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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    Biden
    What happens if he steps down?  Seems like it would be a shitshow with the votes pointing to Bernie but the Party wanting, well, anyone else.  They'd have to either choose Bernie and risk losing the middle due to "fear of socialism" or risk losing the far-left and even middle-of-the-road independents due to "unfair process."  Damned if they do, damned if they don't, damned if Joe stays, damned if he leaves.  Fuck.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    Hillary parachuting into a brokered convention. It's not quite on the table...yet. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Hillary parachuting into a brokered convention. It's not quite on the table...yet. 

    Oh god...I didn't even think of that.  #TrumpUnopposed.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    Democrats have proudly been the party of #MeToo. That's not a bad thing, but they can't just abandon it now. 
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    I'm sitting this one out
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    There should be one standard, a human standard and political affiliation should have nothing to do with it.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    You feel like he's been held to a *higher* standard? He hasn't been asked a single question about this by a journalist, nor has he directly addressed it. A statement by him, not "from the campaign."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    pjl44 said:
    Preferably in a court of law, under oath, not by trial in the press, where Biden can depose and be deposed.

    "I'd like to be heard in a fair and objective way," she said. "And I'd also like to hear Joe Biden's response, which has not happened. My hope is that the conversation will move forward and we will examine how I was treated when I came forward, and really look at the fact that, like domestic violence, sexual assault and sexual harassment is not a partisan issue. It is an equal opportunity offender."

    What's stopping Tara?

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    The calls for Biden to address this (at least, from anyone not named Tara Reade) are a trap designed to force Biden into shining a light on the story himself. "Biden addresses sexual assault allegation" would instantly become the biggest non-Covid story in the country, even if his comments were a fierce denial. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    JimmyV said:
    The calls for Biden to address this (from anyone not name Tara Reade) are a trap designed to force Biden into shining a light on the story himself. "Biden addresses sexual assault allegation" would instantly become the biggest non-Covid story in the country, even if his comments were a fierce denial. 
    And then social media would be flooded with doctored audio and video to make him appear to say things he didn't say, or "look guilty," deceitful, etc. Its bad enough the story has changed several times since it "broke," way back in 1993.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    People's brains have been so poisoned by partisan punditry that it's a "trap" to ask a Presidential candidate who's been credibly accused of sexual assault to address it
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    Journalism exists specifically to shine a light on stories like a Presidential candidate being accused of sexual assault
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    JimmyV said:
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
    The only appropriate place Biden should address this directly is under oath with the opportunity to depose Tara and her "witnesses." I thought Tara wanted to be heard in a "fair and objective way?"
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    There should be one standard, a human standard and political affiliation should have nothing to do with it.
    One guy has 20+ accusers, one guy has 1. I agree that obviously there is a human standard that we all need to live up to. Just seems outrageous that one party, who used to care about family values, doesn't give a shit about everything Trump is accused of yet acts holier than thou when discussing this alleged transgression against Biden. 

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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
    The only appropriate place Biden should address this directly is under oath with the opportunity to depose Tara and her "witnesses." I thought Tara wanted to be heard in a "fair and objective way?"
    Since when has the judicial system in the US been fair and objective?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
    The only appropriate place Biden should address this directly is under oath with the opportunity to depose Tara and her "witnesses." I thought Tara wanted to be heard in a "fair and objective way?"

    Is that possible? Is there a statute of limitations?

    Ugh, it's going to be a long year.  I'm already burned out on "they only care when it's a Republican" coming from people who only care when it's a Democrat.  (Even if it is true to a degree). 
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
    The only appropriate place Biden should address this directly is under oath with the opportunity to depose Tara and her "witnesses." I thought Tara wanted to be heard in a "fair and objective way?"

    I don't think that would work out the way you think it would. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    Demanding Biden "address" something implies a formal statement or press conference, particularly if we are going to attack the press for not asking him about it. That is indeed a trap. The verbage wasn't "Biden needs to be asked about this." It would be a different conversation if it had been. The comment made was "Biden is gonna have to address it directly." It was about Biden doing something, not the press. 
    It's both. He needs to be asked about this and, if he continues not to be, he should at least issue a statement personally (which I assume/hope would be a categorical denial).
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    No matter what question he is asked, we will hear it didn't go far enough. No matter what statement he makes, we will hear that is wasn't strong enough. His words will be parsed and hours of cable news will be filled. It's a losing battle either way, which is why it is such an effective trap.  
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    No matter what question he is asked, we will hear it didn't go far enough. No matter what statement he makes, we will hear that is wasn't strong enough. His words will be parsed and hours of cable news will be filled. It's a losing battle either way, which is why it is such an effective trap.  
    Now you're torching a straw man
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    CNN out here laying traps


  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    No matter what question he is asked, we will hear it didn't go far enough. No matter what statement he makes, we will hear that is wasn't strong enough. His words will be parsed and hours of cable news will be filled. It's a losing battle either way, which is why it is such an effective trap.  
    Now you're torching a straw man
    No, I'm describing the reality of what will happen. It is exactly how news cycles work. You really think his issuing a statement or calling a press conference will make this go away? No chance. He would be pouring gasoline on a small fire.  
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    On a completely different note, goodness gracious


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    he should avoid talking about it at all costs for as long as possible.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    he should avoid talking about it at all costs for as long as possible.
    The crazy part is that this is even an option. He shouldn't have a choice. A reporter should have asked him by now.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    CNN wanting video of Biden addressing the story proves my point. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    CNN wanting video of Biden addressing the story proves my point. 
    Which point?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,170
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    CNN wanting video of Biden addressing the story proves my point. 
    Which point?
    That Biden addressing this will only make it cable news fodder and a bigger story. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    CNN wanting video of Biden addressing the story proves my point. 
    Which point?
    That Biden addressing this will only make it cable news fodder and a bigger story. 
    You think CNN has it out for Biden?
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