Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

why would be have a copy of the interview??

That's fairly normal in case someone believes the tapes were unfairly edited.  But he won't release it anyway.  And even if he does, 60 minutes still gets all the old people watching. 

Lerxst1992

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

the court in no way reflects the electorate or the prevailing opinions of the majority of americans.

it is kind of stupid that replacing justices all depends on when they die and what political party holds the white house and the senate.

biden needs to add 4 justices to make it 13. make these republicans pay and pay dearly for the last 16 years.

This sounds, to an outsider who hasn't thought about judges in his entire life, like changing the rules to monopoly mid-game.

Would you say the same, if there was 6 liberal judges on the court?

Your comment is ironic because in the winter and spring we were debating Medicare for all, and I pointed out it has no chance in America unless the Dems grow some courage and start playing hardball like the republicans do.

The constitution says congress sets the number of justices. It would have taken five words to set a limit and the constitution does not. For all we know the framers foresaw a situation just like this and decided to give this power to congress.

100% Dems will have this constitutional power if they win congress and presidency, as well as the power of adding states such as DC and PR

They should not hesitate.

Lerxst1992

pjhawks said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

the court in no way reflects the electorate or the prevailing opinions of the majority of americans.

it is kind of stupid that replacing justices all depends on when they die and what political party holds the white house and the senate.

biden needs to add 4 justices to make it 13. make these republicans pay and pay dearly for the last 16 years.

Agree but I don't see the Dems doing that. They are not cut throat enough.  They will just sit back and take it.

That’s why we have The Squad. 

They should add justices and also DC / PR as states. Let the republicans eat crow for a change.

Time for change is now.

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1318580883167825925?s=20

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Texas seceded from the United States (as long as we could annex Austin).

The swing state polls are too close for my liking, reminding me of 2016.

But early voting is giving me hope. As of Yesterday 31 million cumulative  votes were cast, today it increased to 36 million.

At this pace it is possible to have 100 million votes cast before Election Day. Dems are running about +20% so far. Good news.

brianlux

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1318580883167825925?s=20

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Texas seceded from the United States (as long as we could annex Austin).

The swing state polls are too close for my liking, reminding me of 2016.

But early voting is giving me hope. As of Yesterday 31 million cumulative  votes were cast, today it increased to 36 million.

At this pace it is possible to have 100 million votes cast before Election Day. Dems are running about +20% so far. Good news.

   Good to hear!

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1318580883167825925?s=20

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Texas seceded from the United States (as long as we could annex Austin).

The swing state polls are too close for my liking, reminding me of 2016.

But early voting is giving me hope. As of Yesterday 31 million cumulative  votes were cast, today it increased to 36 million.

At this pace it is possible to have 100 million votes cast before Election Day. Dems are running about +20% so far. Good news.

I think visible momentum towards Biden could draw Republicans out to cast votes, exacerbated by the terror of Democrats being in control of Congress, Senate, and Executive branches. To that effect, I think this can serve either party if they properly exploit the situation, but Trump has shown himself more adept at exploitation, and Republicans more exploitable. 

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

the court in no way reflects the electorate or the prevailing opinions of the majority of americans.

it is kind of stupid that replacing justices all depends on when they die and what political party holds the white house and the senate.

biden needs to add 4 justices to make it 13. make these republicans pay and pay dearly for the last 16 years.

This sounds, to an outsider who hasn't thought about judges in his entire life, like changing the rules to monopoly mid-game.

Would you say the same, if there was 6 liberal judges on the court?

Your comment is ironic because in the winter and spring we were debating Medicare for all, and I pointed out it has no chance in America unless the Dems grow some courage and start playing hardball like the republicans do.

The constitution says congress sets the number of justices. It would have taken five words to set a limit and the constitution does not. For all we know the framers foresaw a situation just like this and decided to give this power to congress.

100% Dems will have this constitutional power if they win congress and presidency, as well as the power of adding states such as DC and PR

They should not hesitate.

I don't see the irony.

But okey, it can be changed by congress with just one session of voting. Then do it. But then the amount of judges can yoyo depending on who's in charge of congress? No "there need to be two votes held, with an election between them" or something similar, like important matters in Sweden?

mickeyrat

Biden

mickeyrat

Biden

so the neighbors put out one of those say no to creepy joe signs. made my consider creating my own to place next to those. specific signs one that say  "but the pussy grabbers ok though"

darwinstheory

Biden

mickeyrat said:

Well, it's not wrong.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

mickeyrat said:

The lines in the B looks to be a different width then the rest.

Should have worked a bit more on that.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Jearlpam0925 said:

The amount of people who believe not only in trickle-down but also trickle-up is fucking astounding.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Liz Williams, co-director of ARC said: “Our research shows that the state department under the Trump administration has excluded human rights issues from its reports which continue to be well documented elsewhere. We are concerned that these omissions have the effect of denying the existence of rights or abuses and may result in certain types of asylum claims being dismissed if the US Department of State reports are relied upon in isolation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/trump-administration-human-rights-annual-reports

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

This just popped up as a preroll for me on youtube,

Made me think of the discussions concerning the current US health care system, and people on here defending it. Made me chuckle.

https://youtu.be/-99LFmrmt3w

Hopefully 8 years of Biden (and/or Harris) can make changes to that mentality and make those comments finally be considered as, as absurd as the ones in the video

mickeyrat

Biden

 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/presidential/2020/10/20/democrats-way-ahead-franklin-county-early-voting-over-republicans-and-joe-biden-donald-trump/5990290002/

Halifax2TheMax

“We kind of just never used it.” That’s how you do plausible deniability, boys and girls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/20/proud-boys-emails-florida/

mcgruff10

Biden

The freaking nerve of this guy, unreal.  How dare we try to bring people out of poverty.  Damn demoncrats.

https://www.yahoo.com/money/bidens-social-security-and-ssi-plan-would-lift-14-million-out-of-poverty-study-finds-200534985.html

Joe Biden’s plans for Social Security and Supplemental Security Income would lift 1.4 million Americans out of poverty in its first year, a new analysis found, along with guaranteeing the payout of full benefits for another five years.

The former vice president’s plan hinges on imposing the 6.2% Social Security tax on earnings above $400,000. Employees and their employers are taxed on earnings up to $137,000 under current guidelines.

If enacted next year, Social Security would collect 7% more in revenue in 2021, 12% more in 2040, and 16% more in 2065 than under current law, according to the analysis. That would allow Biden to move forward on a seven-pronged plan to increase benefits for Social Security and SSI recipients.

“Social Security faces a serious financial problem and the next president is going to have to deal with this,” said Richard John, senior fellow at the Program on Retirement Policy at the Urban Institute, a think tank, “It’s getting to the point now where they’re going to have to act sooner through tax increases or cuts to Social Security.”

Gern Blansten

Biden

The buzz in tRumpville yesterday was that the WSJ was going to have a breakout story on Hunter Biden....turns out it was just an opinion piece that made no waves at all.

Tiktok is full of tRumpsters saying that the laptop had child porn on it....they conveniently overlook that the FBI has the laptop and has not made any arrests for child porn.

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1318580883167825925?s=20

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Texas seceded from the United States (as long as we could annex Austin).

The swing state polls are too close for my liking, reminding me of 2016.

But early voting is giving me hope. As of Yesterday 31 million cumulative  votes were cast, today it increased to 36 million.

At this pace it is possible to have 100 million votes cast before Election Day. Dems are running about +20% so far. Good news.

I think visible momentum towards Biden could draw Republicans out to cast votes, exacerbated by the terror of Democrats being in control of Congress, Senate, and Executive branches. To that effect, I think this can serve either party if they properly exploit the situation, but Trump has shown himself more adept at exploitation, and Republicans more exploitable. 

It might, but polls have shown voters planning to vote early this year has increased exponentially, and of this population Dems planning to vote early are about 20+ points higher per the polls.  Right now it’s +27 D. Last time it was +8 D.

Typically pundits say this means nothing, whether votes are early, mailed or traditional. But the numbers this year are off the charts, whether due to covid, more states expanding mail/ early voting or desire for change. Since last night , another 2 million votes have been added to the total, it’s up to 38 million. The record for total early voting (47M) could fall before friday

Its been running at 5 million per day within the last week, which means we could have 77% of the vote cast BEFORE Election Day.

This has two very possible scenarios. First, since Dems appear to be getting nearly 30% more early votes, any encumbrance on Election Day voting is likely to hurt republicans. Whether that’s a driving rain storm, severe thunderstorms or anything else, if it drives down the traditional vote slightly, it’s likely to hurt republicans, which is the opposite of what the media has been reporting (intimidation will drive down the vote). Trump won by razor thin margins in 4 states and we did not have early voting like this.

Second, in areas where Rs usually win by restricting access to vote, the opposite is possible. Shorter Election Day lines in Democratic cities within Red states could also hurt trump.

Lerxst1992

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What does "packing the court" mean?

Adding seats to the SC.  In this case Biden would add three seats so that there would be 12 justices.  The reason being that the court is lopsided with 6 conservatives and 3 liberals.  It makes total sense.

the court in no way reflects the electorate or the prevailing opinions of the majority of americans.

it is kind of stupid that replacing justices all depends on when they die and what political party holds the white house and the senate.

biden needs to add 4 justices to make it 13. make these republicans pay and pay dearly for the last 16 years.

This sounds, to an outsider who hasn't thought about judges in his entire life, like changing the rules to monopoly mid-game.

Would you say the same, if there was 6 liberal judges on the court?

Your comment is ironic because in the winter and spring we were debating Medicare for all, and I pointed out it has no chance in America unless the Dems grow some courage and start playing hardball like the republicans do.

The constitution says congress sets the number of justices. It would have taken five words to set a limit and the constitution does not. For all we know the framers foresaw a situation just like this and decided to give this power to congress.

100% Dems will have this constitutional power if they win congress and presidency, as well as the power of adding states such as DC and PR

They should not hesitate.

I don't see the irony.

But okey, it can be changed by congress with just one session of voting. Then do it. But then the amount of judges can yoyo depending on who's in charge of congress? No "there need to be two votes held, with an election between them" or something similar, like important matters in Sweden?

It’s ironic because IIRC you were very vocal about sanders winning the nomination because healthcare should be provided for everyone. I countered that in this country the red states get more power and the courts will not allow expanded Medicare for all.

Now we have the worst possible scenario on the Court. 

To make change like you wanted happen, Dems must be bold and not hesitate. And we don’t know if packing the Court will make it “yo-yo.” It requires one party to sweep elections, and if Dems win this year, it’s unlikely the Rs will have a realistic chance at winning the House in another 12 years (that’s a long explanation). So 12 years with 12+ Justices is much better than what we have now.

Further, packing the Court should be accompanied by statehood for DC and PR. That give the Dems much better odds for holding the senate long term.