But for a presidential candidate to say that they would not do so even if it would heal the country (and again, I agree with you that it would not) is quite explicitly the very notion of party > country, is it not?
It's a dick move.
not a dick move at all.
trump is and always will be an impeached president that was let off the hook by barr, who chose to end the mueller investigation. trump needs to face the impartial legal system without his cronies meddling in it to tilt the playing field in his favor.
if biden pardons him, he will lose the left and the moderates and he will be a pariah.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
Probably true but I still have to wonder about that pardon. He knows he's fucked if he loses.
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trump ain't resigning. if he loses the election, the last 3 months of his presidency he's going to watch the country burn. and he's going to toss the match.
Probably true but I still have to wonder about that pardon. He knows he's fucked if he loses.
Is he though? The courts are becoming shaped increasingly in his image.
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Going after trump after he loses is about the dumbest thing anyone could do. The man feeds off attention. You would be feeding the monkey. Worst fate for trump would to become obscure.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
It's a stupid saying. You ever had a woman lie to you? I have.
Women totally always tell the truth, just like everyone else.../s I had a roommate in college that almost got kicked out of the dorms because a psycho ex-girlfriend started spreading rumors that he sexually assaulted her...when the authorities got involved, her tune changed and she admitted she “was really upset about the breakup”. She moved back home the next semester do to the embarrassment she brought upon herself. Did she think that he would take her back if she ruined her life or??? I try not to meander to far into psychos’ motivations.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
It's a stupid saying. You ever had a woman lie to you? I have.
It is a stupid saying, and it was a stupid saying when it was first uttered. It's unfortunate that it wasn't described as such at that time. Now it comes across as hypocrisy. (I mean from Democrats in general, not you in particular.)
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
It's a stupid saying. You ever had a woman lie to you? I have.
It is a stupid saying, and it was a stupid saying when it was first uttered. It's unfortunate that it wasn't described as such at that time. Now it comes across as hypocrisy. (I mean from Democrats in general, not you in particular.)
Yeah I don't know who started it, or said it, or repeated it. But it was extraordinarily short sighted. If you read the Politico article, and now teh PBS one, it's hard to argue that the accusation is credible. There is just simply too much counter-evidence.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Interesting read on the Tara allegations. One reporter spent a year looking into her allegations, inclusive of following up when new details emerged. Whisper campaign.
Crazy. I'll be interested to hear more backstory. You can read between the lines a little in his twitter thread. Regardless, it's disappointing. I guess I hope Vermin Supreme wins the LP nom just for the entertainment value. At least voters can see he's nuts on the surface - for most of the other candidates, you have to wait until they speak.
It's very hard for a 3rd party to gain momentum under normal circumstances. Almost impossible under current conditions. A certain waste of time and resources.
If there is ever going to be an election where Republicans and right-leaning independents might be looking for an alternative, 2020 is it. The decision to bail out this quickly is strange.
Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians
Maybe... good point. Read the comments on Reason for the article. Either Breitbart people hang on Reason because they let U post whatever you want, or Libertarians are total dicks.
I've been hunting around for info and the LNC is a dumpster fire. Like Jimmy said, it's a strange bail and I'll bet this was a big factor. They're digging in on decisions that are going to threaten ballot access and delay the nomination. I'm sure detailed stories will come out if anyone besides me cares. They'll be lucky to pull a fraction of what Gary Johnson got in 2016.
Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians
Maybe... good point. Read the comments on Reason for the article. Either Breitbart people hang on Reason because they let U post whatever you want, or Libertarians are total dicks.
There's definitely a lot of the latter. The objectivists that we bitch about are at it again.
Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians
how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?
There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination.
Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians
how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?
There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination.
I think the primary obstacle is the same for any third party: it’s a huge uphill climb and on the national level voting third is essentially throwing a vote away. Success would take a slow climb starting locally and growing toward the ability to compete on the national stage over a period of decades. This is for any party.
That said, you do make a point about this specific party; it’s tailor-made for purity tests. In theory, things like Medicare and driver’s licenses should not exist...but most people don’t agree. And either way, the smart move is to be pragmatic and get there after some easier hurdles have been cleared. The hard-left has the same problem with impatience and not being able/willing to play the long game.
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Further cementing my belief that the largest obstacle the Libertarian Party faces is libertarians
how so? is it because that there are like not many of them?
There are a bunch who are fixated on purity and so they get bogged down in minutiae. The type who will ask at a debate whether driver's licenses should be legal. One of the current leading candidates thinks Medicare should be repealed. Shit like that. Bad ideas that will also never play with voters. Winning combination.
I think the primary obstacle is the same for any third party: it’s a huge uphill climb and on the national level voting third is essentially throwing a vote away. Success would take a slow climb starting locally and growing toward the ability to compete on the national stage over a period of decades. This is for any party.
That said, you do make a point about this specific party; it’s tailor-made for purity tests. In theory, things like Medicare and driver’s licenses should not exist...but most people don’t agree. And either way, the smart move is to be pragmatic and get there after some easier hurdles have been cleared. The hard-left has the same problem with impatience and not being able/willing to play the long game.
I go back and forth on your first paragraph. 4.5 million people voted for Johnson in 2016. Obviously nowhere near enough to win, but they got 4.5 million people to go out and affirmatively check the box for a third party. Ultimately I don't think it's either/or. Do all of that work locally and run candidates wherever you can, but taking big swings in a Presidential election can pay dividends, too.
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trump is and always will be an impeached president that was let off the hook by barr, who chose to end the mueller investigation. trump needs to face the impartial legal system without his cronies meddling in it to tilt the playing field in his favor.
if biden pardons him, he will lose the left and the moderates and he will be a pariah.
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Is he though? The courts are becoming shaped increasingly in his image.
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I had a roommate in college that almost got kicked out of the dorms because a psycho ex-girlfriend started spreading rumors that he sexually assaulted her...when the authorities got involved, her tune changed and she admitted she “was really upset about the breakup”. She moved back home the next semester do to the embarrassment she brought upon herself. Did she think that he would take her back if she ruined her life or??? I try not to meander to far into psychos’ motivations.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That said, you do make a point about this specific party; it’s tailor-made for purity tests. In theory, things like Medicare and driver’s licenses should not exist...but most people don’t agree. And either way, the smart move is to be pragmatic and get there after some easier hurdles have been cleared. The hard-left has the same problem with impatience and not being able/willing to play the long game.
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