Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited May 2020
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    I think he's saying that choosing between the economy and lives is a false choice, one that should not have to be made.  This is countering the Trump statement a few days ago that some people will die because of the economy reopening.  I don't think there's anything wrong with this tweet,  Trump's statement left a gaping hole to take a shot.  

    edit - also remember the comments by the TX Lt Gov which are even more morbid. 
  • pjl44
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    I think he's saying that choosing between the economy and lives is a false choice, one that should not have to be made.  This is countering the Trump statement a few days ago that some people will die because of the economy reopening.  I don't think there's anything wrong with this tweet,  Trump's statement left a gaping hole to take a shot.  

    edit - also remember the comments by the TX Lt Gov which are even more morbid. 
    What you're saying is nuanced and, in my view, wholly different than what Biden is saying 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
    edited May 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
    Nah. Trump made a boneheaded statement. Biden tweeted a response. It's really not a big deal. Nothing wrong here. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    In contrast:


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    In contrast:


    These are totally different topics.  Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does,  Biden doesn't.  Where does Amash sit?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
    You don't think one of the KPIs for the economy Trump is the stock market?  He talks about that more than unemployment numbers. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
    That makes no sense.  You just want to argue.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    In contrast:


    I don't disagree with getting money directly to the people vs through employers.  At least for the next round.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
    You don't think one of the KPIs for the economy Trump is the stock market?  He talks about that more than unemployment numbers. 
    Yes, I'm sure he does and it's stupid. That's why I'm annoyed that Biden is engaging with stupid arguments. If he's gonna chime in, offer an affirmative solution. Unless he just did.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    In contrast:


    These are totally different topics.  Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does,  Biden doesn't.  Where does Amash sit?
    You're approaching this way too broadly. If I were to answer your question directly, it's obviously "yes." A plan that estimates 5 incremental deaths but brings back 20 million jobs in a month would be covered. That is a wild exaggeration, but it's to make a point about how silly and unseriously it's being discussed by 2 Presidential candidates. 

    I posted that Amash point because it's directly addressing the unemployment aspect. Beyond that I think his position is that how to re-open is a state-by-state decision. The federal government should provide guidance, but if they aren't (for ineptitude or whatever reason), it still is ultimately going to fall on each state.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,662
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    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
    That makes no sense.  You just want to argue.
    In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    In contrast:


    These are totally different topics.  Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does,  Biden doesn't.  Where does Amash sit?
    You're approaching this way too broadly. If I were to answer your question directly, it's obviously "yes." A plan that estimates 5 incremental deaths but brings back 20 million jobs in a month would be covered. That is a wild exaggeration, but it's to make a point about how silly and unseriously it's being discussed by 2 Presidential candidates. 

    I posted that Amash point because it's directly addressing the unemployment aspect. Beyond that I think his position is that how to re-open is a state-by-state decision. The federal government should provide guidance, but if they aren't (for ineptitude or whatever reason), it still is ultimately going to fall on each state.
    Amash’s Point is stupid given that the states that are reopening haven’t experienced any of the four criteria that the Team Trump Treason Administration’s own CDC and experts recommended needed to occur. Just more libertarian power to the people bullshit. How does Amash’s point address the unemployment aspect? And like Sleepy Woke Joe’s tweet is some kind of policy proposal? Sure. It’s a fucking tweet.

    And ahhh, the federal government has provided guidance, guidance that some states and Team Trump Treason have willfully chosen to ignore but guidance nevertheless. Good luck ‘Murica.
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  • CM189191
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    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    ...you know who else has a fundamental misunderstanding of the challenge we're facing right now....???
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    ...you know who else has a fundamental misunderstanding of the challenge we're facing right now....???
    hahaha

    The tweet's fine. Total non-issue. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.


    In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
    That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities. 
    He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement. 
    When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
    That makes no sense.  You just want to argue.
    In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that 
    I agree with the others.  He's a democratic candidate,  not a libertarian.  That tweet is in line with the party.  

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