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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,908
    brianlux said:
    I'm starting to think the whole current civil rights movement ,and the aim of achieving equality and fairness, and an effort to resolve the ongoing issues of racism has begum to derail in a big way.  

    With the death of John Lewis, we have lost one of the great civil rights leaders- a man with the energy, intelligence, leadership abilities, and commitment to do great work toward moving things ahead in the right direction.  And before him, gone are the others who possessed similar qualities- Martin Luther King, Paul Robeson, Medgar Evers, Barbara Jordan, Stokely Carmichael, among others. 

    Today, we have a few remaining folks who fill those shoes, but few that stand to tall.  Currently, it seems like there is more disorganization and confusion as to how to achieve the goal of civil rights, and an organization- Black Lives Matter- that seems to be a fractured body with poor direction and weak leadership.  There are various reason for that- sensationalist "news" media, infiltrators, unfocused anger, and, of course,  the ongoing resistance from white supremacists.

    It's very difficult and disheartening to have grown up in the well focused times of civil rights and watch the whole thing basically become a confused clusterfuck.  It's not that everything was perfectly well orchestrated in 1950's through 1970's Civil Rights times, but it sure was a hell of a lot better focused and organized.  I don't see how this is going to end well. 
    Agreed, the mission of division is almost complete once the violence starts with one group against the other it will be a war! Election or not ..
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm starting to think the whole current civil rights movement ,and the aim of achieving equality and fairness, and an effort to resolve the ongoing issues of racism has begum to derail in a big way.  

    With the death of John Lewis, we have lost one of the great civil rights leaders- a man with the energy, intelligence, leadership abilities, and commitment to do great work toward moving things ahead in the right direction.  And before him, gone are the others who possessed similar qualities- Martin Luther King, Paul Robeson, Medgar Evers, Barbara Jordan, Stokely Carmichael, among others. 

    Today, we have a few remaining folks who fill those shoes, but few that stand to tall.  Currently, it seems like there is more disorganization and confusion as to how to achieve the goal of civil rights, and an organization- Black Lives Matter- that seems to be a fractured body with poor direction and weak leadership.  There are various reason for that- sensationalist "news" media, infiltrators, unfocused anger, and, of course,  the ongoing resistance from white supremacists.

    It's very difficult and disheartening to have grown up in the well focused times of civil rights and watch the whole thing basically become a confused clusterfuck.  It's not that everything was perfectly well orchestrated in 1950's through 1970's Civil Rights times, but it sure was a hell of a lot better focused and organized.  I don't see how this is going to end well. 
    Agreed, the mission of division is almost complete once the violence starts with one group against the other it will be a war! Election or not ..

    Exactly, J. 
    I saw an example of this on FaceBook Friday.  There was a demonstration here in Placerville with BLM supporters on one side of the street and counter-protesters on the other side.  It's unclear how the shit got  stirred (both sides blame the other), but after awhile the two sides were in each others faces yelling and screaming at each other.  I'm obviously in agreement with supporting civil rights and ending racism, but all my years, I have never seen once anyone change their mind or behaviors as a result  of someone being in their face yelling and screaming.  It only escalated.  Eventually, there will be likely be greater violence.  What would make more sense is better education- educated people are less likely to be bigots.  Better legislation probably comes into play as well although I don't know how we could legislate racism away other than protecting voters rights and ending gerrymandering. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2020
    Black lady pouring paint on BLM street “mural”?  Still a “hate crime”?
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-lives-matter-mural-trump-tower-fifth-avenue-new-york-city-vandalized-again-second-time/

    What an interesting universe we live in...
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,273

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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Science-lover here....this is a good one. :)



    Falling down,...not staying down
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Kat said:
    Science-lover here....this is a good one. :)



    Yes, we are all Homo sapiens.  We killed off all of the other species long ago, ha
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Science-lover here....this is a good one. :)



    Yes, we are all Homo sapiens.  We killed off all of the other species long ago, ha
    My cat vehemently disagrees!  :lol: 

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2020
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Kat said:
    Science-lover here....this is a good one. :)



    Yes, we are all Homo sapiens.  We killed off all of the other species long ago, ha
    My cat vehemently disagrees!  :lol: 

    Humanoids :). Like Neanderthals, etc.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,482
    PJPOWER said:
    Black lady pouring paint on BLM street “mural”?  Still a “hate crime”?
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-lives-matter-mural-trump-tower-fifth-avenue-new-york-city-vandalized-again-second-time/

    What an interesting universe we live in...
    I still don’t think just painting over BLM is a hate crime even for a white person. Unless they paint some hate message after painting over it.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,273
    soooo first it was Wall of Moms linking arms to protect protestors from the keystone kops. then tear gas was used on them.

    Now PDX DAD POD shows up in force with leaf blowers and hockey sticks. Leaf blowers to try and disperse chem agents and air out clothing and hockey sticks to bat the canisters right back at the feds.....


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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,908
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/07/20/gabe-kapler-kneeling-national-anthem-san-francisco-giants-bruce-maxwell/5477344002/
    so it begins no one should be surprised by this, I’m sure if the NFL & NBA get to have a season most if not all players will be taking knees and it will drive the baffoon nuts! 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,908
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnNumTYhUf8
    The time Kap spoke to J Lewis on the phone ..
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    mickeyrat said:
    soooo first it was Wall of Moms linking arms to protect protestors from the keystone kops. then tear gas was used on them.

    Now PDX DAD POD shows up in force with leaf blowers and hockey sticks. Leaf blowers to try and disperse chem agents and air out clothing and hockey sticks to bat the canisters right back at the feds.....


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2020
    mickeyrat said:
    soooo first it was Wall of Moms linking arms to protect protestors from the keystone kops. then tear gas was used on them.

    Now PDX DAD POD shows up in force with leaf blowers and hockey sticks. Leaf blowers to try and disperse chem agents and air out clothing and hockey sticks to bat the canisters right back at the feds.....


    Is BLM even associating with this anymore?  Looks like a sea of privileged white “anarchists” and their moms, which actually makes perfect sense!
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    PJPOWER said:
    mickeyrat said:
    soooo first it was Wall of Moms linking arms to protect protestors from the keystone kops. then tear gas was used on them.

    Now PDX DAD POD shows up in force with leaf blowers and hockey sticks. Leaf blowers to try and disperse chem agents and air out clothing and hockey sticks to bat the canisters right back at the feds.....


    Is BLM even associating with this anymore? 
     
    Yes

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wall-moms-stand-between-portland-black-lives-matter-protesters-federal-n1234323

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2020
    Still not convinced.  Seems like a guise from what I can tell.  I assume there are a lot of basements and Hot Topic stores around Portland that stink of teargas and pepper spray these days. 
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    They ought to change the town’s name to WhyI’missing. But you know statues and federal buildings.

    https://twitter.com/labousaab44/status/1285372331502772226


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    They ought to change the town’s name to WhyI’missing. But you know statues and federal buildings.

    https://twitter.com/labousaab44/status/1285372331502772226


    https://apple.news/Aqo9cJzDMQa64H4NR2Mxi3w

    Kind of hard to say what's up here.  It does look like police brutality but on the other hand, is (as the Apple news article state) the guy was weaving through isle, hitting carts, playing loud music and shouting profanities, having the cops called would be expected.  So once again, a story that makes it difficult to come up with a definitive assessment of the situation.  Welcome to the wonderful world of 21st century media.

    And believe me, if this was truly a case of police brutality, I will be steamed. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    They ought to change the town’s name to WhyI’missing. But you know statues and federal buildings.

    https://twitter.com/labousaab44/status/1285372331502772226


    https://apple.news/Aqo9cJzDMQa64H4NR2Mxi3w

    Kind of hard to say what's up here.  It does look like police brutality but on the other hand, is (as the Apple news article state) the guy was weaving through isle, hitting carts, playing loud music and shouting profanities, having the cops called would be expected.  So once again, a story that makes it difficult to come up with a definitive assessment of the situation.  Welcome to the wonderful world of 21st century media.

    And believe me, if this was truly a case of police brutality, I will be steamed. 
    Funny, didn’t read that obscenities were yelled and according to the filmer, he rode the bike and paid compliments to people. Maybe the store manager had a Karen moment? Regardless, tased after being cuffed? Walmart has cameras everywhere so I guess they should be able to determine whether he rode into carts and shelves, etc.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    They ought to change the town’s name to WhyI’missing. But you know statues and federal buildings.

    https://twitter.com/labousaab44/status/1285372331502772226


    https://apple.news/Aqo9cJzDMQa64H4NR2Mxi3w

    Kind of hard to say what's up here.  It does look like police brutality but on the other hand, is (as the Apple news article state) the guy was weaving through isle, hitting carts, playing loud music and shouting profanities, having the cops called would be expected.  So once again, a story that makes it difficult to come up with a definitive assessment of the situation.  Welcome to the wonderful world of 21st century media.

    And believe me, if this was truly a case of police brutality, I will be steamed. 
    Funny, didn’t read that obscenities were yelled and according to the filmer, he rode the bike and paid compliments to people. Maybe the store manager had a Karen moment? Regardless, tased after being cuffed? Walmart has cameras everywhere so I guess they should be able to determine whether he rode into carts and shelves, etc.

    Yeah, damn tasers.  That part is wrong, for sure.  If the cameras prove the dude was being cool in the isles, I hope he gets justice!  The if the manager lied, whatever she deserves. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    As relevant now as the day it was written by the incomparable Jimmy Cliff

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    The Harder They Come

    Oh yeah, oh yeah
    Well they tell me of a pie up in the sky
    Waiting for me when I die
    But between the day you're born and when you die
    They never seem to hear even your cry
    So as sure as the sun will shine
    I'm gonna get my share now of what's mine
    And then the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Ooh the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Well the oppressors are trying to keep me down
    Trying to drive me underground
    And they think that they have got the battle won
    I say forgive them Lord
    They know not what they've done
    'Cause as sure as the sun will shine
    I'm gonna get my share now of what's mine
    And then the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Ooh the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Ooh, yeah, oh yeah, woah yeah ooh
    And I keep on fighting for the things I want
    Though I know that when you're dead you can't
    But I'd rather be a free man in my grave
    Than living as a puppet or a slave
    So as sure as the sun will shine
    I'm gonna get my share now of what's mine
    And then the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Ooh the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, one and all
    Yeah, the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall one and all
    What I say now what I say now, ooh
    What I say now what I say
    One time, the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall
    Wanna know
    Ooh the harder they come
    The harder they'll fall, wanna know
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    Ledbetterman10 said:

    Nice! Well done. I wonder which statue will be blamed for this. 
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    Wow.  Awful.  
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    Ledbetterman10 said:


    Ahhh no, that's just wrong.  What the hell?
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    Videos Show How Federal Officers Escalated Violence in Portland

    By Ainara Tiefenthäler, Evan Hill, Drew Jordan, Malachy Browne and David Botti •July 24, 2020

    Peaceful protests were already happening for weeks when federal officers arrived on July 4. Our video shows how President Trump’s deployment ignited chaos




    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007243995/portland-protests-federal-government.html


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,293
    dignin said:

    Videos Show How Federal Officers Escalated Violence in Portland

    By Ainara Tiefenthäler, Evan Hill, Drew Jordan, Malachy Browne and David Botti •July 24, 2020

    Peaceful protests were already happening for weeks when federal officers arrived on July 4. Our video shows how President Trump’s deployment ignited chaos




    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007243995/portland-protests-federal-government.html



    This does not bode well.


    America 'staring down the barrel of martial law', Oregon senator warns


    America is “staring down the barrel of martial law” as it approaches the presidential election, a US senator from Oregon has warned as Donald Trump cracks down on protests in Portland, the state’s biggest city.



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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    Bentleyspop said:
        
    Wow! That’s a lot of ANTIFA. And thugs. And radical libs.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
        
    Wow! That’s a lot of ANTIFA. And thugs. And radical libs.

    It's just total anarchy.
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