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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Biden
    I don't see a problem with that tweet at all.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    This discussion does serve as an important reminder that Biden will only win by rallying Democrats and left-leaning independents to him. Some centrists will come as well, but he cannot depend on right-leaning voters defecting from the GOP en masse. It just won't happen, and gearing his message to them would be a mistake. The tweet is fine and the people nitpicking it are not going to be Biden voters.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    mfc2006 said:
    I don't see a problem with that tweet at all.
    i don't either.

    some people just want to argue and no matter what anybody says it just isn't good enough.

    i am not voting for amash, so i do not give a shit what he tweets. people not voting for biden would be better served to not give a shit what he tweets either because it will never be to their approval.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Biden
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 

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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Biden
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 

    Bingo. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
    That makes no sense.  You just want to argue.
    In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that 
    I agree with the others.  He's a democratic candidate,  not a libertarian.  That tweet is in line with the party.  
    I don't doubt this at all
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden

    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    I've often thought there should be a social contract where protesters and other people who refuse to do the things they ought to be doing are moved to the bottom of the priority list for treatment...then it hits me that this is impractical/impossible.  I go through that little process a few times a week.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 

    I understand that those wanting things to be open right now are over-represented by their loudness...but I'm not convinced of the extremeness of how narrow they are; nor that it's a narrow group.  Or a fringe group.  If anyone knows numbers, I'd be curious.  But while they're in the minority, I think there's a lot of people that are hurting economically or simply have the belief that every government measure in this area is a taking of liberty and the principle at stake is more important than the result. (Not to mention the people that think it's a worldwide hoax to bring trump down after the failed coup in the form of impeachment).

    I also anticipate this group growing.  Most people are getting frustrated.  Things like depression and anxiety are going to be exacerbated and eventually, the people are going to decide that this is enough. And that'll be beyond the fringe. That'll include people just saying "screw it, I'm going where I want and I'm wearing a mask. This is no way to live."
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    OnWis97 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 

    I understand that those wanting things to be open right now are over-represented by their loudness...but I'm not convinced of the extremeness of how narrow they are; nor that it's a narrow group.  Or a fringe group.  If anyone knows numbers, I'd be curious.  But while they're in the minority, I think there's a lot of people that are hurting economically or simply have the belief that every government measure in this area is a taking of liberty and the principle at stake is more important than the result. (Not to mention the people that think it's a worldwide hoax to bring trump down after the failed coup in the form of impeachment).

    I also anticipate this group growing.  Most people are getting frustrated.  Things like depression and anxiety are going to be exacerbated and eventually, the people are going to decide that this is enough. And that'll be beyond the fringe. That'll include people just saying "screw it, I'm going where I want and I'm wearing a mask. This is no way to live."
    We may disagree on the scale but I'm totally with you on everything else. I think most people are even willing to roll with it more if they're given some idea of what starting to loosen up will look like. Not sure if you're in the coronavirus thread, but over the last few pages you can find info on how British Columbia officials are approaching it. In my opinion, it's leaps and bounds better than just about anywhere I've seen in the US. Very thoughtful, logical, and digestible.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    Trump can't run on his record so things are about to get super ugly

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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    myoung321 said:
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     
    Not one of these questions or answers is black and white. Biden is better on every single one of them if you are a progressive.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    A third party just becomes what you described above.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    myoung321 said:
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    dignin said:
    myoung321 said:
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     
    Not one of these questions or answers is black and white. Biden is better on every single one of them if you are a progressive.
    These people are crazy
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    myoung321 said:
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     

    "Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha "

    You are in a mood!  :lol:

    But, yeah, what a shame Dems couldn't have made a better choice.  I will vote for Biden of course because, because, because, and then hope, yet again, for a better choice in the future... if there is a future.  (I only say that because I'm in one of those moods today :lol: )

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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    dignin said:
    myoung321 said:
    Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?..  Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha 

    Will either help and fight for workers? NO...

    Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......

    Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....

    Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...

    Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system?  NO......

    Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)

    So then what's the difference between the two?  A big D or R next to their names?  GO TEAM!!!! 

    One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ...  not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!
    (That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like....  "Let them buy cake" )
     
    I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....  

    Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..  

    So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
     
    WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!  
     
    Not one of these questions or answers is black and white. Biden is better on every single one of them if you are a progressive.
    These people are crazy
     Crazy? or just feed up with the same thing after same thing. 

    I hate Trump with a passion.. but going back to the policies that created the environment that created Trump will help?...   Whats the quote about insanity?   To repeat the same over and over and expect different results....
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    We do need a third party but we don't have a viable one right now, nor do we have any consensus opinion on what a third party should look like, stand for, etc.

    Biden is the hand we've been dealt.

    Biden. No Backsies.
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    We do need a third party but we don't have a viable one right now, nor do we have any consensus opinion on what a third party should look like, stand for, etc.

    Biden is the hand we've been dealt.

    Biden. No Backsies.
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