The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
It was the police's responsibility to handle. Even if they were not effective, he and others like him didn't have that responsibility and shouldn't have been there.
I don't disagree with that.
Again, none of it happens if police are allowed to do their jobs.
It's a shitty catch 22. It doesn't have a right answer that will appease everyone.
I don't see that the police weren't allowed to do their jobs, more or less that they were overwhelmed. The lengths that would have to be gone to to get crowds that large into shape would be very authoritarian.
Crowd control isn't pretty sometimes. Another catch 22.
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?
If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then? Edit: Bro...
Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?
To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Scare people in what way, that he might use deadly force against them. Seems reasonable, go to a town that isnt in your state with a firearm to scare people that are protesting against something you don't agree with. Sure I'm sure the thought of actually using the gun never in 1000 years crossed his mind. Cmon Man!
Intimidation would be my first thought, but that is just me. You see a security guard you think twice about stealing I would imagine?
If he did intend on harming someone then he got his wish and I can guarantee it is not how he thought it would end.
I don't mean to be piling on, I'm just curious as to how you have arrived at your opinion. It seems you are more trusting of people that purchase or borrow guns to transport them to areas of social unrest for the purposes of intimidation than I am. I get where you are coming from but can't understand.
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
I absolutely think he wanted to shoot people.
I'm in the minority on this and give humans too much leeway... I really do.
I'm not disputing that most people buy guns hoping not to use them. But I'd bet for every, say, 10 of those, there's one that fantasizes about it. And that one is probably more likely to go into a situation that opens himself up to potentially needing to.
It's always looked to me to me like pre-meditated self defense. It's just so obvious of an outcome of doing what he did. Best case...he got too exited wanting to "play cop." But from here it looks like someone that either was hoping for an excuse or actively trying to create an exucse.
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1) He gets off - likely shouldn't of been charged in the first place. If have issue with him doing what he was doing before what happened then that is a personal perspective and let the rule of law decide.
2) He going to get rich with libel lawsuits.
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Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?
If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then? Edit: Bro...
Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?
To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
Bro. You asked what guns do people buy that aren't meant to shoot people. I gave you 3 examples. A starter pistol, Sporting clay guns and Skeet guns.
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Scare people in what way, that he might use deadly force against them. Seems reasonable, go to a town that isnt in your state with a firearm to scare people that are protesting against something you don't agree with. Sure I'm sure the thought of actually using the gun never in 1000 years crossed his mind. Cmon Man!
Intimidation would be my first thought, but that is just me. You see a security guard you think twice about stealing I would imagine?
If he did intend on harming someone then he got his wish and I can guarantee it is not how he thought it would end.
I don't mean to be piling on, I'm just curious as to how you have arrived at your opinion. It seems you are more trusting of people that purchase or borrow guns to transport them to areas of social unrest for the purposes of intimidation than I am. I get where you are coming from but can't understand.
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
I absolutely think he wanted to shoot people.
I'm in the minority on this and give humans too much leeway... I really do.
I'm not disputing that most people buy guns hoping not to use them. But I'd bet for every, say, 10 of those, there's one that fantasizes about it. And that one is probably more likely to go into a situation that opens himself up to potentially needing to.
It's always looked to me to me like pre-meditated self defense. It's just so obvious of an outcome of doing what he did. Best case...he got too exited wanting to "play cop." But from here it looks like someone that either was hoping for an excuse or actively trying to create an exucse.
I seem to be wayyy too trusting. Yes.
You hire a body guard to protect you. He is there as a form of intimidation. He went there for the same reason.
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Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
Yes. I think he wanted to shoot people.
I know this. Because he shot people.
If he didn't want to shoot people. Then he wouldn't have.
It's that simple.
When I carried concealed it was never so I can shoot people...
You hope to never have to use it.
What was the cc for then?
In case you got lost on your way home from work, and ended up at the shooting range?
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The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
and if someone wouldn't have come from out of state with an ar-15 to use deadly force to protect property 2 more people would be alive today.
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Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?
If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then? Edit: Bro...
Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?
To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
Bro. You asked what guns do people buy that aren't meant to shoot people. I gave you 3 examples. A starter pistol, Sporting clay guns and Skeet guns.
Planet earth... Bro.
To be fair, I think thats only 2. wouldn't you use the same guns for trap and skeet? I used to do trap a lot, but never skeet, but I always thought you'd use the same gun. But in more seriousness, if you 2 are debating the purpose of purchasing a gun, very few are purchased with the intent to kill. You could argue that the majority of guns are designed with the purpose of killing, but I've never known one single person who bought a gun and said they wanted to kill someone with it. And that includes several law enforcement who carry. They buy guns because its easier to carry, for target practice or other sport. But rarely with the intent to use it on a person.
The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
and if someone wouldn't have come from out of state with an ar-15 to use deadly force to protect property 2 more people would be alive today.
All true. I don't think anyone there was truly innocent. I don't think they deserved to be shot. But I think everyone there was looking for some trouble to some extent.
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The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
if a cop hadnt kneeled on someones neck for 9 plus minutes killing a man by suffocation or another shooting someone in the back multiple times, I'd wager none of that would have followed.
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The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
if a cop hadnt kneeled on someones neck for 9 plus minutes killing a man by suffocation or another shooting someone in the back multiple times, I'd wager none of that would have followed.
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If George Floyd just gave back whatever he bought with the counterfeit $20 when the clerk asked him to……
The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
if a cop hadnt kneeled on someones neck for 9 plus minutes killing a man by suffocation or another shooting someone in the back multiple times, I'd wager none of that would have followed.
I want to play too!
If George Floyd just gave back whatever he bought with the counterfeit $20 when the clerk asked him to……
if our Constitution wasnt written to placate southern slave owners by deeming black people 3/5ths of a human being we wouldnt have seen that.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Jeezus man. You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?
You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.
Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?
If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then? Edit: Bro...
Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?
To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
Bro. You asked what guns do people buy that aren't meant to shoot people. I gave you 3 examples. A starter pistol, Sporting clay guns and Skeet guns.
Planet earth... Bro.
Other than the starters pistol, but maybe based on the Alec Baldwin tragic shooting thread, cannot both/all of those guns not be purchased to kill someone? You claimed,Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people. Like this has never happened in the history of gun purchasing in 'Murica. Like ever. Despite the examples you gave. Bro, what planet?
Did Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris purchase their guns, or have someone buy them for them, for the purposes of killing people?
This is why the pro gun crowd is perceived the way they are. You really don't believe, in the history of gun buying in 'Murica, that someone, you never knew or met, ever purchased a gun for the sole intent and purpose of killing someone? Really? How devoid of reality is that?
This is why the pro gun crowd is perceived the way they are. You really don't believe, in the history of gun buying in 'Murica, that someone, you never knew or met, ever purchased a gun for the sole intent and purpose of killing someone? Really? How devoid of reality is that?
You’re the one that posited that ALL guns are purchased for the express purpose of killing people, which any thinking person will recognize as nonsense.
Goose and gander, is my point.
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This is why the pro gun crowd is perceived the way they are. You really don't believe, in the history of gun buying in 'Murica, that someone, you never knew or met, ever purchased a gun for the sole intent and purpose of killing someone? Really? How devoid of reality is that?
How did you come to this conclusion from what has been posted? I’m fairly certain you could not find a single person who would claim this, and from observing the back and forth, this is not what tempo is claiming either. It sounded more like you were claiming all guns are purchased with the intent to kill someone.
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To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
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It's always looked to me to me like pre-meditated self defense. It's just so obvious of an outcome of doing what he did. Best case...he got too exited wanting to "play cop." But from here it looks like someone that either was hoping for an excuse or actively trying to create an exucse.
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You hire a body guard to protect you. He is there as a form of intimidation. He went there for the same reason.
That is my way of thinking like an 18YO.
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What was the cc for then?
In case you got lost on your way home from work, and ended up at the shooting range?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But in more seriousness, if you 2 are debating the purpose of purchasing a gun, very few are purchased with the intent to kill. You could argue that the majority of guns are designed with the purpose of killing, but I've never known one single person who bought a gun and said they wanted to kill someone with it. And that includes several law enforcement who carry. They buy guns because its easier to carry, for target practice or other sport. But rarely with the intent to use it on a person.
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if a cop hadnt kneeled on someones neck for 9 plus minutes killing a man by suffocation or another shooting someone in the back multiple times, I'd wager none of that would have followed.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Stupid John Hancock.
Did Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris purchase their guns, or have someone buy them for them, for the purposes of killing people?
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