms are the ones trying to make everything about race.You break into a store and run out with an armload of stuff, you’re a looter. Doesn’t matter what color you are.0 -
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/28/florida-ppp-coronavirus-lamborghini/?hpid=hp_morning-mix-8-12-rr1_mm-lambo:homepage/story-ansNow, federal prosecutors say Hines illegally used hundreds of thousands of dollars in PPP loans meant for his moving companies to buy the car as well as a host of personal expenses, including shopping sprees and high-end hotel stays, instead of covering his companies’ payroll. The Justice Department announced Monday he was arrested and charged with making false statements to a lending institution, bank fraud and engaging in transactions in unlawful proceeds, officials said.
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it’s so funny how one side is hellbent on proving everything is peaceful and the other portrays it as complete anarchy. Guess what, both are happening. It’s pathetic to pretend that there’s no violence and equally pathetic to say there’s only violence.0 -
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it’s so funny how one side is hellbent on proving everything is peaceful and the other portrays it as complete anarchy. Guess what, both are happening. It’s pathetic to pretend that there’s no violence and equally pathetic to say there’s only violence.Both are definitely happening. There have been some really great protest marches and then there are idiots who pull the kind of shit those two women did.Personally, I'm thinking more and more these protests are doing more harm than good. There is little in the way of leadership, little in the way of a distinct plan of action, or set of goals. Compare this to the demonstrations that occurred during the war in Vietnam. The war resistant had great leaders- people like Bill Zimmerman who organized, presented goals, helped build hospitals for innocent civilian casualties. That was hard, necessary work. And it helped bring an end to the war.But who am I to say anything about black issues? I'm a privileged white guy. We would do best to listen to the best leaders, thinkers and planners in the black community regarding black issues. What does Cornell West have to say about it? How about the leaders in the NAACP?Here's something I read recently that I think is worth sharing. I found this in a book of interviews written by Arthur Taylor, a black jazz drummer who interviewed influential black jazz artists. In an interview with Eddie Lockjaw Davis, a black alto saxophone player who led his own groups and played for several years in Count Basie's big band, Davis says this:"Many of us are so busy pointing out how we are oppressed, that we never point out our own faults. The first time I heard one black militant leader point this out, I'll go along with some of his philosophy. It's always a matter of showing our attribute, our assets, our potential, how we're denied, but we never have any faults. And we've got a lot of them.Let us be fair- there are good and bad in every race. There are some blacks to whom you cannot give authority. If they're followers, fine, but as soon as you give them a little authority, they'll run over the whole building. There's no such thing to me as a born leader. You've got to earn it; you've got to develop it; and just to sit around and beef about what you don't have and what you're denied is not reason enough to give you the authority which you must work to earn. That's the trouble with young militants today. You check them out. You're interviewing me, so why not interview one of them and find out how many jobs he's ever had. He hasn't had any. He's talking about his rights, but ask him how many jobs he ever went looking for.We musicians have a legitimate beef because we're trying to work and earn our livelihood. The obstacles that have been put in front of us have been economic. For instance, a white artist can be offered a job, and if that same job is offered to a colored artist, it's a different figure entirely. 'Specially in your hotel circuit, your resort areas. The young militant sitting around talking about wanting this and that hasn't worked. I can't go along with his argument, because he's not supporting it with any kind of living proof, work. Get him a job."Arthur Taylor, Notes and Tones, pp70-71.Not my words. Lockjaws!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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BLM is no longer what it was meant to be. It has been hijacked to push an agenda that is not the cause.0
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I think a lot of people assumed that it was either a corrupt police officer or a white supremacist trying to stir shit up. He obviously was not supporting the BLM cause, just like a lot of the other looters and rioters flying under the BLM umbrella. As Joseph said above, the cause has been hijacked, mostly by a bunch of white anarcho-communists, aka “antifa”.OnWis97 said:
Surely there is an unused sporting complex out there that we could let “Antifa” and the “Boogaloos” beat the shit out of each other in, right??
Maybe then they would leave everyone else and their property alone...and let black people actually get the attention they deserve in this anti-racism movement.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
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