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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,299
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    tea partiers are just angry republicans.
    The fact that they've disappeared amidst record deficits proves what we knew, that it was racial in nature.  
    absolutely. 

    they stood for nothing. their principled foundation stood on quicksand.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802
    edited May 2020
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Biden
    I've read several Wash Post articles this week about Biden's scrambling campaign, none of them encouraging. Their strategy seems to be "encouraging people to be more empathetic" and "emphasizing his love of ice cream."  This election is going to be a disaster. I can feel it.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,450
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
    That was my first question. Below is from the article. I guess in her situation it makes sense in case you need to go after someone for defamation or something.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
    That was my first question. Below is from the article. I guess in her situation it makes sense in case you need to go after someone for defamation or something.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.
    So trial by media, in the court of public opinion.

    Not a real trial, in a real court.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,450
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
    That was my first question. Below is from the article. I guess in her situation it makes sense in case you need to go after someone for defamation or something.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.
    So trial by media, in the court of public opinion.

    Not a real trial, in a real court.
    That's what it looks like. Could she bring a case against him today? Not my area of expertise.
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
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    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
    That was my first question. Below is from the article. I guess in her situation it makes sense in case you need to go after someone for defamation or something.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.
    So trial by media, in the court of public opinion.

    Not a real trial, in a real court.
    That's what it looks like. Could she bring a case against him today? Not my area of expertise.
    She could likely bring a civil case against him.  Of course that would mean under oath depositions for her, her friends, brother, Biden, etc.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
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    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
    She's most likely being counseled by someone loosely connected to the Trump campaign...


    ... "most likely" you say.
    Ha ha...I had the same thought and was like "ehhhhhhh...forget it"
    Reader’s lawyer donated $55,000 to Trump’s campaign in 2016. Shocking, right?
    Her other lawyer represented Sputnik, Russian state tv

    Have a lovely weekend. 
    https://time.com/5834049/tara-reade-biden-lawyer/

    Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers

    In this April 4 2019 photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City Calif
    In this April 4, 2019, photo Tara Reade poses for a photo during an interview with The Associated Press in Nevada City, Calif.
     
    Donald Thompson–AP
    MAY 8, 2020 1:13 AM EDT

    (WASHINGTON) — Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who alleged Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, is being represented by a prominent lawyer and political donor to President Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican campaign.

    Attorney Douglas Wigdor told The Associated Press he was not currently being paid for his work with Reade. His firm also denied there was a political motivation for his decision to represent Reade in her accusations against Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the November election.

    “We have decided to take this matter on because every survivor has the right to competent counsel,” the firm said in a statement.

    Reade has said for weeks that she was struggling to find a lawyer willing to represent her. She’s accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked on his Senate staff. He has denied her allegation.

    On Thursday, Reade said she wanted Biden to be “held accountable” and called on him to drop out of the presidential race. Her comments came in her first on-camera interview, conducted by former Fox News and NBC News journalist Megyn Kelly.

    Pressed by a Florida television station about Reade’s comment, Biden reiterated his denial of the allegation.

    “The truth is what matters,” he told Bay News 9. “In this case, the truth is these claims are flat-out false.”

    Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

    Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.

    Wigdor suggested Reade’s earlier struggles to find a lawyer to represent her were the result of “politics.”

    “I think highly of a lot of these people,” he said. “These are my friends and colleagues, people who I respect, but they tend to be Democrats or liberals, and they were not interested, because of that, in representing Tara Reade.”

    Over the weekend, another attorney, William Moran, told the AP he was working with Reade.

    Moran, who works at a law firm in Columbia, Maryland, previously wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya. A January 2017 reportreleased by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign said Sputnik was part of “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine,” which “contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

    Reade herself has faced questions about her past writing praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Reade on Thursday expressed concern to Kelly about having been “called a Russian agent” and said she had received a death threat from someone who “thought I was being a traitor to America.”

    There is no evidence to suggest Reade or Moran worked at the behest of Russia with respect to the Biden allegation.

    Moran contacted the AP on behalf of Reade to complain about and seek changes in a story detailing what Reade says she remembers writing in a Senate complaint about Biden. Reade told the AP she did not allege sexual assault in the complaint and did not explicitly use the words “sexual harassment,” though that is the behavior she believes she was describing.

    Moran told the AP in a text message Thursday that he found the focus on his past work “disgraceful.” He said Reade requested that he reach out to the AP “on a limited matter.”

    “I do not turn away clients who I believe and who have credible causes of action. I never will,” he said.

    Wigdor said Reade told him she was connected to Moran through Katie Halper, a podcaster who first interviewed Reade about her sexual assault allegation against Biden in March. It’s unclear how Reade connected with Wigdor, who said he believed she found the firm through “word of mouth and our reputation.”

    Reade first spoke out about her alleged interactions with Biden in 2019, telling journalists he had touched her inappropriately while she worked on his Senate staff. She came forward in 2020, around the time Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee, with new allegations of assault.

    She says she didn’t initially disclose the assault allegations because she was scared of backlash and was still coming to terms with what had happened to her.

    He represented 6 of Weinstein's victims, so it's revealing which part of the biography you prefer to focus on. This is exactly an attack Republicans used against Ford, by the way.

    If you're accusing a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice, you'll probably wind up with high powered Democrat attorneys. If you're accusing a Democrat Presidential candidate, you'll probably wind up with high powered Republican attorneys. This doesn't help your conspiracy theory. 
    I said she is likely represented by someone "loosely connected to the Trump campaign." 

    If donating more than most Americans make in a single year to his campaign is not loosely connected, I don't know what to tell you.. Sorry.
    Literally Fox News tactics

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-in-kavanaugh-battle-are-fords-lawyers-representing-her-or-the-democrats
    Aww, it's okay to admit you're wrong. "Loosely connected to the Trump campaign" was all I said and, turns out I was right. Calling that a Fox News tactic, is not disproving my point. Sorry.  







    She didn't have this lawyer when you offered your conspiracy theory 
    Why does Tara Reade need an attorney?
    🤔
    That was my first question. Below is from the article. I guess in her situation it makes sense in case you need to go after someone for defamation or something.

    Wigdor said he plans to help Reade in her dealings with the media and any independent investigations into her allegations that might occur. He said the two have not discussed bringing a lawsuit based on her claims, but he did not rule that out.
    So trial by media, in the court of public opinion.

    Not a real trial, in a real court.
    That's what it looks like. Could she bring a case against him today? Not my area of expertise.
    She could likely bring a civil case against him.  Of course that would mean under oath depositions for her, her friends, brother, Biden, etc.  
    Gotcha. At this point I'd be surprised to see that happen.
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    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 
    Following up on this point from a couple days ago with the CNN article below. There are no easy answers and unfortunately every path is going to come with a human toll. The vast majority of people want to minimize suffering; if we don't agree on the path it's because there is still a lot of uncertainty.


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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 
    Following up on this point from a couple days ago with the CNN article below. There are no easy answers and unfortunately every path is going to come with a human toll. The vast majority of people want to minimize suffering; if we don't agree on the path it's because there is still a lot of uncertainty.


    You mean it's not because the person with whom we disagree is just completely and deplorably wrong? That's crazy talk, man.
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    dankind said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 
    Following up on this point from a couple days ago with the CNN article below. There are no easy answers and unfortunately every path is going to come with a human toll. The vast majority of people want to minimize suffering; if we don't agree on the path it's because there is still a lot of uncertainty.


    You mean it's not because the person with whom we disagree is just completely and deplorably wrong? That's crazy talk, man.
    "I think you're wrong but you might be right" is at the center of this radical contrarianism movement 
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    ^ nah, it’s because trump has a 99% chance of winning the election. 
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    ^ nah, it’s because trump has a 99% chance of winning the election. 
    So I'll take those odds. I'll put down $10, you do $990. Deal?
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    mrussel1 said:
    ^ nah, it’s because trump has a 99% chance of winning the election. 
    So I'll take those odds. I'll put down $10, you do $990. Deal?
    I want some of this sweet action too
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    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
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    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
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    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
    It really is. ESPN has been doing a great job with the broadcast, too. They've had guys on like Thames and Lindblom who played in the KBO and came back. They had Adam Jones on the other day from Japan. Trevor Bauer was on this morning. We're still at least a month out before the NPB starts up and who knows about MLB. This has been a solid substitute. Definitely worth DVRing.
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    ^ nah, it’s because trump has a 99% chance of winning the election. 
    Out of 500%
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  

    If hockey is were someone’s  favorite sport, they would enjoy minors or college.

    Baseball has some inherent problems outside of MLB.

    For me, CWS is very difficult to watch. I hear the aluminum ping and I am out the door.

    And the DL is a disaster. Even the AL can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

     

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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  

    If hockey is were someone’s  favorite sport, they would enjoy minors or college.

    Baseball has some inherent problems outside of MLB.

    For me, CWS is very difficult to watch. I hear the aluminum ping and I am out the door.

    And the DL is a disaster. Even the AL can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

     

    The Disabled List? Yes, that roster is a disaster, they’re all hurt. “Now, here’s the wind up from Price and it’s way outside to the backstop for ball four. You know Johnny, he should have had Tommy John surgery a month ago but he’s still pitching. Quite the warrior that Price. Next up with two on is Mookie Betts, coming to the plate with a broken ankle. He’s wincing but boy can he swing the bat, isn’t that right?”

    I’d pay to watch that about now. Not wishing harm or injury on any professional sports player.
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  

    If hockey is were someone’s  favorite sport, they would enjoy minors or college.

    Baseball has some inherent problems outside of MLB.

    For me, CWS is very difficult to watch. I hear the aluminum ping and I am out the door.

    And the DL is a disaster. Even the AL can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

     

    I disagree with this point by point. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,166
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
    Compared to the NHL the minor leagues "suck"....but in markets where minor league is all you have it is great.  In Indianapolis we have the Indy Fuel which is the Blackhawks ECHL team.  The games are intense, rivalries are intense, etc.  Good stuff.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,832
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
    Compared to the NHL the minor leagues "suck"....but in markets where minor league is all you have it is great.  In Indianapolis we have the Indy Fuel which is the Blackhawks ECHL team.  The games are intense, rivalries are intense, etc.  Good stuff.
    I think there's a dramatic quality of play difference between NHL and the ECHL, as an example.  It's a far larger drop off than MLB to AAA.  
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,845
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  

    If hockey is were someone’s  favorite sport, they would enjoy minors or college.

    Baseball has some inherent problems outside of MLB.

    For me, CWS is very difficult to watch. I hear the aluminum ping and I am out the door.

    And the DL is a disaster. Even the AL can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

     


    I prefer college sports in general to pro sports (though not baseball as my school didn't have it and I hate the ping of metal bats).  That said, college hockey is a far lesser product than the NHL.  Their inability to make/receive clean passes gets pretty frustrating.  On the rare occasions I go to an NHL game, I marvel at how much better the game is (also more expensive and lacking the connection I have to my school).  I could totally see a hard-core NHL fan not wanting to go to a college game.

    In hoops, the level/ability drop is noticeable but it's still a more enjoyable game to me than the NBA.  Football...to me the quality difference is negligible (and the atmosphere is way better in college).  My little experience with college baseball is that the quality is OK and the game is probably as watchable, but my lack of rooting interest, the degree to which it's a a fringe sport in the cold midwest, and the metal bats kinda keep me away.
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