Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00031938&cycle=CAREER
    Nearly 40% of the corporate money Amash has raised is from 4 sources: 

    Cato Institute $35,000
    The Cato Institute was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries. 

    Amway/Alticor Inc $163,205
    Alticor is a privately owned American corporation which is run by the DeVos family

    Windquest Group$92,275
    CEO and Founder Richard DeVos

    Club for Growth$275,605
    Founder: Stephen Moore - Donald Trump's Economic Advisor


    Nearly 14% ($196,000) came from Michigan Industrial Tools, aka Amash Imports
    Sector- Wholesale Trade. Trade Name- Michigan Industrial Tools, Amash Brothers Distributing. So
    MIT/Tekton doesn’t make anything, just “Imports” & “distributes” shit from China

    Amash is owned by the Republican party and China
    Harvey Weinstein raised Hillary more than 500k at one Hamptons party. If you can figure out how to get at least a 20x multiplier out of any of those groups, I'm all ears.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It is very surprising. Was not expecting to see this.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    Would someone please point me to one piece of libertarian legislation or a country, city, state or any other type of societal organization run by the libertarian ideology that’s been successful? Your date range is since the beginning of time to the present. I’m all ears.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
    I wish that was extended to Republicans and Libertarians on these here forums
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
    People are people.  It's not about ideology.  
    I wish that was extended to Republicans and Libertarians on these here forums
    My point is that people have a tendency to believe the worst about the other guy and the best about theirs. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    I think Justin Amash deserves his own thread.
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  • Biden
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Biden
    trump is all about drama and reality tv and ratings. this would be the ultimate twist.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Biden
    also paul ryan joins the amash team, and they all fall in line behind trump. just watch.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Biden
    trump is so far behind in the polls, the gop may lose arizona, texas, and georgia. they need to do something to shake it up. the gop has never, ever gone into a national election this vulnerable. they are going to lose the presidency and the senate. they will not allow it to happen that easily.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    No way.  I think that is a 1% chance.  The never Trumpers aren’t going to join him because of Amash.  It’s not like Pence or any VP has a voice in policy.  It’s only Trump, Miller and his family.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    Has Randy Paul joined his exploratory committee or endorsed him yet? Would Bernie run as VP?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    No. tRUmp hijacked the Republican party. They don't have the cohesiveness they once had. 

    How many Republican Congress critters retired the cycle? The ones that remained, how many of their seats are at risk?
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    Biden
    so nobody here finds it possible that trump dumps pence and teams up with amash to unify the right?

    the republicans may live and die on failed policy, but they know how to run a national campaign.
    Nope. There is zero love between the two. Amash bailed on the GOP opposing the “bend the knee” mentality. Amash also voted to impeach the Oval Asshole. Trump openly hates  him.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    edited April 2020
    How’s The Body feeling these days? He endorse Amash? Ready to come off the turnbuckle to once and for all drain the swamp? Maybe Borat could be their Secretary of State? Bernie, Secretary of HHS? Diamond & Silk, Secretaries of the Treasury & HUD, respectively? The Rock for Secretary of Defense? Judge Pirro for AG? Hannity for WH press secretary? Joe Rogan, Director of WH Communications? Dr. Phil, Director of CDC? Mad Money Guy, Secretary of Commerce? Billy Graham, jr. WH Spiritual Advisor? The Bundys, Secretary of the Interior (it’s a group effort)? Ted Nugent and ZZ Top as House band, to replace the Marine Corps band and really express the love?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    CM189191 said:
    Buh buh buh buh, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, did you hear?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    What exactly was edited of any importance to change her story? Other than adding that she had not told the whole story there is nothing here. Funny enough the only change that could be seen as holding any weight is given a pass by the author of the article:

    To be absolutely clear
    : simply coming forward with new information is not “changing her story”. Abuse victims will often speak up about their experiences in different pieces. This is not abnormal.

    This blog post is not of any concern to the Biden camp anyway, sexual misconduct in the form that is described here would not be enough to force him out even if it was caught on video. Shoulder touching, neck rubbing, and saying he liked her legs is slightly different than the other alleged encounter which your “hot take” tweet fails to mention. You know, that little encounter that would undoubtedly be the end for Biden if true. Social media is not your friend.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    What exactly was edited of any importance to change her story? Other than adding that she had not told the whole story there is nothing here. Funny enough the only change that could be seen as holding any weight is given a pass by the author of the article:

    To be absolutely clear
    : simply coming forward with new information is not “changing her story”. Abuse victims will often speak up about their experiences in different pieces. This is not abnormal.

    This blog post is not of any concern to the Biden camp anyway, sexual misconduct in the form that is described here would not be enough to force him out even if it was caught on video. Shoulder touching, neck rubbing, and saying he liked her legs is slightly different than the other alleged encounter which your “hot take” tweet fails to mention. You know, that little encounter that would undoubtedly be the end for Biden if true. Social media is not your friend.
    Was it Sleepy Woke Joe that said, “I like your legs?” Or was it a staffer who asked her, “to serve drinks,” because Sleepy Woke Joe, “liked her legs?”

    To quote that brilliant repub legal mind during the impeachment hearings, “was you there?”

    ”If true.”
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    edited April 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    So what did she update here, that for you would not be looked on as a "if the glove don't fit, acquit"  level argument if this was concerning Brett Kavanaugh instead?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden

    Trump lashed out at campaign manager after polls showed him trailing Biden

    In this image Trump sits at a table

    President Trump meets with industry executives at the White House on April 29. Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images

    President Trump erupted on a phone call last week with campaign manager Brad Parscale after being presented with polls that showed former Vice President Joe Biden beating him in several key states, CNN first reported and Axios has confirmed.

    Driving the news: Swing-state polls from this week show Biden pulling ahead in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, indicating that the presumptive Democratic nominee has benefited from remaining out of the public eye.

    • Gallup has found that Trump's approval rating has taken its sharpest dip to date since he took office.
    • And Pew Research reports that about 65% of Americans believe the president was too slow to take major steps to handle the threat of the coronavirus.

    The big picture: Trump demanded on the call to know how his campaign, which is sitting on a massive fundraising war chest and sprawling digital operation, is polling behind a candidate that he views as weak.

    • Trump insisted to Parscale that the polling data was wrong and blamed him for the state of the race. According to the New York Times, the president at one point threatened to sue Parscale, though the threat did not appear to be serious.

    What he's saying: Trump told Reuters in an interview published later Wednesday he didn't think the election would be a referendum on his leadership during the pandemic, but it would be "a referendum on all the things we’ve done and certainly this will be a part of it, but we’ve done a great job."

    "I don’t believe the polls. I believe the people of this country are smart. And I don’t think that they will put a man in who’s incompetent."
    — Trump's remarks to Reuters
    • Trump tweeted early Thursday that he thought Parscale was "doing a great job." "I never shouted at him (been with me for years, including the 2016 win), & have no intention to do so,” he added.

    The bottom line: Axios' Jonathan Swan reported last week that a number of Trump's most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings, believing his ratings have suffered from overexposure.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. If you deny this fact, check out Hillary’s approval ratings in 2014 after Benghazi and again in late 2015 when the smear campaign was at full speed.


    we now have the same exact gameplan in progress. Tara Email Server Reade, who did little in 30 years attacking Biden , all of a sudden is trying to get on the front pages and a libertarian hero who was bold enough to stand up against trump is suddenly getting some attention as a  third party option

    If you thought trumps first term was bad for real liberty (not the fake “American libertarianism“) just wait to find out how draconian a second term would be.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 
    Source for this. Show the receipts. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 
    Source for this. Show the receipts. 
    There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 
    Source for this. Show the receipts. 
    There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 
    C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    It really is choppy waters engaging with complete nonsense thoughtfully and respectfully, per posting guidelines 

    "Yes, vitalogyrulz420, I see where you might believe the Illuminati lizard people adorned Justin Amash with this year's Erlekshun Spoiler Crown, but I disagree that the picture you posted of Trump's arm shows scales. We're all entitled to our opinions."
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 
    Source for this. Show the receipts. 
    There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 
    C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 
    Are you reading the same post I'm reading? You believe the Libertarian Party has any coordination with Trump?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Biden
    As a lifelong independent, I cannot overstate how much of a turnoff it is to hear Democrats constantly whining about other candidates being on the ballot. I understand the concern in the context of a Jill Stein or a Bernie third party run, but to hear the same laments about a former REPUBLICAN congressman who famously and publicly broke with Trump is over the top. Who are these left-leaning voters who are going to abandon Biden and flock to Amash? Why would anyone who was ever going to vote for Biden in the first place do that? It is much more likely that Amash will peel right-leaning voters disgusted with Trump away from him.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does


    Trumps game plan last time was to drag the opponents favorables down to his level then have plausible third party options for disgusted voters. 
    Source for this. Show the receipts. 
    There's no source. We're on to day 2 of conspiracy theories. 
    C'mon,  you don't need a source for this other than your eyes. Trump always has to sew distrust and negativity.  That gives him the ability to say he's no worse than the next guy.  It's the only way. 
    Are you reading the same post I'm reading? You believe the Libertarian Party has any coordination with Trump?
    Not at all.  But I don't think that's what Lerx was saying. 
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