Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,651
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00031938&cycle=CAREER
    Nearly 40% of the corporate money Amash has raised is from 4 sources: 

    Cato Institute $35,000
    The Cato Institute was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries. 

    Amway/Alticor Inc $163,205
    Alticor is a privately owned American corporation which is run by the DeVos family

    Windquest Group$92,275
    CEO and Founder Richard DeVos

    Club for Growth$275,605
    Founder: Stephen Moore - Donald Trump's Economic Advisor


    Nearly 14% ($196,000) came from Michigan Industrial Tools, aka Amash Imports
    Sector- Wholesale Trade. Trade Name- Michigan Industrial Tools, Amash Brothers Distributing. So
    MIT/Tekton doesn’t make anything, just “Imports” & “distributes” shit from China

    Amash is owned by the Republican party and China
    Harvey Weinstein raised Hillary more than 500k at one Hamptons party. If you can figure out how to get at least a 20x multiplier out of any of those groups, I'm all ears.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,650
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It is very surprising. Was not expecting to see this.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,077
    Would someone please point me to one piece of libertarian legislation or a country, city, state or any other type of societal organization run by the libertarian ideology that’s been successful? Your date range is since the beginning of time to the present. I’m all ears.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,651
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
    I wish that was extended to Republicans and Libertarians on these here forums
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
    I wish that was extended to Republicans and Libertarians on these here forums
    My point is that people have a tendency to believe the worst about the other guy and the best about theirs. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,077
    I think Justin Amash deserves his own thread.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    Biden
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    Biden
    trump is all about drama and reality tv and ratings. this would be the ultimate twist.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    Biden
    also paul ryan joins the amash team, and they all fall in line behind trump. just watch.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    Biden
    trump is so far behind in the polls, the gop may lose arizona, texas, and georgia. they need to do something to shake it up. the gop has never, ever gone into a national election this vulnerable. they are going to lose the presidency and the senate. they will not allow it to happen that easily.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    No way.  I think that is a 1% chance.  The never Trumpers aren’t going to join him because of Amash.  It’s not like Pence or any VP has a voice in policy.  It’s only Trump, Miller and his family.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Has Randy Paul joined his exploratory committee or endorsed him yet? Would Bernie run as VP?
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  • CM189191
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    No. tRUmp hijacked the Republican party. They don't have the cohesiveness they once had. 

    How many Republican Congress critters retired the cycle? The ones that remained, how many of their seats are at risk?
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    Nope. There is zero love between the two. Amash bailed on the GOP opposing the “bend the knee” mentality. Amash also voted to impeach the Oval Asshole. Trump openly hates  him.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,077
    edited April 2020
    How’s The Body feeling these days? He endorse Amash? Ready to come off the turnbuckle to once and for all drain the swamp? Maybe Borat could be their Secretary of State? Bernie, Secretary of HHS? Diamond & Silk, Secretaries of the Treasury & HUD, respectively? The Rock for Secretary of Defense? Judge Pirro for AG? Hannity for WH press secretary? Joe Rogan, Director of WH Communications? Dr. Phil, Director of CDC? Mad Money Guy, Secretary of Commerce? Billy Graham, jr. WH Spiritual Advisor? The Bundys, Secretary of the Interior (it’s a group effort)? Ted Nugent and ZZ Top as House band, to replace the Marine Corps band and really express the love?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:


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    Buh buh buh buh, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, did you hear?
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,379
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:


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    What exactly was edited of any importance to change her story? Other than adding that she had not told the whole story there is nothing here. Funny enough the only change that could be seen as holding any weight is given a pass by the author of the article:

    To be absolutely clear    : simply coming forward with new information is not “changing her story”. Abuse victims will often speak up about their experiences in different pieces. This is not abnormal.

    This blog post is not of any concern to the Biden camp anyway, sexual misconduct in the form that is described here would not be enough to force him out even if it was caught on video. Shoulder touching, neck rubbing, and saying he liked her legs is slightly different than the other alleged encounter which your “hot take” tweet fails to mention. You know, that little encounter that would undoubtedly be the end for Biden if true. Social media is not your friend.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,077
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:


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    What exactly was edited of any importance to change her story? Other than adding that she had not told the whole story there is nothing here. Funny enough the only change that could be seen as holding any weight is given a pass by the author of the article:

    To be absolutely clear    : simply coming forward with new information is not “changing her story”. Abuse victims will often speak up about their experiences in different pieces. This is not abnormal.

    This blog post is not of any concern to the Biden camp anyway, sexual misconduct in the form that is described here would not be enough to force him out even if it was caught on video. Shoulder touching, neck rubbing, and saying he liked her legs is slightly different than the other alleged encounter which your “hot take” tweet fails to mention. You know, that little encounter that would undoubtedly be the end for Biden if true. Social media is not your friend.
    Was it Sleepy Woke Joe that said, “I like your legs?” Or was it a staffer who asked her, “to serve drinks,” because Sleepy Woke Joe, “liked her legs?”

    To quote that brilliant repub legal mind during the impeachment hearings, “was you there?”

    ”If true.”
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