Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

Women totally always tell the truth, just like everyone else.../s
I had a roommate in college that almost got kicked out of the dorms because a psycho ex-girlfriend started spreading rumors that he sexually assaulted her...when the authorities got involved, her tune changed and she admitted she “was really upset about the breakup”.  She moved back home the next semester do to the embarrassment she brought upon herself.  Did she think that he would take her back if she ruined her life or??? I try not to meander to far into psychos’ motivations.

hedonist

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

Agreed, idiotic. It’s not like we’re above men or anything. I certainly wouldn’t want to be treated as such.

JimmyV

Biden

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

It is a stupid saying, and it was a stupid saying when it was first uttered. It's unfortunate that it wasn't described as such at that time. Now it comes across as hypocrisy. (I mean from Democrats in general, not you in particular.)

mrussel1

Biden

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

It is a stupid saying, and it was a stupid saying when it was first uttered. It's unfortunate that it wasn't described as such at that time. Now it comes across as hypocrisy. (I mean from Democrats in general, not you in particular.)

Yeah I don't know who started it, or said it, or repeated it.  But it was extraordinarily short sighted.  If you read the Politico article, and now teh PBS one, it's hard to argue that the accusation is credible.  There is just simply too much counter-evidence.  

mrussel1

Biden

So much for Amash

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498136-amash-decides-against-libertarian-campaign-for-president

brianlux

Biden

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

What is the saying?

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

So much for Amash

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498136-amash-decides-against-libertarian-campaign-for-president

I wonder how many threats he endured.

mrussel1

Biden

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

What is the saying?

Believe all women

brianlux

Biden

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

so much for believe all women. 

It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

What is the saying?

Believe all women

Thanks, M.

No, I wish, but I don't think so.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

So much for Amash

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498136-amash-decides-against-libertarian-campaign-for-president

Crazy. I'll be interested to hear more backstory. You can read between the lines a little in his twitter thread. Regardless, it's disappointing. I guess I hope Vermin Supreme wins the LP nom just for the entertainment value. At least voters can see he's nuts on the surface - for most of the other candidates, you have to wait until they speak.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

Jason P

It's very hard for a 3rd party to gain momentum under normal circumstances.  Almost impossible under current conditions.  A certain waste of time and resources.

JimmyV

Biden

If there is ever going to be an election where Republicans and right-leaning independents might be looking for an alternative, 2020 is it. The decision to bail out this quickly is strange.

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

Maybe... good point.  Read the comments on Reason for the article.  Either Breitbart people hang on Reason because they let U post whatever you want,  or Libertarians are total dicks.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

I've been hunting around for info and the LNC is a dumpster fire. Like Jimmy said, it's a strange bail and I'll bet this was a big factor. They're digging in on decisions that are going to threaten ballot access and delay the nomination. I'm sure detailed stories will come out if anyone besides me cares. They'll be lucky to pull a fraction of what Gary Johnson got in 2016.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

Maybe... good point.  Read the comments on Reason for the article.  Either Breitbart people hang on Reason because they let U post whatever you want,  or Libertarians are total dicks.

There's definitely a lot of the latter. The objectivists that we bitch about are at it again.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?

There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination. 

OnWis97

Biden

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?

There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination. 

I think the primary obstacle is the same for any third party: it’s a huge uphill climb and on the national level voting third is essentially throwing a vote away. Success would take a slow climb starting locally and growing toward the ability to compete on the national stage over a period of decades.  This is for any party.

That said, you do make a point about this specific party; it’s tailor-made for purity tests.  In theory, things like Medicare and driver’s licenses should not exist...but most people don’t agree.  And either way, the smart move is to be pragmatic and get there after some easier hurdles have been cleared.  The hard-left has the same problem with impatience and not being able/willing to play the long game.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians

how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?

There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination. 

I think the primary obstacle is the same for any third party: it’s a huge uphill climb and on the national level voting third is essentially throwing a vote away. Success would take a slow climb starting locally and growing toward the ability to compete on the national stage over a period of decades.  This is for any party.

That said, you do make a point about this specific party; it’s tailor-made for purity tests.  In theory, things like Medicare and driver’s licenses should not exist...but most people don’t agree.  And either way, the smart move is to be pragmatic and get there after some easier hurdles have been cleared.  The hard-left has the same problem with impatience and not being able/willing to play the long game.

I go back and forth on your first paragraph. 4.5 million people voted for Johnson in 2016. Obviously nowhere near enough to win, but they got 4.5 million people to go out and affirmatively check the box for a third party. Ultimately I don't think it's either/or. Do all of that work locally and run candidates wherever you can, but taking big swings in a Presidential election can pay dividends, too.