Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
Also, "I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just explaining that their concerns are petty and need to be smothered out" is
Sorry again about your libertarian sensibilities. I'll try not to disagree with you in the future. Just don't post things that I won't like. Pretty easy equation.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
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Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Libel laws apply to news organizations today. Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO. This is a petty difference to you? And you decided to pick the point, not me. I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Why do you think that websites should be exempt from libel laws?
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Libel laws apply to news organizations today. Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO. This is a petty difference to you? And you decided to pick the point, not me. I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Why do you think that websites should be exempt from libel laws?
Because they're not making the statement. If a NY Times employee makes a libelous comment in a piece they wrote, they're on the hook. If someone in the comment section of that article makes a libelous comment, it's insane for the Times to be on the hook.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Libel laws apply to news organizations today. Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO. This is a petty difference to you? And you decided to pick the point, not me. I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
If you don't like what a newspaper prints, don't read it. It's the same argument and that argument doesn't fly today.
Second, a law can be crafted that doesn't have a zero tolerance, rather certain platforms that have X reach (users, revenue, whatever opt in) can be required to have oversight on their users and a regulatory board can evaluate the efficacy of that regulation. It's no different than SOX laws, OCC requirements, CFPB, etc. Sorry, there are too many examples of regulation on organizations just as large so your argument doesn't pass the sniff test. The gov't doesn't require zero defects, it requires a framework for management, a process, reporting, etc.
And this would constructed using laws, not EO's...again.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
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Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
He's arguing that Biden wants the same as Trump, which is true if laws, details and penalties mean nothing to you.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Libel laws apply to news organizations today. Section 230 can be modified to increase the accountability to libelous information, particularly from public officials. There's also a difference between a lawful modification legislated and signed vs the threatened EO. This is a petty difference to you? And you decided to pick the point, not me. I was pointing out where Trump was insane IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
A website cannot and should not be held liable for something a user posts, regardless of who posts it. That is an impossible level of exposure given the sheer volume of activity some sites see. If you don't like how a site moderates content, don't use it.
If you don't like what a newspaper prints, don't read it. It's the same argument and that argument doesn't fly today.
Second, a law can be crafted that doesn't have a zero tolerance, rather certain platforms that have X reach (users, revenue, whatever opt in) can be required to have oversight on their users and a regulatory board can evaluate the efficacy of that regulation. It's no different than SOX laws, OCC requirements, CFPB, etc. Sorry, there are too many examples of regulation on organizations just as large so your argument doesn't pass the sniff test. The gov't doesn't require zero defects, it requires a framework for management, a process, reporting, etc.
And this would constructed using laws, not EO's...again.
There's a metric ton of subjectivity involved in your second paragraph and I can guarantee that you will not enjoy how that's wielded by Republican appointees conducting said regulatory oversight
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
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Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
He's arguing that Biden wants the same as Trump, which is true if laws, details and penalties mean nothing to you.
Different avenues but they both want government oversight in ways that suit them. Just because a piece of legislation is passed appropriately vs. inappropriately doesn't make the intent better. See: Patriot Act.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
That's a fine opinion, but don't act like 1. It's not possible to do 2. Large platforms should be exempt from libel whereas newspapers should not and 3. Threatened EOs by Trump is the same as a thoughtful argument on section 230 on how to restructure laws using the legislative process.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
He's arguing that Biden wants the same as Trump, which is true if laws, details and penalties mean nothing to you.
Different avenues but they both want government oversight in ways that suit them. Just because a piece of legislation is passed appropriately vs. inappropriately doesn't make the intent better. See: Patriot Act.
Yeah, it kind of makes a difference, considering we are a Republic.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
How adult of you. Again, re-read my post. The parenthesis in particular and the reason for the quotes was, not as you misrepresented, but because that's what the anti-Sleepy Woke Joe crowd seems to focus on, along with "decline in mental acuity," and not being "as sharp as he was when he was 30."
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Whenever people have in the past voiced any concern they are met with comments like “ Don't you hate it when millions of people disagree with your choices? Democracy sucks. ” “Berniebro”. or “look at the record of a career civil servant” that are intended to delegitimize their Concerns. Maybe it is not an outright attack, but their isn’t an awful lot of discussion going on when people level any concern about Biden’s electability.
Personally I think that immediately delegitimizing someone’s point Rather than have a discussion is akin to attacking especially on a message board where nuance and tone aren’t always coming through as intended.
I mean a statement like. “ Don't you hate it when millions of people disagree with your choices? Democracy sucks. ” Is basically the type of argument that MAGA people make when you criticize their illustrious leader. So yeah democracy sucks and it got us Trump I will agree with the statement as far as that goes.
Back to Biden, I think people are forgetting that politics as usual are what got us tRump in the first place. If we are to just look at his career and stand by his record without critiquing anything, isn’t that the same in a way as saying that we are ok with the system and policies of the last 40 years that led to us to ultimately having that sucky Democracy deliver us the death dirge of Trumpism?
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
That's a fine opinion, but don't act like 1. It's not possible to do 2. Large platforms should be exempt from libel whereas newspapers should not and 3. Threatened EOs by Trump is the same as a thoughtful argument on section 230 on how to restructure laws using the legislative process.
1. It is not possible to do. Too much subjectivity. 2. You are continuing to not differentiate between the responsibility of a journalist making a comment vs. a customer/user. 3. I absolutely agree with you on this point, but in a weird way we're being saved by the brazenness and stupidity of it. One could even make the argument that it's not actually meant to be upheld, but to just be antagonistic. I'm more frightened by Biden’s remarks or Josh Hawley's because it could actually happen.
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
How adult of you. Again, re-read my post. The parenthesis in particular and the reason for the quotes was, not as you misrepresented, but because that's what the anti-Sleepy Woke Joe crowd seems to focus on, along with "decline in mental acuity," and not being "as sharp as he was when he was 30."
I don't understand that argument either...tRump is clearly worse than Biden in any category of health or mental acuity
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Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
The only thing I read from the Sleepy Woke Joe naysayers are is that “he’s creepy,” “his mental acuity is in decline,” and “if you vote for him and disagree, you’re attacked.” All without any evidence despite 30 years of YouTube videos (Yea, I’ve seen the “creepy” behavior) or discussion of his policies. The interviews I’ve seen of Sleepy Woke Joe, he comes across as intelligent, well spoken in his way, informed, knowledgeable and expressing empathy for those less fortunate. But you know, he’s not as sharp as he was when he was 30. The guy knows how the levers of power work without running roughshod over the constitution.
How adult of you. Again, re-read my post. The parenthesis in particular and the reason for the quotes was, not as you misrepresented, but because that's what the anti-Sleepy Woke Joe crowd seems to focus on, along with "decline in mental acuity," and not being "as sharp as he was when he was 30."
I don't understand that argument either...tRump is clearly worse than Biden in any category of health or mental acuity
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Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies is a concern, eh? It's something that Trump and Biden are both interested in.
Well as soon as Trump discusses it as a modification of section 230, then maybe I'll agree with you. Trump is pissed because that put a fact check on him, that's quite a bit different than modifying 230, which could be as simple as mandating a fact check. That's not eliminating free speech. Was this a serious rebuttal or cheeky?
Mandating a fact check is absolutely limiting free speech, so now we're arguing process because winning an argument is the only thing that matters
Disagree...editing the comment would be limiting free speech. Or not allowing the comment at all.
A website can do whatever they want. If Kat edits or deletes a comment on here, it's not limiting anyone's free speech. Same goes for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
so then why are you arguing that fact checks limit free speech? You lost me
Mandatory (government-required) fact checks. If a website wants to offer fact checks on posts, they should absolutely do that. If they don't want to bother, they should be able to do that, too.
That's a fine opinion, but don't act like 1. It's not possible to do 2. Large platforms should be exempt from libel whereas newspapers should not and 3. Threatened EOs by Trump is the same as a thoughtful argument on section 230 on how to restructure laws using the legislative process.
1. It is not possible to do. Too much subjectivity. 2. You are continuing to not differentiate between the responsibility of a journalist making a comment vs. a customer/user. 3. I absolutely agree with you on this point, but in a weird way we're being saved by the brazenness and stupidity of it. One could even make the argument that it's not actually meant to be upheld, but to just be antagonistic. I'm more frightened by Biden’s remarks or Josh Hawley's because it could actually happen.
1. Financial services are regulated in this environment every single day. I live this world of imperfection and ambiguity. 2. Journalists are not the only people that can be sued for libel. I'm not even advocating for strengthening of libel laws, I'm arguing for some regulatory platform on social media. You can disagree with it, but it's certainly not against the Constitution (using established precedent). 3. Great.
plus we need to eliminate republican control of the senate. even though we know that a gop minority will lead to filibuster on every single piece of legislation. we need to trounce them so badly in the senate that we get about 63 seats. impossible i know, but it is what we need to happen to right this path we are on.
I think this is very important to keep in mind. It is time to kneecap Mitch, Lindsey and the rest of the deplorable Senate Republican leadership. The best way to do that is to make them the minority party. There's encouraging signs on that front:
Biden’s age and condition has me worried. I mean he looks out of it. just a bad idea to have such an old man at the top of the ticket. I mean you know only the possible future of the country and the world is at stake with this election so it’s not like it’s important or anything. Heck if he makes it to November and wins there is just very little chance he will be cognizant for four years either. I can’t believe the dems might blow another election
He's fine...tRump looks horrible. He's loud so he comes across as more "fit" but he's a walking heart attack.
don't get me wrong I'm voting for Biden or anyone who is on that line, but i don't think if you look at it honestly that Biden looks good. It's pretty clear he is losing his faculties.
People carry on like there isn't 30+ years of video clips where you can notice a difference. It's emperor's-new-clothes level shit. It makes sense to me that people would vote for him regardless, but let's talk about this stuff like reasonable adults.
It’s better to just attack people’s opinions when they are critical of joe, because this election is a referendum on trump and Biden has the victory in hand.
It's absurdly hilarious to watch. Declaring that you're voting for Biden isn't enough. If you express even the slightest reservation, you still get attacked.
Attacked? Countering your argument is commensurate with being attacked? I think you misunderstand, or just willfully ignore the points that people are making. The criticisms of Joe are small and petty and many of us here don't have interest in seeing them breathe. If you want to post your 'slightest reservation' (which is kind of funny since you said you're not voting for Biden, yet speaking for those that are), don't expect many of us not to counter those with our arguments. Your sensibilities aren't really a concern when the commander in chief is tweeting conspiracy theories and threatening to shut down or regulate the speech of private companies.
Whenever people have in the past voiced any concern they are met with comments like “ Don't you hate it when millions of people disagree with your choices? Democracy sucks. ” “Berniebro”. or “look at the record of a career civil servant” that are intended to delegitimize their Concerns. Maybe it is not an outright attack, but their isn’t an awful lot of discussion going on when people level any concern about Biden’s electability.
Personally I think that immediately delegitimizing someone’s point Rather than have a discussion is akin to attacking especially on a message board where nuance and tone aren’t always coming through as intended.
I mean a statement like. “ Don't you hate it when millions of people disagree with your choices? Democracy sucks. ” Is basically the type of argument that MAGA people make when you criticize their illustrious leader. So yeah democracy sucks and it got us Trump I will agree with the statement as far as that goes.
Back to Biden, I think people are forgetting that politics as usual are what got us tRump in the first place. If we are to just look at his career and stand by his record without critiquing anything, isn’t that the same in a way as saying that we are ok with the system and policies of the last 40 years that led to us to ultimately having that sucky Democracy deliver us the death dirge of Trumpism?
It's not the type of argument a MAGA person makes. Look at the point I'm countering that "Dems" made a terrible choice, as if the party elders sat in a smoke filled room and rolled him out. Rather, the candidate with a fraction of the cash on hand vs Sanders and Warren whipped them. That's democracy in action. The people made the choice. If PJHawks wants to lament the choice of the people, that's fine, but it's not the party.
And 'politics as usual' didn't give us Trump, the rise of right wing media in the 90s gave us Trump. You're using Sanders language but we learned, emphatically, that the left of center didn't buy that argument.
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Second, a law can be crafted that doesn't have a zero tolerance, rather certain platforms that have X reach (users, revenue, whatever opt in) can be required to have oversight on their users and a regulatory board can evaluate the efficacy of that regulation. It's no different than SOX laws, OCC requirements, CFPB, etc. Sorry, there are too many examples of regulation on organizations just as large so your argument doesn't pass the sniff test. The gov't doesn't require zero defects, it requires a framework for management, a process, reporting, etc.
And this would constructed using laws, not EO's...again.
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Back to Biden, I think people are forgetting that politics as usual are what got us tRump in the first place. If we are to just look at his career and stand by his record without critiquing anything, isn’t that the same in a way as saying that we are ok with the system and policies of the last 40 years that led to us to ultimately having that sucky Democracy deliver us the death dirge of Trumpism?
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2. You are continuing to not differentiate between the responsibility of a journalist making a comment vs. a customer/user.
3. I absolutely agree with you on this point, but in a weird way we're being saved by the brazenness and stupidity of it. One could even make the argument that it's not actually meant to be upheld, but to just be antagonistic. I'm more frightened by Biden’s remarks or Josh Hawley's because it could actually happen.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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2. Journalists are not the only people that can be sued for libel. I'm not even advocating for strengthening of libel laws, I'm arguing for some regulatory platform on social media. You can disagree with it, but it's certainly not against the Constitution (using established precedent).
3. Great.
The White House is getting *very* worried about the Senate majority
And 'politics as usual' didn't give us Trump, the rise of right wing media in the 90s gave us Trump. You're using Sanders language but we learned, emphatically, that the left of center didn't buy that argument.