Black Lives Matter

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

nicknyr15

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

And outdoor sporting events and concerts which can be assigned distanced seating, unlike a protest. But whatever. 

Ledbetterman10

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

And outdoor sporting events and concerts which can be assigned distanced seating, unlike a protest. But whatever. 

That's true, but there might be some subtle differences that might need to be taken into consideration for a concert or sporting event. A BLM protest is, from a Covid health point of view, the exact same thing as a parade. And if the virus isn't spreading during those outdoor protests because of people wearing masks, then it wouldn't spread for a parade would it? But I guess De Blasio doesn't get any political points for allowing parades. But for BLM protests? Big time woke credibility for ole Billy Boy.

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Show me some data directly correlating parades and other outdoor events (concerts, etc) to a spike in cases.

Ledbetterman10

@PJPOWER ^^^^I think you meant to quote oftenreading and ask him/her to show you that data. You already responded to my post by saying "Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests."

Unless you are asking me for that data, in which case, I have none. 

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

@PJPOWER ^^^^I think you meant to quote oftenreading and ask him/her to show you that data. You already responded to my post by saying "Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests."

Unless you are asking me for that data, in which case, I have none. 

Correct

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.

Feel free to attend Mace's birthday protest. You'll get cake.

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

brianlux

mace1229 said:

I had to cancel my birthday party. Instead I’m protesting turning 40. I invited the same people to the protest. There will be cake for those who help protest my cause.

Happy Birthday! 

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

I’ll do the same:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-evaluate-coronavirus-risks-from-black-lives-matter-protests/

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

I’ll do the same:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-evaluate-coronavirus-risks-from-black-lives-matter-protests/

There seems to have been a certain amount of mission creep in your demands. First it was for "logic", so I explained the epidemiological logic behind why certain types of outdoor activities are different than other outdoor activities. Then it wasn't really logic that you wanted, it was proof, which I suppose is fair enough but not the original question. I provided some articles with data, which you didn't like. Fair enough - go with whatever you wish. 

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

I had to cancel my birthday party. Instead I’m protesting turning 40. I invited the same people to the protest. There will be cake for those who help protest my cause.

Happy Birthday! 

You saaaaaaaaaay you want a revolution, oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa………..

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

I’ll do the same:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-evaluate-coronavirus-risks-from-black-lives-matter-protests/

I'm also not sure what your point was with this article. No one has claimed there's zero risk with protests, just that it seems to be lower than some other types of outdoor activities, which your expert also notes.

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

I’ll do the same:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-evaluate-coronavirus-risks-from-black-lives-matter-protests/

I'm also not sure what your point was with this article. No one has claimed there's zero risk with protests, just that it seems to be lower than some other types of outdoor activities, which your expert also notes.

I think we are both missing each other’s points, so I’ll leave it at that.  Off to do more important things, enjoy your weekend!

josevolution

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

Bingo!