Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

STAYSEA

Hilarious!!!!

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

tbergs

Biden

NYT explaining why they waited 19 days to run the story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/business/media/joe-biden-tara-reade-new-york-times.html

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

mrussel1

Biden

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

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pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote. 

I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.

josevolution

So some posters here are ok that we do have a sexual predator as president but find Biden to be worst than him so they will vote for the Baffoon? lol yeah ok both men are the same unreal there’s 20,000 dead reasons why I’m voting against the fucking orange Baffoon by November that number will be 60k ..

CM189191

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

darwinstheory

Biden

We need all of these people to repeatedly be in the public eye calmly reminding the public about the repeated attempts at minimizing this pandemic. 

His true colors showed yesterday. Today will be an act to try to repair that damage. 

Ledbetterman10

Biden

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”

The Juggler

Biden

pjl44 said:

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I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote. 

I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.

I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer. 

Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go. 

mrussel1

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”

Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along,  that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either.  You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

The Juggler said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

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pjl44 said:

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pjl44 said:

I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote. 

I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.

I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer. 

Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go. 

I looked back and the 2016 Dem primary was still a two-person race into June. But yeah a long time left and things are extremely volatile. I can't imagine Trump's daily slap fights with the press are helping.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”

Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along,  that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either.  You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?

That’s fine but it renders his endorsement meaningless. What is someone that was considering voting for Trump gonna vote Biden now because of the Obama endorsement? No, so the endorsement doesn’t really mean anything. To me actually, no political endorsements mean that much. Unless you’re a simpleton that needs to be told who to vote for I guess. 

Ledbetterman10

Biden

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

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I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows. 

Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?

Why are you on about Louise Mensch?  You're making this about her.  She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.  

She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit 

You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her. 

What was your point?

That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times.  And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately.  But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.  

Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:

- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories

I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious.  I guess I don't expect the press to be fair.  Throughout American history,  the media always pushed narratives.  It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.

That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:

I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled.  I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism.  They lose me quickly there.  I think he should run.  Helps Biden.

Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.

The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.

Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote. 

I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.

I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer. 

Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go. 

I looked back and the 2016 Dem primary was still a two-person race into June. But yeah a long time left and things are extremely volatile. I can't imagine Trump's daily slap fights with the press are helping.

I think he’s killing himself with these “briefings.” Joe should just sit back for a month or two and let Trump keep digging himself a hole. 

pjl44

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”

Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along,  that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either.  You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?

That all may be true but doesn't it sound a touch arrogant? "If I endorse, I am a kingmaker." Especially when other prominent Dems had a preference and endorsed Biden at key moments - Clyburn before SC, Klobuchar dropping out and endorsing when MN was in play for Sanders.

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1250065535200616448?s=19

What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”

No, not really. Sitting and past presidents traditionally do not insert themselves into the nominating process as they prefer, and the party prefers, that the process play out. Obama not endorsing Sleepy Woke Joe until now is nothing more than him allowing the process to play out and then backing whoever the eventual nominee is. Obama would have endorsed Bernie had Bernie been the nominee. And he would have encouraged ALL democrats to get behind Bernie and help him win. Hardly an "if he's all we got," moment.