Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/KHiveQueenBee/status/1255673208868532224?s=19

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So what did she update here, that for you would not be looked on as a "if the glove don't fit, acquit"  level argument if this was concerning Brett Kavanaugh instead?

The Juggler

Biden

Trump lashed out at campaign manager after polls showed him trailing Biden

Orion Rummler

President Trump meets with industry executives at the White House on April 29. Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images

President Trump erupted on a phone call last week with campaign manager Brad Parscale after being presented with polls that showed former Vice President Joe Biden beating him in several key states, CNN first reported and Axios has confirmed.

Driving the news: Swing-state polls from this week show Biden pulling ahead in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, indicating that the presumptive Democratic nominee has benefited from remaining out of the public eye.

• Gallup has found that Trump's approval rating has taken its sharpest dip to date since he took office.
• And Pew Research reports that about 65% of Americans believe the president was too slow to take major steps to handle the threat of the coronavirus.

The big picture: Trump demanded on the call to know how his campaign, which is sitting on a massive fundraising war chest and sprawling digital operation, is polling behind a candidate that he views as weak.

• Trump insisted to Parscale that the polling data was wrong and blamed him for the state of the race. According to the New York Times, the president at one point threatened to sue Parscale, though the threat did not appear to be serious.

What he's saying: Trump told Reuters in an interview published later Wednesday he didn't think the election would be a referendum on his leadership during the pandemic, but it would be "a referendum on all the things we’ve done and certainly this will be a part of it, but we’ve done a great job."

"I don’t believe the polls. I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don’t think that they will put a man in who’s incompetent."

— Trump's remarks to Reuters

• Trump tweeted early Thursday that he thought Parscale was "doing a great job." "I never shouted at him (been with me for years, including the 2016 win), & have no intention to do so,” he added.

The bottom line: Axios' Jonathan Swan reported last week that a number of Trump's most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings, believing his ratings have suffered from overexposure.

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. If you deny this fact, check out Hillary’s approval ratings in 2014 after Benghazi and again in late 2015 when the smear campaign was at full speed.

we now have the same exact gameplan in progress. Tara Email Server Reade, who did little in 30 years attacking Biden , all of a sudden is trying to get on the front pages and a libertarian hero who was bold enough to stand up against trump is suddenly getting some attention as a  third party option

If you thought trumps first term was bad for real liberty (not the fake “American libertarianism“) just wait to find out how draconian a second term would be.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

It really is choppy waters engaging with complete nonsense thoughtfully and respectfully, per posting guidelines 

"Yes, vitalogyrulz420, I see where you might believe the Illuminati lizard people adorned Justin Amash with this year's Erlekshun Spoiler Crown, but I disagree that the picture you posted of Trump's arm shows scales. We're all entitled to our opinions."

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 

Are you reading the same post I'm reading? You believe the Libertarian Party has any coordination with Trump?

JimmyV

Biden

As a lifelong independent, I cannot overstate how much of a turnoff it is to hear Democrats constantly whining about other candidates being on the ballot. I understand the concern in the context of a Jill Stein or a Bernie third party run, but to hear the same laments about a former REPUBLICAN congressman who famously and publicly broke with Trump is over the top. Who are these left-leaning voters who are going to abandon Biden and flock to Amash? Why would anyone who was ever going to vote for Biden in the first place do that? It is much more likely that Amash will peel right-leaning voters disgusted with Trump away from him.

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 

Are you reading the same post I'm reading? You believe the Libertarian Party has any coordination with Trump?

Not at all.  But I don't think that's what Lerx was saying. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 

Are you reading the same post I'm reading? You believe the Libertarian Party has any coordination with Trump?

Not at all.  But I don't think that's what Lerx was saying. 

Reread his post, especially in the context of what he's replying to 

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1255587802907058176?s=19

i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.

This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does

Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 

Source for this. Show the receipts. 

There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 

C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 

Your answer is not in line with what Lerx is saying. Reread his post.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

If anyone wants a prediction on the Story Of The Day, I'll go with a Presidential candidate who is trying to fend off a sexual assault allegation bringing on CHRIS DODD as a VP selection committee co-chair

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1255791503219265536?s=19

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best

Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 

How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?

Dude there is no reason to personally attack the members of this forum. I applaud your resolve by staying on a left leaning forum. I often do the same, on one of the very few right wing forums that allow liberals.

but to attack every commenter on here? That makes you better?

you are the one living in a fantasy world where the American founders did not purposely construct a nationwide electoral system that only plausibly allows 2 candidates. Amash will most likely get zero electoral votes and his ONLY PURPOSE WILL BE TO PULL AWAY MODERATE VOTES FROM BIDEN IN SWING STATES. 

thank you for joining team trump. This was his exact 2016 strategy. Argue with the men that wrote the constitution if you disagree with electoral reality 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best

Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 

How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?

Dude there is no reason to personally attack the members of this forum. I applaud your resolve by staying on a left leaning forum. I often do the same, on one of the very few right wing forums that allow liberals.

but to attack every commenter on here? That makes you better?

you are the one living in a fantasy world where the American founders did not purposely construct a nationwide electoral system that only plausibly allows 2 candidates. Amash will most likely get zero electoral votes and his ONLY PURPOSE WILL BE TO PULL AWAY MODERATE VOTES FROM BIDEN IN SWING STATES. 

thank you for joining team trump. This was his exact 2016 strategy. Argue with the men that wrote the constitution if you disagree with electoral reality 

If that's a personal attack, there's a half dozen posters who should have been wiped out weeks ago 

Gern Blansten

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best

Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 

How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?

Dude there is no reason to personally attack the members of this forum. I applaud your resolve by staying on a left leaning forum. I often do the same, on one of the very few right wing forums that allow liberals.

but to attack every commenter on here? That makes you better?

you are the one living in a fantasy world where the American founders did not purposely construct a nationwide electoral system that only plausibly allows 2 candidates. Amash will most likely get zero electoral votes and his ONLY PURPOSE WILL BE TO PULL AWAY MODERATE VOTES FROM BIDEN IN SWING STATES. 

thank you for joining team trump. This was his exact 2016 strategy. Argue with the men that wrote the constitution if you disagree with electoral reality 

Are Libertarian votes moderate though?  I think Amash hurts tRump more than Biden.  Especially once Amash has to hug the libertarian platform.

mrussel1

Biden

I think it's a wash.  He might pull some voters that were thinking about Biden,  but at the same time,  those "never Trumpers" are pragmatic,  and it's not about not voting for Trump.  It's about him not being president. 

Gern Blansten

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.

Amash would never align with Trump.  If you think that is even possible you have not paid much attention.

JimmyV

Biden

Bill Kristol in particular was adamant about Biden being the nominee. He's not alone, and Dems nominated the guy best suited to bring never Trumpers in. Might a few defect to Amash? Sure, but theirs were votes you were never going to be able to count on.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Chris Hayes is getting slammed on twitter for reporting on the Biden allegation last night.