Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    I'm sitting this one out
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Richman
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Richman
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Richman
    Trump has a shit ton of followers because he's the President. And, yeah, it's for every reason imaginable on the continuum from love to hate. There's really been no compelling reason to follow Biden up until recently. Trump had a big head start, essentially. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Richman
    Trump has a shit ton of followers because he's the President. And, yeah, it's for every reason imaginable on the continuum from love to hate. There's really been no compelling reason to follow Biden up until recently. Trump had a big head start, essentially. 
    Do you think it really matters? We know there are a ton of fake Twitter accounts.  And lots if people overseas.  In the primaries we learned first hand that Twitter traffic was no harbinger of voter turnout or even opinions. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    (CNN)Newly surfaced video from 1993 appears to feature the mother of Tara Reade, a woman who accused presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of sexual assault, calling into a cable TV show to seek advice around the time of the alleged assault.

    In a "Larry King Live" segment that aired on August 11, 1993, on CNN, an unnamed woman calls in to the show with her location identified on the screen as San Luis Obispo, California. The show was about the cutthroat nature of Washington, DC, politics and media.
    "Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
    Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
    "That's true," the caller says.
    The woman does not mention sexual assault or harassment, nor does she describe in any detail what "problems" she might be referring to. Her daughter's name and Biden are also not mentioned.
    In a phone interview with CNN Friday night, Reade told CNN that she is certain the voice in the video belongs to her mother, Jeanette Altimus, who died a few years ago.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html


    So, eh, @Kat and @Halifax2TheMax you still stand by these? 


    Good luck having her deposed. Or taking the witness stand. Jeez lady, how about filing charges with law enforcement? You know, Capitol Police, DC Police, FBI, Virginia or Maryland State Police? Still “prosecuting” her case in the press, why? “For a story she’s been trying to tell since 1993.” 

    Yes, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign. Not a legal case.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    (CNN)Newly surfaced video from 1993 appears to feature the mother of Tara Reade, a woman who accused presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of sexual assault, calling into a cable TV show to seek advice around the time of the alleged assault.

    In a "Larry King Live" segment that aired on August 11, 1993, on CNN, an unnamed woman calls in to the show with her location identified on the screen as San Luis Obispo, California. The show was about the cutthroat nature of Washington, DC, politics and media.
    "Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
    Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
    "That's true," the caller says.
    The woman does not mention sexual assault or harassment, nor does she describe in any detail what "problems" she might be referring to. Her daughter's name and Biden are also not mentioned.
    In a phone interview with CNN Friday night, Reade told CNN that she is certain the voice in the video belongs to her mother, Jeanette Altimus, who died a few years ago.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html


    So, eh, @Kat and @Halifax2TheMax you still stand by these? 


    Good luck having her deposed. Or taking the witness stand. Jeez lady, how about filing charges with law enforcement? You know, Capitol Police, DC Police, FBI, Virginia or Maryland State Police? Still “prosecuting” her case in the press, why? “For a story she’s been trying to tell since 1993.” 

    Yes, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign. Not a legal case.
    You are sure it is a whisper campaign.

    At the same time to ignorant and uninformed to know that she has reported it to law enforcement.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reade-sexual-assault-allegation-against-biden-remains-open-investigation-says-d-c-police


    Good to know.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    (CNN)Newly surfaced video from 1993 appears to feature the mother of Tara Reade, a woman who accused presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of sexual assault, calling into a cable TV show to seek advice around the time of the alleged assault.

    In a "Larry King Live" segment that aired on August 11, 1993, on CNN, an unnamed woman calls in to the show with her location identified on the screen as San Luis Obispo, California. The show was about the cutthroat nature of Washington, DC, politics and media.
    "Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
    Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
    "That's true," the caller says.
    The woman does not mention sexual assault or harassment, nor does she describe in any detail what "problems" she might be referring to. Her daughter's name and Biden are also not mentioned.
    In a phone interview with CNN Friday night, Reade told CNN that she is certain the voice in the video belongs to her mother, Jeanette Altimus, who died a few years ago.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html


    So, eh, @Kat and @Halifax2TheMax you still stand by these? 


    Good luck having her deposed. Or taking the witness stand. Jeez lady, how about filing charges with law enforcement? You know, Capitol Police, DC Police, FBI, Virginia or Maryland State Police? Still “prosecuting” her case in the press, why? “For a story she’s been trying to tell since 1993.” 

    Yes, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign. Not a legal case.
    You are sure it is a whisper campaign.

    At the same time to ignorant and uninformed to know that she has reported it to law enforcement.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reade-sexual-assault-allegation-against-biden-remains-open-investigation-says-d-c-police


    Good to know.
    Why did she respect the senator after the alleged rape?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    (CNN)Newly surfaced video from 1993 appears to feature the mother of Tara Reade, a woman who accused presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of sexual assault, calling into a cable TV show to seek advice around the time of the alleged assault.

    In a "Larry King Live" segment that aired on August 11, 1993, on CNN, an unnamed woman calls in to the show with her location identified on the screen as San Luis Obispo, California. The show was about the cutthroat nature of Washington, DC, politics and media.
    "Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
    Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
    "That's true," the caller says.
    The woman does not mention sexual assault or harassment, nor does she describe in any detail what "problems" she might be referring to. Her daughter's name and Biden are also not mentioned.
    In a phone interview with CNN Friday night, Reade told CNN that she is certain the voice in the video belongs to her mother, Jeanette Altimus, who died a few years ago.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html


    So, eh, @Kat and @Halifax2TheMax you still stand by these? 


    Good luck having her deposed. Or taking the witness stand. Jeez lady, how about filing charges with law enforcement? You know, Capitol Police, DC Police, FBI, Virginia or Maryland State Police? Still “prosecuting” her case in the press, why? “For a story she’s been trying to tell since 1993.” 

    Yes, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign. Not a legal case.
    You are sure it is a whisper campaign.

    At the same time to ignorant and uninformed to know that she has reported it to law enforcement.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reade-sexual-assault-allegation-against-biden-remains-open-investigation-says-d-c-police


    Good to know.
    Let me know when Biden is arrested, indicted or compelled to answer a court order. It’ll be good to know.

    Could I walk into a police station in Stockholm or anywhere in Sweden and file a criminal complaint or make an allegation of sexual assault that occurred 8 or 12 or 27 years ago? Hire an attorney and file a civil suit?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    Tara Reade, “I have no intention of filing a civil suit.”

    @Spiritual_Chaos Still don’t think shhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign?
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Richman
    Trump has a shit ton of followers because he's the President. And, yeah, it's for every reason imaginable on the continuum from love to hate. There's really been no compelling reason to follow Biden up until recently. Trump had a big head start, essentially. 
    Do you think it really matters? We know there are a ton of fake Twitter accounts.  And lots if people overseas.  In the primaries we learned first hand that Twitter traffic was no harbinger of voter turnout or even opinions. 
    No, I don't think it matters at all. Just saying that I think he has more social media followers for reasons that have nothing to do with voter intent.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
    When evaluating something as delicate as a sexual assault allegation, why charge in like an oafish cable news pundit and reduce it to "well why was it never used as an oppo hit?"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    Shhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    I have no idea whether the accusation is true or not, but if you want to know how it came to be in the news now, this is the story:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/24/joe-biden-sexual-assault-claim-tara-reade-deserves-to-be-heard-katie-halper
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
    A “story she’s been trying to tell since 1993.” I guess being a heart beat away from the presidency doesn’t concern as actually being the heart beat of the presidency? Shhhhhhhhh, did you hear?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    pjl44 said:
    I have no idea whether the accusation is true or not, but if you want to know how it came to be in the news now, this is the story:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/24/joe-biden-sexual-assault-claim-tara-reade-deserves-to-be-heard-katie-halper
    No link to her “original” podcast? How odd. Couldn’t negotiate a hit rate? Why was the podcast after midnight and picked up by a Pakistani news agency? And, wait for it, I thought she’s been trying to tell her story since 1993? Now it’s only the past year? Also, why is this “commentary” and not straight up reporting worthy of the front page?

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, did you hear?
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    Has Biden himself denied this? And I don't mean some limp "statement from the campaign." Because that seems to be the most obvious defense for his supporters to point to. Instead of relying on the most hackneyed shitbag dudebro tropes that are used whenever a woman speaks out.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
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    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
    When evaluating something as delicate as a sexual assault allegation, why charge in like an oafish cable news pundit and reduce it to "well why was it never used as an oppo hit?"
    Because it never being used is relevant. Because I don't believe the GOP would have missed this, and I absolutely believe they would have used it. Everything about our political history since the Clinton years points to that being true. I understand that truth might be inconvenient for you.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    pjl44 said:
    Has Biden himself denied this? And I don't mean some limp "statement from the campaign." Because that seems to be the most obvious defense for his supporters to point to. Instead of relying on the most hackneyed shitbag dudebro tropes that are used whenever a woman speaks out.
    I guarantee you that Biden would deny this in a court of law. I also guarantee you that he’d deny it in a debate, if asked. Are you suggesting we have a pay for view Reade/Biden stare down?

    Again, there are legal remedies for the violated. Ones she chooses to deny herself. Tara Reade “has no intention of filing a civil suit.” Why?

    Shhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign, did you hear?

    And excuse the fuck out of me, but what evidence are you hanging your hat on to convict Sleepy Woke Joe? “Limp statement from a campaign.” Time for Tara to put up or STFU. Legal remedies abound. GO FOR IT, convince me, prove me wrong, convict Sleepy Woke Joe.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
    When evaluating something as delicate as a sexual assault allegation, why charge in like an oafish cable news pundit and reduce it to "well why was it never used as an oppo hit?"
    Because it never being used is relevant. Because I don't believe the GOP would have missed this, and I absolutely believe they would have used it. Everything about our political history since the Clinton years points to that being true. I understand that truth might be inconvenient for you.


    Hell, evil Hillary, fornicator of birther, would have used this. And don’t fucking forget, Sleepy Woke Joe was a candidate for POTUS in 2008. Not a peep. Not a fucking peep.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

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    pjl44 said:
    That's the strongest corroboration yet.  The CNN wasn't worth anything.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    Biden already did address it directly. 

    Maybe tRUmp wants to bring it up during the debates?
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
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    I believe her.   And guess what...I'm voting for him, anyway.  Why?  Because I learned from Trump and Kavanaugh that people don't actually care about allegations. Ford was called a liar; people conveniently forget about Trump's 16 (?) accusers and call some liars. And now they get to call the left hypocrites?  Really, you didn't start caring about this shit until it was Biden.  There's no way I'm falling into the trap that "they" get to vote for anyone they want and "we" have to be the "bigger" people.  Fuck that. I'm voting for Biden because as a voter, I've been dealt a shitty hand.

    But my gawwwwwd the Dems do know how to fuck up a presidential nomination.  This could take the (slim) hopes of beating Trump off the table.  If we even have elections at all (much less fair ones) for 2024, hopefully the party has figured it out.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
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    OnWis97 said:
    I believe her.   And guess what...I'm voting for him, anyway.  Why?  Because I learned from Trump and Kavanaugh that people don't actually care about allegations. Ford was called a liar; people conveniently forget about Trump's 16 (?) accusers and call some liars. And now they get to call the left hypocrites?  Really, you didn't start caring about this shit until it was Biden.  There's no way I'm falling into the trap that "they" get to vote for anyone they want and "we" have to be the "bigger" people.  Fuck that. I'm voting for Biden because as a voter, I've been dealt a shitty hand.

    But my gawwwwwd the Dems do know how to fuck up a presidential nomination.  This could take the (slim) hopes of beating Trump off the table.  If we even have elections at all (much less fair ones) for 2024, hopefully the party has figured it out.
    I hear you, but I would have a hard time voting for Biden if this is true. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Biden already did address it directly. 
    Where?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Biden already did address it directly. 
    Where?
    Biden denied the allegations through statements by campaign representatives. His deputy campaign manager stated, "Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women. He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard — and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press. What is clear about this claim: It is untrue. This absolutely did not happen."

    Tara Reade is gonna have to address this directly.  
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