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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    "Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

    Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.
    Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
    People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.



    No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 
    Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.


    I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

    And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.
    I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

    Interesting.  

    If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

    It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2020
    I think it was off-the-cusp and meant to be “funny.” He said he wasn’t anti-Semite, he’s anti-termite. I guess it’s funny cause it rhymes? I don’t know. 

    I’m also of the belief that he was in on the assassination of Malcolm X (as X’s family believed). I dunno, I just think he’s a scumbag and the last guy people should be referencing during a racial equality movement. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    He’s a hateful piece of shit, no better than the likes of Dukes. 
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    "Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

    Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.
    Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
    People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.



    No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 
    Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.


    I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

    And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.
    I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

    Interesting.  

    If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

    It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 
    It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,019
    You guys are getting caught up i semantics. 
    The word "delusional" can be used clinically as in:
    characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder
    or in a more non-clinical sense
    based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken




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    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    You guys are getting caught up i semantics. 
    The word "delusional" can be used clinically as in:
    characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder
    or in a more non-clinical sense
    based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken




    Case closed!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    "Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

    Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.
    Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
    People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.



    No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 
    Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.


    I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

    And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.
    I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

    Interesting.  

    If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

    It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 
    It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.
    Except I'm still waiting for you to point out where I stated that I believe only one race is responsible for gun violence. Which is where your "delusional" label emanated from, right?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    JW269453 said:
    "Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

    Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.
    Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
    People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.



    No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 
    Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.


    I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

    And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.
    I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

    Interesting.  

    If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

    It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 
    It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.
    Except I'm still waiting for you to point out where I stated that I believe only one race is responsible for gun violence. Which is where your "delusional" label emanated from, right?
    We already went over why I used the D-word yesterday.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    edited July 2020
    from L10s post.....

    "they're going to play a song that's considered the "Black National Anthem" before the real national anthem."

    bad phrasing imo.....
    the qualifier of "real" is unnecessary to my eye.

    it goes back to Kap and his objection to the lyrics, in particular the parts left out of the actual song. Doesnt include "all lives" to my reading.

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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,833
    Full story:   https://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893#replies


    Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem


    Americans generally get a failing grade when it comes to knowing our “patriotic songs.” I know more people who can recite “America, F—k Yeah” from Team America than “America the Beautiful.” “Yankee Doodle”? No one older than a fifth-grader in chorus class remembers the full song. “God Bless America”? More people know the Rev. Jeremiah Wright remix than the actual full lyrics of the song. Most black folks don’t even know “the black national anthem.” (There’s a great story about Bill Clinton being at an NAACP meeting where he was the only one who knew it past the first line. Bill Clinton: Woke in the ’90s.)

    In the case of our national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner,” perhaps not knowing the full lyrics is a good thing. It is one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon, and you would be wise to cut it from your Fourth of July playlist.

    “The Star-Spangled Banner,” as most Americans know it, is only a couple of lines. In fact, if you look up the song on Google, only the most famous lyrics pop up on Page 1:


    A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1814. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:


    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    Ok...I really don't understand the issue with using delusional.  I'll be honest, picking on it seems really petty to me.  But of course other words and common phrases have gone by the wayside in similar fashion.  So maybe?  Nah I just don't get it.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    edited July 2020
    short episode from july 4. very good. Michael Steele podcast


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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,762
    From Selma to BLM
    A truly great American has died....


  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,019
    From Selma to BLM
    A truly great American has died....



    Damn.  What a loss.  A huge loss.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    Surprised no one here is talking about this video since the cop is essentially talking about a majority of “protestors “ being racist white people. Ironic. 
  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,434
    edited July 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    Surprised no one here is talking about this video since the cop is essentially talking about a majority of “protestors “ being racist white people. Ironic. 
    You actually think thats true? The majority of protestors are racist white people? Also why is the video cut up and edited like it is. Why not just show the whole thing I wonder?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    PJNB said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Surprised no one here is talking about this video since the cop is essentially talking about a majority of “protestors “ being racist white people. Ironic. 
    You actually think thats true? The majority of protestors are racist white people? Also why is the video cut up and edited like it is. Why not just show the whole thing I wonder?
    I don’t think that. It just sounds like that from this 1 cops perspective . Honestly to me, it’s just a shame what this movement is becoming. Another thing that started good but is slowly becoming bad. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,522
    brianlux said:
    From Selma to BLM
    A truly great American has died....



    Damn.  What a loss.  A huge loss.
    Yeah big loss for democracy and you know MCConell is on his knees praying for Ginsburg to kick the bucket same with the Baffoon has not even offered condolences on his passing!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,019
    brianlux said:
    From Selma to BLM
    A truly great American has died....



    Damn.  What a loss.  A huge loss.
    Yeah big loss for democracy and you know MCConell is on his knees praying for Ginsburg to kick the bucket same with the Baffoon has not even offered condolences on his passing!

    I think about that from time to time.  I'm not a religious kind of guy, but whenever I think about Ginsburg,  I think, "Thank you God, for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.  Please keep her here at least until the end of the year."   I know that sounds selfish, but I do so hope, hope, hope.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,762
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From Selma to BLM
    A truly great American has died....



    Damn.  What a loss.  A huge loss.
    Yeah big loss for democracy and you know MCConell is on his knees praying for Ginsburg to kick the bucket same with the Baffoon has not even offered condolences on his passing!

    I think about that from time to time.  I'm not a religious kind of guy, but whenever I think about Ginsburg,  I think, "Thank you God, for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.  Please keep her here at least until the end of the year."   I know that sounds selfish, but I do so hope, hope, hope.
    Just to make sure she better keep her around till at least January 21st, 2021
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/black-lives-matter-mural-outside-trump-tower-again-defaced/

    Is this a hate crime? 
    These murals cause more problems than anything unfortunately. And I firmly believe that it was disingenuous on DeBlasios part and was pure political bickering. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/black-lives-matter-mural-outside-trump-tower-again-defaced/

    Is this a hate crime? 
    These murals cause more problems than anything unfortunately. And I firmly believe that it was disingenuous on DeBlasios part and was pure political bickering. 
    They’re a problem because racist assholes deface them?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/black-lives-matter-mural-outside-trump-tower-again-defaced/

    Is this a hate crime? 
    These murals cause more problems than anything unfortunately. And I firmly believe that it was disingenuous on DeBlasios part and was pure political bickering. 
    They’re a problem because racist assholes deface them?
    Racist assholes? The racist black woman? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/black-lives-matter-mural-outside-trump-tower-again-defaced/

    Is this a hate crime? 
    These murals cause more problems than anything unfortunately. And I firmly believe that it was disingenuous on DeBlasios part and was pure political bickering. 
    They’re a problem because racist assholes deface them?
    Racist assholes? The racist black woman? 
    Yea, racists. You know?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/black-lives-matter-mural-outside-trump-tower-again-defaced/

    Is this a hate crime? 
    These murals cause more problems than anything unfortunately. And I firmly believe that it was disingenuous on DeBlasios part and was pure political bickering. 
    They’re a problem because racist assholes deface them?
    Racist assholes? The racist black woman? 
    Yea, racists. You know?
    I don’t know. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,019
    I'm starting to think the whole current civil rights movement ,and the aim of achieving equality and fairness, and an effort to resolve the ongoing issues of racism has begum to derail in a big way.  

    With the death of John Lewis, we have lost one of the great civil rights leaders- a man with the energy, intelligence, leadership abilities, and commitment to do great work toward moving things ahead in the right direction.  And before him, gone are the others who possessed similar qualities- Martin Luther King, Paul Robeson, Medgar Evers, Barbara Jordan, Stokely Carmichael, among others. 

    Today, we have a few remaining folks who fill those shoes, but few that stand to tall.  Currently, it seems like there is more disorganization and confusion as to how to achieve the goal of civil rights, and an organization- Black Lives Matter- that seems to be a fractured body with poor direction and weak leadership.  There are various reason for that- sensationalist "news" media, infiltrators, unfocused anger, and, of course,  the ongoing resistance from white supremacists.

    It's very difficult and disheartening to have grown up in the well focused times of civil rights and watch the whole thing basically become a confused clusterfuck.  It's not that everything was perfectly well orchestrated in 1950's through 1970's Civil Rights times, but it sure was a hell of a lot better focused and organized.  I don't see how this is going to end well. 
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    brianlux said:
    I'm starting to think the whole current civil rights movement ,and the aim of achieving equality and fairness, and an effort to resolve the ongoing issues of racism has begum to derail in a big way.  

    With the death of John Lewis, we have lost one of the great civil rights leaders- a man with the energy, intelligence, leadership abilities, and commitment to do great work toward moving things ahead in the right direction.  And before him, gone are the others who possessed similar qualities- Martin Luther King, Paul Robeson, Medgar Evers, Barbara Jordan, Stokely Carmichael, among others. 

    Today, we have a few remaining folks who fill those shoes, but few that stand to tall.  Currently, it seems like there is more disorganization and confusion as to how to achieve the goal of civil rights, and an organization- Black Lives Matter- that seems to be a fractured body with poor direction and weak leadership.  There are various reason for that- sensationalist "news" media, infiltrators, unfocused anger, and, of course,  the ongoing resistance from white supremacists.

    It's very difficult and disheartening to have grown up in the well focused times of civil rights and watch the whole thing basically become a confused clusterfuck.  It's not that everything was perfectly well orchestrated in 1950's through 1970's Civil Rights times, but it sure was a hell of a lot better focused and organized.  I don't see how this is going to end well. 
    Pretty spot on post. Well said. 
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