Black Lives Matter

Halifax2TheMax

Keep believing the narrative of Herr Leader.


https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

“It’s chatter, it’s ‘intelligence reporting suggests,’” he said. On June 2, for example, the Department of Homeland Security circulated a tweet to law enforcement agencies across the country reporting that antifa was stashing bricks to “fuel protests.” The intelligence made its way to a law enforcement fusion center in Maine. Last week, Mainer magazine tracked down the original source of the tweet: a far-right, pro-Trump biker who goes by the name “the Wolfman,” who claimed that Facebook kept deleting his brick-planting evidence “because they are BLM supporters.”

Yet the leaked materials show that on May 29, two days before Trump tweeted that antifa would be labeled a terrorist organization and Barr issued his DOJ statement, the president’s own DHS analysts issued an open source intelligence report detailing how a white supremacist channel on Telegram, an encrypted messaging service, was encouraging followers to capitalize on the unrest by targeting the police with Molotov cocktails and firearms.

“The use of firearms greatly influences the scale and intensity of these events,” a source in the group, titled “National Accelerationist Revival,” wrote on May 27, advising followers to break police lines “with cocktails, chainsaws, and firearms.” At the time, DHS reported, the group included more than 3,400 subscribers. “Looting and shoplifting are both cool and whites should be doing it way more,” the source went on. “When the laws no longer benefit you, break them for personal gain. If you don’t feel like buying something, steal it. If you don’t feel like driving slow, drive fast. If you don’t like someone, hurt them.”

“We ought to revel in the destruction of the police state,” they wrote. “It is just as necessary to break down the police state and the system of control as it is to spread racial hatred.”

In a separate document disseminated the following day, DHS warned its workforce that the nation’s “period of darkness” would soon worsen, as “violent protest movements” grew. Domestic extremists would capitalize on the unrest to “take over government facilities and attack law enforcement,” DHS predicted, with protests following police killings of civilians “posing a high risk of escalating to both premeditated and random attacks targeting law enforcement officers nationwide.” The document went on to describe how “users of a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel attempted to incite followers to engage in violence and start the ‘boogaloo’ — a term used by some violent extremists to refer to the start of a second Civil War — by shooting in a crowd.”

Among the developments cited in the bulletin was the May 29 assassination of a federal court security guard in Oakland. The alleged perpetrator would later be identified as Steven Carrillo, a 32-year-old sergeant in an elite Air Force security unit. According to authorities, Carrillo would go on to ambush and kill a sheriff’s deputy and wound several others in a second targeted attack days later. In court filings last month, the FBI reported that the airman had a ballistics vest bearing a boogaloo patch. Following a shootout with police, Carrillo reportedly used his own blood to scrawl phrases associated with the movement on the hood of a vehicle he had carjacked.

In the run-up to the initial attack, federal authorities said Carrillo made several comments in a Facebook group with his accused accomplices arguing that the protests were an ideal opportunity to kill law enforcement — whom he referred to as “soup bois,” a reference to the “alphabet soup” of law enforcement titles — and kick off a broader nationwide conflagration. “Go to the riots and support our own cause,” Carrillo reportedly wrote on the morning of the attacks. “Show them the real targets. Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.”

At approximately 9:44 p.m, Carrillo and his accused partner, Robert Alvin Justus Jr., rolled up in a white van outside the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building. The side door of the vehicle slid open and Carrillo opened fire. Fifty-three-year-old David Patrick Underwood was shot dead. His partner was wounded. “Did you see how they fucking fell?” Justus would later recall Carrillo exclaiming, as the van took off into the night.

While Carrillo was on the run in California, the FBI’s Minneapolis office circulated uncorroborated “online discussions” between unidentified individuals indicating that “Antifa wanted to ‘massacre’ National Guard personnel at the Minnesota State Capitol” in an unprecedented vehicle-born explosive attack. In the June 1 report, the bureau’s Minneapolis office noted that the intelligence coming in was based on photos of National Guard vehicles that did not appear to come from Minnesota, that it was the product of an outside office, and that “given current circumstances in the Twin Cities, the FBI Minneapolis Field Office cautions that the source may have potentially provided intelligence to influence recipients.”

That same morning, Trump tweeted a quote from “Fox and Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade: “I don’t see any indication that there were any white supremist [sic] groups mixing in. This is an ANTIFA Organization. It seems that the first time we saw it in a major way was Occupy Wall Street. It’s the same mindset.” The president endorsed Kilmeade’s assessment, writing in all caps, “TRUE!” Later in the day, Trump appeared in the Rose Garden of the White House to announce that he would mobilize military forces to quash “the violence and restore security and safety in America.” The president was quick to point out the role of “professional anarchists, violent mobs … arsonists, looters, criminals, rider rioters, Antifa, and others” in creating unrest. “A federal officer in California, an African American enforcement hero, was shot and killed,” he said, referring to Underwood and the targeted attack in Oakland.

Trump made no mention of groups on the far right. Behind the scenes, however, DHS was acknowledging “media reports” indicating “that neo-Nazi, and other paramilitary far-right groups, are calling for terror attacks during the ongoing unrest throughout the United States.”

“A series of Telegram accounts linked to a wider network of paramilitary far-right extremists have indicated that ongoing disturbances are spreading America’s police forces thin, making this the ideal time to strike with a strategic attack,” the agency reported in a round-up of intelligence reports coming in from around the country, published the following morning. “One account, with thousands of followers and links to several neo-Nazi terror groups like The Base and the Nordic Resistance Movement, called for attacks on critical infrastructure.” The agency noted that Twitter had recently removed a fake antifa account “created by a known white supremacist group” that had issued a call to violence.

“Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States,” DHS reported.

According to a distribution list at the bottom of the report, the document was shared with the White House Situation Room, DHS headquarters, federal interagency operations centers, and state and local partners. The Intercept sent detailed lists of questions regarding documents in the BlueLeaks trove to the White House, the Department of Justice, and DHS. None responded. The FBI referred The Intercept to an interview director Christopher Wray gave to Fox News in a late June, in which he appeared to distance the bureau from the more strident antifa rhetoric of Barr and Trump. “Our efforts are focused on identifying, investigating, and disrupting individuals that are inciting violence and engaging in criminal activity,” the bureau said in a statement. “We are not focused on peaceful protests.“

Despite the apparent stream of intelligence indicating that the far right was looking to use the protests as cover to attack law enforcement and create disorder, the FBI, by June 2, was still uncertain whether the attack in Oakland was linked to the demonstrations. “At this time, the FBI is unable to determine if this incident is related to the civil unrest in the Oakland area,” the bureau noted in a lengthy situation report. Carrillo’s arrest was still four days away.

On the heels of Barr’s antifa statement, the FBI noted that its field offices had been “encouraged to canvass sources for intelligence associated with violent or illegal extremist activity.” The bureau added that “any attempts by law enforcement to arrest individuals” openly carrying guns at protests, as well as increased use of the National Guard, was likely to draw more anti-government militias into the streets. The 16-page FBI report did not mention the boogaloo movement nor any of the many other domestic extremist groups of the American far right, by name. It did, however, highlight antifa and anarchists more than a half dozen times.

“You can kind of understand why their response is so aggressive and violent,” he said. “They’re scared to death, and they’re scared to death because there’s this echo chamber of right-wing media, White House statements and, unfortunately, law enforcement intelligence.”


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Ledbetterman10

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

Finally, some real change. One step closer to ending systemic racism. 

It actually looks like it’s projected in front of the statue rather than replacing it. For now anyway. 

He looks like a boss from an NES game. 

Looks a little more clear here....

brianlux

Yes, BLM

nicknyr15

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

Another well thought out, spot on post Brian. 

Halifax2TheMax

Somebody had asked what has been accomplished or what was hoped to be accomplished as a result of the George Floyd protests. Anyone here think any of this would have happened without the protests?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_reforms_related_to_the_George_Floyd_protests

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/06/18/which-states-are-taking-on-police-reform-after-george-floyd

dignin

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

You don't have to be a great man to inspire positive change. If he inspires a movement that makes lives better, saves lives and helps create a more just society...that qualifies as a hero in my book.

Halifax2TheMax

dignin said:

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

You don't have to be a great man to inspire positive change. If he inspires a movement that makes lives better, saves lives and helps create a more just society...that qualifies as a hero in my book.

https://apnews.com/a55d2662f200ead0da4fed9e923b60a7

brianlux

Yes, BLM

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

You don't have to be a great man to inspire positive change. If he inspires a movement that makes lives better, saves lives and helps create a more just society...that qualifies as a hero in my book.

Floyd did nothing to inspire change.  If that's what we're basing it on, maybe put up a statue of the person who took the video that brought this incident to light.

I stand by my thinking.  How many statues of Ida B. Wells have we seen?  Or Frederick Douglas?  Thurgood Marshall?  Harriet Tubman?  Duke Ellington?  These are the people who deserve our praise, not some less than average guy who just happened to be a victim of police violence.

https://apnews.com/a55d2662f200ead0da4fed9e923b60a7

cincybearcat

dignin said:

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

You don't have to be a great man to inspire positive change. If he inspires a movement that makes lives better, saves lives and helps create a more just society...that qualifies as a hero in my book.

Let's be honest, he didn't inspire anything.  The shitty police officers have inspired this.  I remember someone saying...we didn't pick George Floyd as the face of this....the police did when they killed him.  But you can't put a hologram of that racist cop up.

But in reality, whatever image those leading this movement think is appropriate for now is certainly fine by me.

cincybearcat

Though, I will say honoring John Lewis would be very appropriate and powerful.  Forget the old school normal names, let start honoring those that have been working in real time as well.

OnWis97

Floyd is definitely there by circumstance and not because of greatness...more importantly, not because of choice. The circumstance is that his murder-by-cop was 1) recorded and 2) one of the most indefensible instances ever recorded.  Usually, you can find some "back the blue" crowd defending the cop's decision. I almost never even saw it this time. It was pretty cut-and-dried.  That's a big part of why this particular instance ended up opening the flood gates.  In a sense, he's no more important than dozens of other victims you could name.  He's part of the face by circumstance.

And unfortunately, he's not the perfect victim. After a few days of universal agreement about the instance, the Blue Lives Matter crowd will sometimes bring up that He Was No Angel and that he was allegedly* using a counterfeit $20 bill.  To me, if he's going to be the face, for now, that's fine. There'll never be a statue of George Floyd (is my guess) and ultimately, this is about him, Philando Castile,. Breonna Taylor, Elijah McClain, and everyone else that almost certainly would have been given the Dylan Roof treatment if they were white.   But I just don't have it in me to get upset about honoring George Floyd right now.

*Remember the word "allegedly?"  Maybe he got that fake bill as change from elsewhere and had no idea.  It would be nice if we could have, say, a dozen of his peers hear his side of the story rather than just have the government kill him.

It's sad to me that it'll probably take a black victim that's a Reverend with a PhD who has donated 80% of his income to charity and has never had a parking ticket to get some people to feel for the victims.

hedonist

cincybearcat said:

Though, I will say honoring John Lewis would be very appropriate and powerful.  Forget the old school normal names, let start honoring those that have been working in real time as well.

I agree with this. Just watched some live footage of the transfer to his burial place. 

oftenreading

I have absolutely no issue with remembering and honouring the victims of violence. He doesn't have to be a saint for us to recognize that he was a victim of state sanctioned violence. He was, simply, one too many, and his death caused a spark that ignited smouldering rage and resentment. 

Matts3221

RYME said:

https://youtu.be/6Dbq1HX_C8U
I read those links that you posted, where they cherry pick something from 1989 or 1973 okay, ya got me, I can't compete with that.  Now you watch the above video.
( I doubt that will)
The truth is that President Trump has done more positive for the black, latino & minorities  than any president since Abe Lincoln.

Ok so I am way behind on this thread but man you make me laugh for days.

From the past ten pages , you seem to not answer others questions , pose your own to somehow prove yourself smarter than others. You say NPR is something you cannot trust because it is too left lean  ( even though any graph will show you they are middle of the road )

Then you post something from NEWSMAX!!!! So if you thought Fox News is not right wing enough , go to OANN and if that is not your cup of tea and you really need something super right head own over to NEWSMAX the company founded by Steve Bannon.

Also you linked a non-political Sean Hannity clip , come on man and your last line in this post , I just can't I hope you really are trolling hard and don't believe all these things you are saying.  

I mean I know you are going to say I am wrong and that is fine.

Just wanted to thank you for the laughs and misinformation.

Thanks for the lols.

tbergs

Matts3221 said:

RYME said:

https://youtu.be/6Dbq1HX_C8U
I read those links that you posted, where they cherry pick something from 1989 or 1973 okay, ya got me, I can't compete with that.  Now you watch the above video.
( I doubt that will)
The truth is that President Trump has done more positive for the black, latino & minorities  than any president since Abe Lincoln.

Ok so I am way behind on this thread but man you make me laugh for days.

From the past ten pages , you seem to not answer others questions , pose your own to somehow prove yourself smarter than others. You say NPR is something you cannot trust because it is too left lean  ( even though any graph will show you they are middle of the road )

Then you post something from NEWSMAX!!!! So if you thought Fox News is not right wing enough , go to OANN and if that is not your cup of tea and you really need something super right head own over to NEWSMAX the company founded by Steve Bannon.

Also you linked a non-political Sean Hannity clip , come on man and your last line in this post , I just can't I hope you really are trolling hard and don't believe all these things you are saying.  

I mean I know you are going to say I am wrong and that is fine.

Just wanted to thank you for the laughs and misinformation.

Thanks for the lols.

No need to wonder, the banned can't speak.

dignin

brianlux said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

wndowpayne said:

They have replaced a Robert e Lee statue with a George Floyd hologram in Richmond..

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I think it's ridiculous that George Floyd is being used as a figure to represent African American pride.  Yes, it's tragic that he was murdered- absolutely!  But was the man a hero?  Did he accomplish great things in his life?  No, he was not.  He was a victim, yes, but a great man?  No. Why instead do they not raise statues of true African American heroes?  I could name dozens.  Anyone here (I hope) could name at least several.

You don't have to be a great man to inspire positive change. If he inspires a movement that makes lives better, saves lives and helps create a more just society...that qualifies as a hero in my book.

Floyd did nothing to inspire change.  If that's what we're basing it on, maybe put up a statue of the person who took the video that brought this incident to light.

I stand by my thinking.  How many statues of Ida B. Wells have we seen?  Or Frederick Douglas?  Thurgood Marshall?  Harriet Tubman?  Duke Ellington?  These are the people who deserve our praise, not some less than average guy who just happened to be a victim of police violence.

In the end it doesn't matter how you or I feel about him. His death did inspire hundreds of thousands to get out and march for change, that is not really debatable. Who am I to know or tell what motivates other people. He didn't inspire you? Fine, that's cool, but you don't speak for everyone.

I don't really think it's fair to call the guy less than average either. Unless, of course, you knew him personally.

wndowpayne

The hologram is fine by me but they are poking the bear by putting it over a confederate statue.Richmond is a riot hot spot recently..This isnt going to help.

The Juggler

Matts3221 said:

RYME said:

https://youtu.be/6Dbq1HX_C8U
I read those links that you posted, where they cherry pick something from 1989 or 1973 okay, ya got me, I can't compete with that.  Now you watch the above video.
( I doubt that will)
The truth is that President Trump has done more positive for the black, latino & minorities  than any president since Abe Lincoln.

Ok so I am way behind on this thread but man you make me laugh for days.

From the past ten pages , you seem to not answer others questions , pose your own to somehow prove yourself smarter than others. You say NPR is something you cannot trust because it is too left lean  ( even though any graph will show you they are middle of the road )

Then you post something from NEWSMAX!!!! So if you thought Fox News is not right wing enough , go to OANN and if that is not your cup of tea and you really need something super right head own over to NEWSMAX the company founded by Steve Bannon.

Also you linked a non-political Sean Hannity clip , come on man and your last line in this post , I just can't I hope you really are trolling hard and don't believe all these things you are saying.  

I mean I know you are going to say I am wrong and that is fine.

Just wanted to thank you for the laughs and misinformation.

Thanks for the lols.

Hey come on....it's a video featuring Trump's first press secretary. I'm sure it's pretty accurate. 

brianlux

Yes, BLM