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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 36,045
    First of all, no doubt about it, Dolly Parton is a wonder lady.  But what am I missing here?  She has tons of money and bought a building for herself in Nashville in a black neighborhood.  How is this related to Black Lives Matter and what does this do for black lives in general?

    Don't get me wrong- I am in no way being critical here.  I just don't understand how this helps black live.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 518
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.

  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 26,341
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,486
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

    Or that after all that has transpired over the past 5 or 6 years that the color of your skin doesn't influence how the police respond?
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 26,341
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

    Or that after all that has transpired over the past 5 or 6 years that the color of your skin doesn't influence how the police respond?

    Yeah, I think that is just as crazy...but, putting that aside...being a drunk asswipe gets you shot these days?
    What in the heck is going on?
    No weapon, no hostages or anything like that, just a drunken mess.


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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 518
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

    Or that after all that has transpired over the past 5 or 6 years that the color of your skin doesn't influence how the police respond?

    Yeah, I think that is just as crazy...but, putting that aside...being a drunk asswipe gets you shot these days?
    What in the heck is going on?
    No weapon, no hostages or anything like that, just a drunken mess.


    A drunken AGGRESSIVE mess. He fought with the cops and injured them. No taser or gun was used luckily.

    To answer your question, no, only being a drunk ass wipe does not mean you deserve to get shot. My point is that if you choose to fight with the police, you increase your chances of being shot. That seems like common sense to me.
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 518
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

    Or that after all that has transpired over the past 5 or 6 years that the color of your skin doesn't influence how the police respond?
    The color of his skin obviously didn't influence how the police responded to THIS incident. Like I said in my original statement, "I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response. "
  • JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/richard-sherman-wifes-frightening-911-call-hes-threatening-to-kill-himself/

    So if anyone still wonders if all black people worry about police responses the answer is yes, even if you have money. 
    I get the point you're trying to prove here but did you read the whole article?

    It clearly says Richard Sherman was drunk and belligerent. It also says he was being aggressive and fighting with his uncle.

    It doesn't matter what color you are, if you are drunk, belligerent and aggressive, you should be worried about the police response.

    The article doesn't mention how Richard Sherman was let out of jail without bail because the judge considers him a  "pillar of the community". He was drinking and driving, crashed his car on the highway, fighting with his uncle and then fighting with the police and injured the police during his arrest.

    I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response.

    Richard Sherman's wife was rightfully worried about the police shooting him but it shouldn't of been because of the color of his skin.


    Wait....you think someone being drunk and disorderly should make them fear for their lives?
    What happened to tasers?  Other ways to subdue?
    Wasn't like the guy is running around with a gun.

    Or that after all that has transpired over the past 5 or 6 years that the color of your skin doesn't influence how the police respond?
    The color of his skin obviously didn't influence how the police responded to THIS incident. Like I said in my original statement, "I'm not trying to make light of the violence against the black community but this is a poor example of black people having to worry about police response. "
    I did read the entire article.  
    Since I posted the original I’ll throw my two cents in.  My thoughts were based on my father waving a gun around threatening suicide on several occasions (no he didn’t drink, just fucking crazy) during my childhood but never once did we think the cops would shoot him when we called for help. 
    So I get what your saying…guess it was a kind of flashback for me and I compared the two incidents so maybe not the best example.  
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 518
    I'm sorry to hear your story. 

    If I remember correctly, Richard Sherman had all of his guns taken away from him a few months ago because he was threatening to kill himself then as well. I can't remember the whole story as it only came to light last month during this incident.

    He has been going through some mental struggles and I hope he receives the help he needs.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,748
    great piece by dan rather and his team.....


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    another one down.....


    Statue of Confederate Robert E. Lee taken down in Virginia
    By SARAH RANKIN and DENISE LAVOIE
    9 mins ago

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Crews using a crane and other heavy equipment on Wednesday hoisted an enormous statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee off the giant pedestal where it has towered over Virginia’s capital city for more than a century.

    The piece, one of America’s largest monuments to the Confederacy, was lifted away to boisterous cheers from a crowd of hundreds. Some chanted “whose streets? Our streets!" and “Hey hey hey, goodbye.”

    The statue was lowered to the ground where it was expected to be cut into pieces so that it can be brought to a secure location, where it will be stored until its final disposition is determined.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — After years of resistance and a long court battle, one of America’s largest monuments to the Confederacy was being pulled from its prominent perch in Virginia’s capital city Wednesday.

    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam ordered the Richmond statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee taken down last summer, citing the pain felt across the country over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis after a white police officer pressed a knee into his neck. But until a recent court ruling cleared the way, Northam’s plans had been tied up in litigation.

    The statue, a 21-foot (6-meter) bronze equestrian sculpture that sits atop a pedestal nearly twice that tall, has towered above a prominent residential boulevard named Monument Avenue since 1890 in this former capital of the Confederacy.

    Crews began work before 8 a.m. Wednesday. Two public viewing areas were set up, with only limited visibility. A crowd of about 200 people chanted “What do we want? Justice. When do we want it? Now!” as a work crew dwarfed by the size of the statue strapped red and blue harnesses to the Lee figure and his horse. The workers were lifted up to the statue on platforms.

    The state brought in a deconstruction crew surrounded by a heavy police presence to strap the statue to a crane. State, capitol and city police officers closed streets for blocks around the state-owned traffic circle in Richmond, using heavy equipment and crowd-control barriers to keep crowds away. The Federal Aviation Administration granted the state’s request to ban drone flights during the event, which will be livestreamed through the governor’s Facebook and Twitter accounts.

    “This is a historic moment for the city of Richmond. The city, the community at large is saying that we’re not going to stand for these symbols of hate in our city anymore. And it was important for me to be here to see this historic moment,” said Rachel Smucker, 28, a Richmond resident who was at the viewing site early Wednesday with her sister.

    Smucker, who is white, said she moved to Richmond around three years ago. It was her first time living in the South, and she found Monument Avenue “jarring.”

    “I’ve always found it to be offensive, as a symbol of protecting slavery and the racism that people of color still face today,” Smucker said.

    The one-of-a-kind piece, valued for its artistic quality, stood among four other massive Confederate statues on the avenue, but the city removed the others last summer.

    “We put things on pedestals when we want people to look up,” Northam said in June 2020 when he announced the removal plan. “Think about the message that this sends to people coming from around the world to visit the capital city of one of the largest states in our country. Or to young children.”


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,403
    edited October 2021
    Not sure this goes here, but they found the dude responsible for defacing the Floyd statue:
    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/8580470002

    Micah Beals, 37, was charged with criminal mischief after surveillance video showed a white man on a skateboard splash gray paint on the statue in the city's Union Square then fleeing on Oct. 3, the New York Police Department's hate crimes task force tweeted Monday.

    Under the stage name Micah Femia, Beals has played small roles on "Parks and Recreation" and "CSI: New York," the Sacramento BeeThe Hill and People Magazine reported. Beals first appeared on "CSI: New York" in 2005 and also starred in the 2013 movie "Pop Star," according to IMDb.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,486
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    Ahmaud Arbery murder case sentencing is in. The father/son get life without parole plus 20 years. The other bumpkin gets life with an opportunity for parole.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,486
    FiveBelow said:
    Well everything else is getting defaced. If Virgin Mary statues are going to be set on fire, there's no reason BLM murals can't be defaced too...


    Could have been done by a former choirboy. It’s not like the Catholic Church doesn’t have baggage or clean hands. Not everything traces back to BLM.
    Sure it does. Since the Floyd murder, people have felt empowered to go around destroying stuff. Especially symbols of things. Symbols of America like George Washington, symbols of Christianity like Virgin Mary, etc. So if even if it was a disgruntled choirboy, if not for the aftermath of the Floyd murder, he probably wouldn't have done this. 

    Do you think people were openly going around spray-painting stuff like this before the Floyd "movement"?


    That could have been done by Proud Boys or Buggaloos to stir shit up, particularly as the graffiti lacks Skilz, yo. What’s behind the fence? And yes, shit like that was spray painted before George Floyd’s murder, you just didn’t hear about it nor were afraid because of it.

    People have been vandalizing shit since the beginning of time and spray painting or tagging shit since spray paint was invented. But let’s blame all vandalism and spray painting on the post George Floyd protests. “Get back in your place, you doth protesteth too much.”
    So a Virgin Mary statue is defaced, maybe it's a choirboy! 

    "Kill White People" is spray-painted, maybe it's white supremacist trying to stir shit!

    A girl is shot for saying "All Lives Matter," immediately you speculated that maybe she or her friends said the N-word!

    Let me guess, the one-year-old that was murdered in NYC ripped the murderers off and the kid had it coming?
    Because former choir boys ain’t got no reason, right?

    Buggaloos and Proud Boys ain’t never tried to stir shit up, right?

    I didn’t speculate, I read the NY Post article reporting about what transpired. It said the following:

    They argued with another group after one of the people Whitaker was with used a racial slur, her bereaved fiancé, Jose Ramirez, told WXIN.

    A racially charged confrontation ensued with the other group, during which the suspect’s group shouted, “Black Lives Matter,” and someone in Whitaker’s group — possibly her — said, “all lives matter,” Ramirez said.

    Is that what you think the 1 year old did? You're whacked, yo.
    As you well know, that's a caricature of you, obviously. You look to place blame anywhere and everywhere except where you know it belongs, to fit your politcal narratives, so that does seem like something you'd say. You sure as hell won't acknowledge how shootings are rising under De Blasio (up 130% from last year). Or that it was two black dudes that shot the one-year-old, because not the type of gun violence you like to talk about, yo. 
    I don't believe I commented on the one year old and I also believe my stance on firearms and "responsible" gun owners is well known. While you seem to want to blame gun violence solely on a person or group's skin color, I tend to think its much more complicated than that. Like unemployment, lack of opportunity, drugs, gangs, institutionalized racism, and yes, "responsible" gun owners flooding the illegal gun buyers market. You claim not to see "race" but yet you perpetuate the stereotypes. Constantly. See the NY Post article and your comment to me about me wanting to say maybe the N word was used. Nice to know that you also defend the Catholic church, a harmless/blameless organization. I wonder what the caricature of you would be because we all know white people don't shoot anyone?
    You are delusional. Bringing up race is kind of your thing.

    Bringing up race = delusional? Got it. Because everyone knows, race doesn't matter. You have a strange understanding of the word "delusional." See the difference?

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