Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote? Are you kidding me?
Yes/No
So while I may disagree with the 9 D senators that who voted 'ney' on this issue, at least they took a stand. I don't know enough of the details to really cast the stone on where I would personally vote, but I know there are plenty of center/left Ds who are security conscious. I can live with that. There's no reason for a senator to skip such a key and high profile vote. This isn't post office naming here.
This is the extent of what I could find (from a Slate piece). Given the significance, it would be swell if someone from his camp addressed this.
Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote? Are you kidding me?
Yes/No
So while I may disagree with the 9 D senators that who voted 'ney' on this issue, at least they took a stand. I don't know enough of the details to really cast the stone on where I would personally vote, but I know there are plenty of center/left Ds who are security conscious. I can live with that. There's no reason for a senator to skip such a key and high profile vote. This isn't post office naming here.
This is the extent of what I could find (from a Slate piece). Given the significance, it would be swell if someone from his camp addressed this.
Wait, they came one vote short and Sanders didn't vote? Are you kidding me?
Yes/No
So while I may disagree with the 9 D senators that who voted 'ney' on this issue, at least they took a stand. I don't know enough of the details to really cast the stone on where I would personally vote, but I know there are plenty of center/left Ds who are security conscious. I can live with that. There's no reason for a senator to skip such a key and high profile vote. This isn't post office naming here.
This is the extent of what I could find (from a Slate piece). Given the significance, it would be swell if someone from his camp addressed this.
biden came out on tv tonight and said he would absolutely not pardon trump, nor would he interfere with the DOJ investigations. let's see if he sticks to it. i think if he says this at his campaign rallies it would help him.
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biden came out on tv tonight and said he would absolutely not pardon trump, nor would he interfere with the DOJ investigations. let's see if he sticks to it. i think if he says this at his campaign rallies it would help him.
Biden isn't going to go after Trump any more than Trump is actually going after Obama who didn't do anything about Bush, etc. It's just to get their base worked up. That was the most telling thing about the whole Ukraine nonsense. Trump didn't actually care if they investigated Biden - he just wanted the President to come out and *say* they were going to.
The President doesn't go after people. The independent judicial branch does. Biden is saying that he will leave DOJ alone and let it do its job. That is not at all akin to Trump and Ukraine.
The President doesn't go after people. The independent judicial branch does. Biden is saying that he will leave DOJ alone and let it do its job. That is not at all akin to Trump and Ukraine.
"The administration" then. The DOJ and Executive tend to have a bit of a relationship. I brought up the Ukraine as part of the broader point. I appreciate the civics mansplain, though.
The President doesn't go after people. The independent judicial branch does. Biden is saying that he will leave DOJ alone and let it do its job. That is not at all akin to Trump and Ukraine.
"The administration" then. The DOJ and Executive tend to have a bit of a relationship. I brought up the Ukraine as part of the broader point. I appreciate the civics mansplain, though.
Your broader point was that you were playing the "both sides" card. There are times when that works and times when it doesn't. Biden pledging to let DOJ do its job and Trump asking a foreign power to investigate his political opposition are not at all the same. If you feel my pointing that out is mansplaining, that is most definitely a you problem.
Since it's Pedantry Friday, here's my broad point. None of these people have a real interest in prosecuting each other. Probably one part "let's put that behind us and move on" and one part "there's likely gonna be some sketchy shit the next 4-8 years." But they will absolutely play it up like it's on the table. They know it's like throwing fish at seals.
What I'm saying is if Biden gets elected, don't turn into these MAGAheads who perpetually think prosecution is right around the corner. It ain't happening. Just take the W.
Since it's Pedantry Friday, here's my broad point. None of these people have a real interest in prosecuting each other. Probably one part "let's put that behind us and move on" and one part "there's likely gonna be some sketchy shit the next 4-8 years." But they will absolutely play it up like it's on the table. They know it's like throwing fish at seals.
What I'm saying is if Biden gets elected, don't turn into these MAGAheads who perpetually think prosecution is right around the corner. It ain't happening. Just take the W.
honestly, i think this is what both sides want. yes, I SAID BOTH SIDES. divide and conquer. they just want everyone all riled up about the "enemy" to distract the people from what's really going on.
trump supporters ask "how many wars has trump started". my answer: the one at home. sure, there's always been division. that started to flame up during obama's presidency. trump threw a powderkeg on it.
he said that he will not pardon him even if it was seen as a move to "heal the country".
the country does not want to be united, and i do not want biden or anybody to interfere with the nemesis or whatever is coming for trump when he loses.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
he said that he will not pardon him even if it was seen as a move to "heal the country".
the country does not want to be united, and i do not want biden or anybody to interfere with the nemesis or whatever is coming for trump when he loses.
he said that he will not pardon him even if it was seen as a move to "heal the country".
the country does not want to be united, and i do not want biden or anybody to interfere with the nemesis or whatever is coming for trump when he loses.
i didn't see a link to a video.
sorry there were no links last night. it is all over the internet today. here is a link.
he said that he will not pardon him even if it was seen as a move to "heal the country".
the country does not want to be united, and i do not want biden or anybody to interfere with the nemesis or whatever is coming for trump when he loses.
i didn't see a link to a video.
sorry there were no links last night. it is all over the internet today. here is a link.
biden came out on tv tonight and said he would absolutely not pardon trump, nor would he interfere with the DOJ investigations. let's see if he sticks to it. i think if he says this at his campaign rallies it would help him.
Biden isn't going to go after Trump any more than Trump is actually going after Obama who didn't do anything about Bush, etc. It's just to get their base worked up. That was the most telling thing about the whole Ukraine nonsense. Trump didn't actually care if they investigated Biden - he just wanted the President to come out and *say* they were going to.
I don't disagree with that....more importantly tRump knew that there was nothing to investigate. He just needs the narrative (i.e. Obamagate) to refer to in order to fire up the idiots that make up his base.
My son's BF's mom posted a great message on FB yesterday. I love how she misspelled "stupid"....she originally misspelled together but corrected it. This is tRump's base folks.
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But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.
There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
Maybe. I don't take it that way but I see how someone could. I'm just glad he was definitive on the issue. I am so used to wishy-washy Democrats that statements like this are refreshing to me.
But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
Not a dick move....he's a "law and order" kind of guy
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But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.
There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
Hey, I'm merely an American by accident of birth.
I'm all for the country remaining as divided as fuck.
But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
No, it’s not a dick move. Obama claiming there was no interest in investigating or understanding the origins of the Iraq war (44 million missing emails) because he wanted to “heal the country” and move on, now that was and is a dick move.
There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
Hey, I'm merely an American by accident of birth.
I'm all for the country remaining as divided as fuck.
I still have this feeling that tRump will resign prior to the election (if he knows he is toast) so that Pence can pardon him.
I'd think he could do that between the election and the inauguration.
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But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
The ideal response is "I'm just running for President right now...we're getting way ahead of ourselves. I'd let the DOJ do their job but I don't know more than that."
Still though, we're certainly holding him to a higher standard than the guy who talked about locking up his previous opponent during the election.
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But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
The ideal response is "I'm just running for President right now...we're getting way ahead of ourselves. I'd let the DOJ do their job but I don't know more than that."
Still though, we're certainly holding him to a higher standard than the guy who talked about locking up his previous opponent during the election.
And who still hears it chanted at his rallies.
I personally would hate that answer. It may be appropriate in perfect times but these times are from perfect and there is no benefit to even entertaining in the slightest the idea of pardoning Donald Trump.
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Your broader point was that you were playing the "both sides" card. There are times when that works and times when it doesn't. Biden pledging to let DOJ do its job and Trump asking a foreign power to investigate his political opposition are not at all the same. If you feel my pointing that out is mansplaining, that is most definitely a you problem.
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What I'm saying is if Biden gets elected, don't turn into these MAGAheads who perpetually think prosecution is right around the corner. It ain't happening. Just take the W.
trump supporters ask "how many wars has trump started". my answer: the one at home. sure, there's always been division. that started to flame up during obama's presidency. trump threw a powderkeg on it.
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he said that he will not pardon him even if it was seen as a move to "heal the country".
the country does not want to be united, and i do not want biden or anybody to interfere with the nemesis or whatever is coming for trump when he loses.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/decision-2020/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump/2303414/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
My son's BF's mom posted a great message on FB yesterday. I love how she misspelled "stupid"....she originally misspelled together but corrected it. This is tRump's base folks.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
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But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
There is a difference between actual “high crimes and misdemeanors” and pretend, made up out of whole cloth political witch hunts. Hard to believe and differentiate, I know.
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Maybe. I don't take it that way but I see how someone could. I'm just glad he was definitive on the issue. I am so used to wishy-washy Democrats that statements like this are refreshing to me.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I'm all for the country remaining as divided as fuck.
So is Russia. China, too.
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I'd think he could do that between the election and the inauguration.
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The ideal response is "I'm just running for President right now...we're getting way ahead of ourselves. I'd let the DOJ do their job but I don't know more than that."
Still though, we're certainly holding him to a higher standard than the guy who talked about locking up his previous opponent during the election.
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana