It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
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you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
Just because trump doesn't stare into space for 10 seconds doesn't make him more mentally fit. one could argue a stupid narcissist in the white house is worse than someone who isn't always mentally sharp.
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Just because trump doesn't stare into space for 10 seconds doesn't make him more mentally fit. one could argue a stupid narcissist in the white house is worse than someone who isn't always mentally sharp.
Exactly.
The choice sucks, it sucks that I will vote for someone who is too old for the job, but I believe voting for Biden is an absolute "must do".
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
Biden’s pretty much at the center.
Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.
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Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
Biden’s pretty much at the center.
Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.
I don't believe most of us who support Biden are big fans. We support Biden because... you know the rest.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics.
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Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics.
No this guy. I could write a song about that...
I can't drink used to when I was young,
I can't smoke like I did when I had bigger lungs.
I can't party like the old days
Or keep up with my old ways,
I'm just a speck of what I once was, son.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Here's the problem. If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus. Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc. If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization. And if he loses, that's it. He's done. It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again. Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.
By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
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you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Here's the problem. If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus. Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc. If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization. And if he loses, that's it. He's done. It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again. Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.
By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
Good points all around. Also, Newsom has made it pretty clear he's not going to run (this time!):
WASHINGTON — California Governor Gavin Newsom was in the spin room in Atlanta for the presidential debate on Thursday in support of President Joe Biden.
"I've
never seen a freakout like this," one House Democrat familiar with
conversations among lawmakers said Thursday night, CBS News reported.
CNN
senior political commentator David Axelrod also gave voice to a
conversation happening among many Democrats on Thursday night: "There
are going to be discussions about whether he should continue."
No serious Democratic challengers have stepped up to run against Mr.
Biden, and at this point in the campaign, Mr. Biden would have to decide
to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Mr. Biden
did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.
After the debate, Gov. Newsom dismissed calls for Mr. Biden to be removed from the Democratic ticket.
"I
will never turn my back on President Biden. Never turn my back on
President Biden, I don't know a Democrat in my party that would do so,"
he said when asked about a rumbling of Democrats possibly open to
replacing Biden as the party's nominee.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
Biden’s pretty much at the center.
Then his attempt to appeal to those you say he most closely aligns with could not have been a bigger failure. Staunch democrats are the only reason his approval rating has a pulse, and this has nothing to do with the great democrat awakening that’s taken place over the last few days.
I don't believe most of us who support Biden are big fans. We support Biden because... you know the rest.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have more than two legitimate options? Feeling forced into a decision with so much at stake doesn’t feel very democratic to me.
Let’s be honest. At 81 years old, in his current condition, Biden believes he is the best person to run the country. Narcissism and politics go hand in hand, including those who participate in the day to day back and forth. Psychology has known this for years. Our system is nothing more than a two-party duopoly at best, far from a true democracy. These guys are better suited to be Walmart door greeters, yet one of them will be running the country…again. I for one hope the political shit show that has been the last 8 years paves a path for Independent candidates to participate on an even playing field. For me, that is the first step in achieving a true democracy. Until then, I guess one of these two groups will be the only ones truly excited about the outcome. Sad.
it's not just politicians. most people believe they can still do what they used to do when they were younger. This type of thing isn't unique to politics.
I’m talking about the correlation between politics and narcissism. Believing you’re the best option to run the country vs believing you could still lace up the old sneakers and get in the game are completely different, imo.
you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Here's the problem. If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus. Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc. If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization. And if he loses, that's it. He's done. It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again. Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.
By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
I was brainstorming a situation where Harris steps out to run for CA Gov, Newsome gets added as VP, then Biden steps down and Newsome is the guy. Then add Buttigieg as VP.
That's probably not going to happen. It's like one of those puzzles where you move squares around to make a picture.
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It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.
I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.
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you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Here's the problem. If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus. Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc. If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization. And if he loses, that's it. He's done. It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again. Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.
By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
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you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man. it isn't going to happen. biden and harris is the ticket. harris has been the vp for 4 years already, which makes her more qualified than anybody else right now.
also, why the fuck are people not calling for trump to drop out? you know, convicted felon, wholly unfit for office, russian asset, anti american, etc, etc.
The soft racism of assumptions about black voters
how recent was that poll? sanders is not even in the conversation the last 3 years. nor is warren.
That's from the 2020 Dem. primary cycle
so can we speculate that this does not hold true in 2024? you know, since harris was on the ticket that was elected and is currently in office?
it can be implied that some african american and women voters may sit out out of spite if she is replaced. can't risk that happening at this point.
You said "you people are crazy to think for one second that african americans and women will just overlook biden replacing harris with another white man" when black voters preferred a "white man" first and second last time there was a primary option. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're just making things up.
you think they would accept harris being replaced by a white man? i seriously doubt some of them will, but you we are both entitled to our opinions.
i think it would be a stupid move, but typical of elected democrats. most of them are scared of their own shadow and do not have the guts for what this moment requires.
I honestly have no idea. If you were certain they would though couldn't you just go to Klobuchar, Jefferies, Booker, whomever? No one says it has to be a white guy.
everyone on here was calling for gavin. he's a white dude. nobody calling for any of the others you listed. about the same number calling for sanders and warren. none.
I'd like to see Gavin
I as well. I do think he would win if Biden would step away. I think 75% of the people want something else, someone else, no matter who it is…..
Here's the problem. If I am Newsome, I probably don't put my hat in the ring unless I inherit the entire Biden-Harris campaign apparatus. Think about it, a modern campaign needs months to set up field offices, fundraising, grass root efforts, etc. If he enters the campaign in August at the convention, he will be way behind Trump in organization. And if he loses, that's it. He's done. It would be very unusual for someone to lose a national election and run again. Only Trump and Nixon have done it that I can think of.
By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
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Good call. I was relying on my memory and the Gilded Age presidents were always a drag...
But as I dig deeper into my memory, I should have recalled Andrew Jackson. He lost in 1824 in the election known as the "Corrupt Bargain" before winning in 1828 and 32. But times were different before primaries, and the entire selection process took place in the conventions. So I am really, REALLY hoping we have a contested convention. That would be fantastic to watch.
It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.
I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.
Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue. There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump. And she thumps him 50-39.
It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
This has always been an important point for me. Who exactly is whispering in the president's ear and helping to make/write policy. Every single person whispering to tfg is a grifter and cares nothing about America or Americans.
It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.
I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.
Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue. There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump. And she thumps him 50-39.
Honestly - if the Dems want to be sure to win this election you need Biden to drop out and Michelle to take his place at the top of the ticket. You can keep Harris if you feel you need to in order to keep the campaign structure and $. A Michelle/Kamala ticket would be quite interesting and I'd be very interested to know of it works or she needs to add more diversity to her ticket.
But I do not believe that will happen. So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald. What an election.
It's all a disaster. Everything being said about Biden is true. He's old, he's tired, and just because he can sometimes come across well, doesn't mean the debate performance isn't just as likely to come out at any given time. The "3AM emergency scenario," for example. He's flat out not fit to be president. Trump is nearly as old but not as close to senile. In terms of physical and mental abilities, he's more fit. However, in terms of his complete disregard for the people he's supposed to be serving, his narcissism, his likely devotion to the leader of another country, his (realistic) desire to be a dictator, and the potential of his actions to destroy the republic, I cannot vote for him. The question is can I vote for Biden? Honestly, if I was certain the country I know and love could come out of this intact four years from now, I'd vote third. But I'm not. So here's my rationale: I'm voting for an administration.
Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
That's the kicker. I'm surprised by polling that still shows Biden doing better against tRump than Harris or Newsome.
I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.
Certainly for Newsome, it's a recognition issue. There was a recent poll but Reuters just released that only has Michelle Obama beating Trump. And she thumps him 50-39.
Honestly - if the Dems want to be sure to win this election you need Biden to drop out and Michelle to take his place at the top of the ticket. You can keep Harris if you feel you need to in order to keep the campaign structure and $. A Michelle/Kamala ticket would be quite interesting and I'd be very interested to know of it works or she needs to add more diversity to her ticket.
But I do not believe that will happen. So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald. What an election.
I don't think she has the slightest interest in being president. I do agree she would smoke him though.
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Remember, we love that America doesn't have a dictator (for now). Joe won't be one and he'll be surrounded by far better people than Trump is.
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And it wasn't very good a week ago.
that was before we became a red hellscape not too long after that.
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I don't believe most of us who support Biden are big fans. We support Biden because... you know the rest.
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By contrast, Harris would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign cash and the ground troops. She would have a huge advantage over Newsome in that respect.
WASHINGTON — California Governor Gavin Newsom was in the spin room in Atlanta for the presidential debate on Thursday in support of President Joe Biden.
Mr. Biden's debate performance has set off alarm bells among top Democrats, leaving some to openly question whether Biden can stay atop the Democratic ticket.
During the early minutes of the debate, Mr. Biden struggled to name Medicare when he was asked about the tax rate for wealthy Americans.
"I've never seen a freakout like this," one House Democrat familiar with conversations among lawmakers said Thursday night, CBS News reported.
CNN senior political commentator David Axelrod also gave voice to a conversation happening among many Democrats on Thursday night: "There are going to be discussions about whether he should continue."
No serious Democratic challengers have stepped up to run against Mr. Biden, and at this point in the campaign, Mr. Biden would have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Mr. Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.
One person who has frequently been asked if he is headed toward an eventual presidential run, either now or in 2028, is Gov. Newsom.
After the debate, Gov. Newsom dismissed calls for Mr. Biden to be removed from the Democratic ticket.
"I will never turn my back on President Biden. Never turn my back on President Biden, I don't know a Democrat in my party that would do so," he said when asked about a rumbling of Democrats possibly open to replacing Biden as the party's nominee.
I’m talking about the correlation between politics and narcissism. Believing you’re the best option to run the country vs believing you could still lace up the old sneakers and get in the game are completely different, imo.
That's probably not going to happen. It's like one of those puzzles where you move squares around to make a picture.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I'm not sure I believe that but it's interesting.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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But as I dig deeper into my memory, I should have recalled Andrew Jackson. He lost in 1824 in the election known as the "Corrupt Bargain" before winning in 1828 and 32. But times were different before primaries, and the entire selection process took place in the conventions. So I am really, REALLY hoping we have a contested convention. That would be fantastic to watch.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/
Who exactly is whispering in the president's ear and helping to make/write policy.
Every single person whispering to tfg is a grifter and cares nothing about America or Americans.
But I do not believe that will happen. So it's diminished Joe vs insane Donald. What an election.