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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,099
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.
    No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.

    There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.

    Maybe. I don't take it that way but I see how someone could. I'm just glad he was definitive on the issue. I am so used to wishy-washy Democrats that statements like this are refreshing to me.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.
    Not a dick move....he's a "law and order" kind of guy
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.
    No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.

    There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
    Hey, I'm merely an American by accident of birth.

    I'm all for the country remaining as divided as fuck.

    So is Russia. China, too.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,099
    dankind said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.
    No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.

    There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
    Hey, I'm merely an American by accident of birth.

    I'm all for the country remaining as divided as fuck.

    So is Russia. China, too.
    Commie.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I still have this feeling that tRump will resign prior to the election (if he knows he is toast) so that Pence can pardon him.

    I'd think he could do that between the election and the inauguration. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.

    The ideal response is "I'm just running for President right now...we're getting way ahead of ourselves.  I'd let the DOJ do their job but I don't know more than that."

    Still though, we're certainly holding him to a higher standard than the guy who talked about locking up his previous opponent during the election.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.

    The ideal response is "I'm just running for President right now...we're getting way ahead of ourselves.  I'd let the DOJ do their job but I don't know more than that."

    Still though, we're certainly holding him to a higher standard than the guy who talked about locking up his previous opponent during the election.
    And who still hears it chanted at his rallies.

    I personally would hate that answer. It may be appropriate in perfect times but these times are from perfect and there is no benefit to even entertaining in the slightest the idea of pardoning Donald Trump.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    Trump remains the most likely to pardon Trump.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I still have this feeling that tRump will resign prior to the election (if he knows he is toast) so that Pence can pardon him.

    I'd think he could do that between the election and the inauguration. 
    true dat....unless he feels that losing is more humiliating
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    dankind said:
    JimmyV said:
    Pardoning Trump would not heal the country.
    I wholeheartedly agree. 

    But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?

    It's a dick move.
    not a dick move at all. 

    trump is and always will be an impeached president that was let off the hook by barr, who chose to end the mueller investigation. trump needs to face the impartial legal system without his cronies meddling in it to tilt the playing field in his favor.

    if biden pardons him, he will lose the left and the moderates and he will be a pariah.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,464
    Biden
    trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
    Probably true but I still have to wonder about that pardon.  He knows he's fucked if he loses.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
    Probably true but I still have to wonder about that pardon.  He knows he's fucked if he loses.

    Is he though?  The courts are becoming shaped increasingly in his image.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Going after trump after he loses is about the dumbest thing anyone could do.  The man feeds off attention.  You would be feeding the monkey.  Worst fate for trump would to become obscure.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html
    Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    Another watchdog fired.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,464
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html
    Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771
    so much for believe all women. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html
    Here's the politico story.  Doesn't paint a good picture.  

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771
    so much for believe all women. 
    It's a stupid saying.  You ever had a woman lie to you? I have. 

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