Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

The Juggler

Biden

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Looks like the far left folks in here aren't the only one's who find the members of The Lincoln Project "insufferable."

That new commercial hits him hard. Poor Donny is upset...

As someone who is supporting an opposing candidate, I would strongly encourage any Biden supporters to donate to that PAC

I'd just encourage folks to watch their ads. They're quite powerful and clearly getting under the president's skin. 

If I were a Biden supporter, I would be scrutinizing this. And this question is purely rhetorical: If it's meaningful that it gets under Trump's skin, does that make it impactful to the people you need to reach or is it chum for the most dedicated supporters?

It is impactful to the types of voters The Lincoln Project is trying to reach---the few remaining reasonable Republicans and independent voters. Have you seen the add this is referring to? It is really well done. 

I can't wait until Bloomberg starts throwing his money into the mix. Need all the help we can get. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

that ad is an epic troll job.

some are saying that moon face is a racial slur against conway because his mother is of asian descent. i have never heard this, but if it is true it is a new low for a president of the united states. these tweets are part of the historical record.

The Juggler

Biden

Here it is


-https://youtu.be/t_yG_-K2MDo

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

The Juggler said:

Here it is


-https://youtu.be/t_yG_-K2MDo

Just watched it on their Twitter. Lol...good luck.

OnWis97

Biden

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Looks like the far left folks in here aren't the only one's who find the members of The Lincoln Project "insufferable."

That new commercial hits him hard. Poor Donny is upset...

As someone who is supporting an opposing candidate, I would strongly encourage any Biden supporters to donate to that PAC

I'd just encourage folks to watch their ads. They're quite powerful and clearly getting under the president's skin. 

If I were a Biden supporter, I would be scrutinizing this. And this question is purely rhetorical: If it's meaningful that it gets under Trump's skin, does that make it impactful to the people you need to reach or is it chum for the most dedicated supporters?

Hopefully it impacts undecided voters.  The fact that it upsets Trump, in itself, does not matter. Narcissistic rage-tweeting isn't going to hurt him.  But the messages that upset him are the ones that hopefully will resonate with voters that lean conservative but haven't truly grapsed how awful he is.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

The best part of that ad is the "bailed out Wall Street, left behind Main Street" business. As if everyone doesn't realize Congress passed that shit and Thomas Massie got rung up for daring to push back.

Gern Blansten

Biden

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Looks like the far left folks in here aren't the only one's who find the members of The Lincoln Project "insufferable."

That new commercial hits him hard. Poor Donny is upset...

As someone who is supporting an opposing candidate, I would strongly encourage any Biden supporters to donate to that PAC

I'd just encourage folks to watch their ads. They're quite powerful and clearly getting under the president's skin. 

If I were a Biden supporter, I would be scrutinizing this. And this question is purely rhetorical: If it's meaningful that it gets under Trump's skin, does that make it impactful to the people you need to reach or is it chum for the most dedicated supporters?

Hopefully it impacts undecided voters.  The fact that it upsets Trump, in itself, does not matter. Narcissistic rage-tweeting isn't going to hurt him.  But the messages that upset him are the ones that hopefully will resonate with voters that lean conservative but haven't truly grapsed how awful he is.

It's just the tip of the iceberg.  They are going to kill him with negative ads.  He has a record now.

The Juggler

Biden

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Looks like the far left folks in here aren't the only one's who find the members of The Lincoln Project "insufferable."

That new commercial hits him hard. Poor Donny is upset...

As someone who is supporting an opposing candidate, I would strongly encourage any Biden supporters to donate to that PAC

I'd just encourage folks to watch their ads. They're quite powerful and clearly getting under the president's skin. 

If I were a Biden supporter, I would be scrutinizing this. And this question is purely rhetorical: If it's meaningful that it gets under Trump's skin, does that make it impactful to the people you need to reach or is it chum for the most dedicated supporters?

Hopefully it impacts undecided voters.  The fact that it upsets Trump, in itself, does not matter. Narcissistic rage-tweeting isn't going to hurt him.  But the messages that upset him are the ones that hopefully will resonate with voters that lean conservative but haven't truly grapsed how awful he is.

Narcissistic rage tweeting and railing against the media during a time when 2,000 plus Americans are dying a day is one the reasons his approval ratings have dropped a good chunk over the last month...

Halifax2TheMax

pjl44 said:

The best part of that ad is the "bailed out Wall Street, left behind Main Street" business. As if everyone doesn't realize Congress passed that shit and Thomas Massie got rung up for daring to push back.

Team Trump Treason signed the bill. He could have fought harder or demanded more for Main Street or demanded more restrictions on Wall Street. Where does the buck stop? But POTUS Justin Amash would have not signed the bill at all as government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers? Did I get that right?

Knowing a small business owner that was able to get a loan and hearing their experience, most have no idea of what a cluster this administration is and if you know what it was for loans, imagine the pandemic response? Unfortunately, most of us don’t have to imagine with too much difficulty.

mrussel1

Biden

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

JimmyV said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.  

Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one. 

I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out.  I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm.  I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.  

Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.

I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate.  We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the  political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016.  I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.

Yes, this 100%

He does, but don't discount how much he gave up by becoming a never Trumper in the first place.  He could have bent the knee and would probably be a 'senior campaign adviser' at this point.  These four, even more so  than the French's, Goldbergs, Sullivans, etc, put their careers

Bent Knee? You must be a fan! I bet a lot in 10c are fans. This song is epic! (And it’s really them. I’m not crying Rickroll wolf!), when those chords kick in at the one minute mark, it’s gold Jerry, gold!

https://youtu.be/ACk8LBO-C3A

Not sure if I was having acid flashbacks or if something was off with that video. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

Wall Street, Corporations, Big Business, they're all the same evil entity.

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

Wall Street, Corporations, Big Business, they're all the same evil entity.

The act was not directed towards them.  The large companies that took advantage of it,  and subsequently publicly shamed,  were outliers and not the directed recipients.  Same with the universities with huge endowments.  The fed has set up a new program targeting medium and large companies that still hasn't rolled out. But there's no forgiveness and it doesn't have to go through Congress. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

Wall Street, Corporations, Big Business, they're all the same evil entity.

The act was not directed towards them.  The large companies that took advantage of it,  and subsequently publicly shamed,  were outliers and not the directed recipients.  Same with the universities with huge endowments.  The fed has set up a new program targeting medium and large companies that still hasn't rolled out. But there's no forgiveness and it doesn't have to go through Congress. 

The act may not have been directed towards them but you can be sure they took advantage as you point out. Add the fact that Team Trump Treason is resisting oversight, who is more likely to benefit? The "small businesses" that need it most and can't afford to get caught breaking the rules, or "Wall Street," "Corporations, and "Big Business," who view "getting caught" as a cost of doing business? 

While it didn't "bail out" Wall Street, it certainly benefited them, yes? Admittedly, I'm an idiot when it comes to finance, taxes, numbers in general, as my eyes typically glaze over. That said, i'm sure there's more devil in the details of the CARES Act that benefits Wall Street at the expense of Main Street but I'm too lazy to dig through the bill. Its most likely buried in tax provisions, etc. But I'm willing to bet that I know more of what is in that bill and how it works than Team Trump Treason. And as POTUS, he could have used his bully pulpit to demand certain things or worked with the leadership of both houses to ensure the money went to the most vulnerable and the "real" small businesses that need it. Time will tell, as plans are being drawn up for another $3 trillion in stimulus.

• In addition to other economic stimulus provisions in response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) implements several important tax provisions intended to provide relief to impacted businesses and affected individuals.
• Private equity funds and their portfolio companies are likely to be direct beneficiaries of these provisions.
• This Holland & Knight alert provides a summary of the CARES Act tax provisions that may significantly impact private equity funds and their portfolio companies.

https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/04/cares-act-key-tax-provisions-affecting-private-equity-funds

The Juggler

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

Wall Street, Corporations, Big Business, they're all the same evil entity.

The act was not directed towards them.  The large companies that took advantage of it,  and subsequently publicly shamed,  were outliers and not the directed recipients.  Same with the universities with huge endowments.  The fed has set up a new program targeting medium and large companies that still hasn't rolled out. But there's no forgiveness and it doesn't have to go through Congress. 

The act may not have been directed towards them but you can be sure they took advantage as you point out. Add the fact that Team Trump Treason is resisting oversight, who is more likely to benefit? The "small businesses" that need it most and can't afford to get caught breaking the rules, or "Wall Street," "Corporations, and "Big Business," who view "getting caught" as a cost of doing business? 

While it didn't "bail out" Wall Street, it certainly benefited them, yes? Admittedly, I'm an idiot when it comes to finance, taxes, numbers in general, as my eyes typically glaze over. That said, i'm sure there's more devil in the details of the CARES Act that benefits Wall Street at the expense of Main Street but I'm too lazy to dig through the bill. Its most likely buried in tax provisions, etc. But I'm willing to bet that I know more of what is in that bill and how it works than Team Trump Treason. And as POTUS, he could have used his bully pulpit to demand certain things or worked with the leadership of both houses to ensure the money went to the most vulnerable and the "real" small businesses that need it. Time will tell, as plans are being drawn up for another $3 trillion in stimulus.

• In addition to other economic stimulus provisions in response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) implements several important tax provisions intended to provide relief to impacted businesses and affected individuals.
• Private equity funds and their portfolio companies are likely to be direct beneficiaries of these provisions.
• This Holland & Knight alert provides a summary of the CARES Act tax provisions that may significantly impact private equity funds and their portfolio companies.

https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/04/cares-act-key-tax-provisions-affecting-private-equity-funds

^
He seemed more interested in getting his signature on the checks...

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

I have no problem with the CARES act overall.  It most certainly does not bailout Wall Street.  If that's the accusation,  it's stupid. 

Wall Street, Corporations, Big Business, they're all the same evil entity.

The act was not directed towards them.  The large companies that took advantage of it,  and subsequently publicly shamed,  were outliers and not the directed recipients.  Same with the universities with huge endowments.  The fed has set up a new program targeting medium and large companies that still hasn't rolled out. But there's no forgiveness and it doesn't have to go through Congress. 

The act may not have been directed towards them but you can be sure they took advantage as you point out. Add the fact that Team Trump Treason is resisting oversight, who is more likely to benefit? The "small businesses" that need it most and can't afford to get caught breaking the rules, or "Wall Street," "Corporations, and "Big Business," who view "getting caught" as a cost of doing business? 

While it didn't "bail out" Wall Street, it certainly benefited them, yes? Admittedly, I'm an idiot when it comes to finance, taxes, numbers in general, as my eyes typically glaze over. That said, i'm sure there's more devil in the details of the CARES Act that benefits Wall Street at the expense of Main Street but I'm too lazy to dig through the bill. Its most likely buried in tax provisions, etc. But I'm willing to bet that I know more of what is in that bill and how it works than Team Trump Treason. And as POTUS, he could have used his bully pulpit to demand certain things or worked with the leadership of both houses to ensure the money went to the most vulnerable and the "real" small businesses that need it. Time will tell, as plans are being drawn up for another $3 trillion in stimulus.

• In addition to other economic stimulus provisions in response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) implements several important tax provisions intended to provide relief to impacted businesses and affected individuals.
• Private equity funds and their portfolio companies are likely to be direct beneficiaries of these provisions.
• This Holland & Knight alert provides a summary of the CARES Act tax provisions that may significantly impact private equity funds and their portfolio companies.

https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/04/cares-act-key-tax-provisions-affecting-private-equity-funds

You're correct that private equity portfolio companies that were small enough to qualify for CARES, due to their employee base or revenue would benefit.  The question is how prevalent do you have portfolio companies that are that small?  My company is a portfolio company and we did not qualify because our revenue was too large.  And we are not considered large for portfolio.  The fed act that is coming is also complex because it does not address cross collateral or subordinate issues.

Wall Street and large companies absolutely benefited by CARES indirectly.  But that's sort of the point.  Putting money in peoples pocket through juiced unemployment benefits will help big and small companies alike.  

Halifax2TheMax

Interesting table of what defines a "small business" by sector and revenue or number of employees.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=b919ec8f32159d9edaaa36a7eaf6b695&mc=true&node=pt13.1.121&rgn=div5#se13.1.121_1201

https://www.sba.gov/document/support--table-size-standards


@brianlux If you have revenue under $30 million, you're a small business!

The Juggler

Biden

That ad is up to 5 million views at this point. Thanks in large part to Trump drawing attention to it, I would imagine. 

What a fucking idiot. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

The Juggler said:

That ad is up to 5 million views at this point. Thanks in large part to Trump drawing attention to it, I would imagine. 

What a fucking idiot. 

yep, had he not said anything it would probably have been no more than just a blip on morning news and then forgotten about. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1258184774486642688?s=19