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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
    Compared to the NHL the minor leagues "suck"....but in markets where minor league is all you have it is great.  In Indianapolis we have the Indy Fuel which is the Blackhawks ECHL team.  The games are intense, rivalries are intense, etc.  Good stuff.
    I think there's a dramatic quality of play difference between NHL and the ECHL, as an example.  It's a far larger drop off than MLB to AAA.  

    I tend to agree...I haven't been to a minor-league hockey game since the early 2000s...but the dropoff was huge (particularly when I went to an ECHL game when they were a level below the AHL...now I think they're "high minors").  I haven't been to a AAA game but I've been to A and AA and I tend to agree that the drop-off is not that noticeable.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    Biden
    I enjoy watching high school and legion games. Taking the dog over to the park during a walk and watching a couple innings is a good time
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,524
    Biden
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,765
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  

    If hockey is were someone’s  favorite sport, they would enjoy minors or college.

    Baseball has some inherent problems outside of MLB.

    For me, CWS is very difficult to watch. I hear the aluminum ping and I am out the door.

    And the DL is a disaster. Even the AL can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

     

    I disagree with this point by point. 

    As is your first amendment right! I’m hoping you don’t reach got the second.



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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
    Stay on topic please.   Thread integrity...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bovada has Trump at -120 and Biden at +130. Wouldn't be surprised if that flips after Biden officially gets the nomination. Go get paid.
    Nothing else to bet on these days!
    You're not kidding! I've been watching Korean baseball for a week. This close to jumping in on some KBO DFS.
    I just realized that we're going to miss the LLWS and the CWS too.  Goddammit I love baseball.  The great thing about baseball is that it's always good, no matter the level.  Watching minor league hockey sucks compared to NHL.  But minor league baseball (or Korean) is still high quality baseball.  
    Compared to the NHL the minor leagues "suck"....but in markets where minor league is all you have it is great.  In Indianapolis we have the Indy Fuel which is the Blackhawks ECHL team.  The games are intense, rivalries are intense, etc.  Good stuff.
    I think there's a dramatic quality of play difference between NHL and the ECHL, as an example.  It's a far larger drop off than MLB to AAA.  

    I tend to agree...I haven't been to a minor-league hockey game since the early 2000s...but the dropoff was huge (particularly when I went to an ECHL game when they were a level below the AHL...now I think they're "high minors").  I haven't been to a AAA game but I've been to A and AA and I tend to agree that the drop-off is not that noticeable.
    ECHL is a level below AHL...a lot of our players come and go from the Rockford IceHogs.  Delia played on the Fuel for a year.  
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    Sports....All Encompassing Trip forum...please join the sports lovers there. Thanks. :)
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I'm sitting this one out
    Kat said:
    Sports....All Encompassing Trip forum...please join the sports lovers there. Thanks. :)
    Well, there goes the AET neighborhood.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    This trending topic on Twitter is more about the upcoming election strategy from the right so I'll move it here. The comments are good.
    Sound didn't work for me but it's ok.



    Falling down,...not staying down
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
    I'm sitting this one out
    Whether it's Republicans railing against FISA or Democrats screaming about fascism, remember that it's all theater and they will always ultimately vote to expand their power. Failed by one vote with 9 Dems voting against and Bernie not voting.


  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
    I'm sitting this one out
    Looks like my point was made in meme form


  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Kat said:
    What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine. 


    Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.

    There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing. 
    Following up on this point from a couple days ago with the CNN article below. There are no easy answers and unfortunately every path is going to come with a human toll. The vast majority of people want to minimize suffering; if we don't agree on the path it's because there is still a lot of uncertainty.


    A follow up to my follow up. Very good opinion piece in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/reopen-america-coronavirus-lockdown.html#click=https://t.co/j19aE5nRzx


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
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    And where was Bernie? MIA, didn't even bother to show up or if he did, not cast a vote. Could have shown real leadership but didn't. And he wants to be POTUS? Guess he wasn't a dem after all.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
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    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    And where was Bernie? MIA, didn't even bother to show up or if he did, not cast a vote. Could have shown real leadership but didn't. And he wants to be POTUS? Guess he wasn't a dem after all.
    I read several articles, hoping one would explain why he missed the vote. Haven't seen an answer anywhere. I'd hate to judge too harshly if it turned out he was in the hospital or something. It's frustrating because this seems like the exact sort of power that should be kept out of the Trump administration's hands. Never mind that 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS voted it down.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    And where was Bernie? MIA, didn't even bother to show up or if he did, not cast a vote. Could have shown real leadership but didn't. And he wants to be POTUS? Guess he wasn't a dem after all.
    I read several articles, hoping one would explain why he missed the vote. Haven't seen an answer anywhere. I'd hate to judge too harshly if it turned out he was in the hospital or something. It's frustrating because this seems like the exact sort of power that should be kept out of the Trump administration's hands. Never mind that 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS voted it down.
    Those 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS are on record and can be questioned on their motives and why they voted the way they did and then be held accountable at the ballot box, if it’s such a berning issue for their state’s voters. Bernie not so much. Those 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS have more spine than that faux dem will ever have.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    And where was Bernie? MIA, didn't even bother to show up or if he did, not cast a vote. Could have shown real leadership but didn't. And he wants to be POTUS? Guess he wasn't a dem after all.
    I read several articles, hoping one would explain why he missed the vote. Haven't seen an answer anywhere. I'd hate to judge too harshly if it turned out he was in the hospital or something. It's frustrating because this seems like the exact sort of power that should be kept out of the Trump administration's hands. Never mind that 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS voted it down.
    Those 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS are on record and can be questioned on their motives and why they voted the way they did and then be held accountable at the ballot box, if it’s such a berning issue for their state’s voters. Bernie not so much. Those 9 GODDAMN DEMOCRATS have more spine than that faux dem will ever have.
    This is a very good point
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    yep, those dems gotta go. unless they have a very, very good reason.

    i am so sick of this shit. like physically and emotionally weary from it.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    Biden
    yep, those dems gotta go. unless they have a very, very good reason.

    i am so sick of this shit. like physically and emotionally weary from it.
    I have Twitter blocked.  What bill is being discussed here?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,336
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    yep, those dems gotta go. unless they have a very, very good reason.

    i am so sick of this shit. like physically and emotionally weary from it.
    I have Twitter blocked.  What bill is being discussed here?

    Yeah, I'm lost here too.  What did 9 damn Dems do?
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Whether it's Republicans railing against FISA or Democrats screaming about fascism, remember that it's all theater and they will always ultimately vote to expand their power. Failed by one vote with 9 Dems voting against and Bernie not voting.


    I believe it's this bill. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    yep, those dems gotta go. unless they have a very, very good reason.

    i am so sick of this shit. like physically and emotionally weary from it.
    I have Twitter blocked.  What bill is being discussed here?

    Yeah, I'm lost here too.  What did 9 damn Dems do?
    Voted against an amendment to the Patriot Act that would have blocked law enforcement from searching or looking at your web browsing history without a warrant. It was added as part of the Patriot Act re-authorization.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,336
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    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    yep, those dems gotta go. unless they have a very, very good reason.

    i am so sick of this shit. like physically and emotionally weary from it.
    I have Twitter blocked.  What bill is being discussed here?

    Yeah, I'm lost here too.  What did 9 damn Dems do?
    Voted against an amendment to the Patriot Act that would have blocked law enforcement from searching or looking at your web browsing history without a warrant. It was added as part of the Patriot Act re-authorization.

    Yikes!  Nine did that? 
    doh

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    this is an outrage for sure.
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I'm sitting this one out
    What a country!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    Biden
    Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote?  Are you kidding me?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote?  Are you kidding me?
    Yes/No
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote?  Are you kidding me?
    Yes/No
    So while I may disagree with the 9 D senators that who voted 'ney' on this issue, at least they took a stand.  I don't know enough of the details to really cast the stone on where I would personally vote, but I know there are plenty of center/left Ds who are security conscious.  I can live with that.  There's no reason for a senator to skip such a key and high profile vote.  This isn't post office naming here.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    Biden
    feel the bern, indeed. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,784
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote?  Are you kidding me?
    Yes/No
    So while I may disagree with the 9 D senators that who voted 'ney' on this issue, at least they took a stand.  I don't know enough of the details to really cast the stone on where I would personally vote, but I know there are plenty of center/left Ds who are security conscious.  I can live with that.  There's no reason for a senator to skip such a key and high profile vote.  This isn't post office naming here.  
    This is the extent of what I could find (from a Slate piece). Given the significance, it would be swell if someone from his camp addressed this.


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