I have only listened to it twice since I opened it. Just can’t get myself to give it another whirl for a while. Once I get the cd I’ll listen in the car and I’m sure it’ll grow more on me, but I’m not really blown away by it yet.
Ed feels too far in front and there’s just too much of him to me. Too many words or something, but maybe it’s because I listened while I read every word in the book and damn he just went fucking word crazy.
I love the unique compositions and the music itself but something about it feels like an Ed controlled project to me, and I’ve been hoping for more of everyone else. I just see Ed’s name in there too often perhaps, and I’ll always think of pj as a band, not Ed backed up by a band. I can feel Ed manipulating everyone else- except for Jeff- the whole time.
anyway there’s a lot of weird shit in this one and it’s going to take me a lot more listens. I’ll come around, but OP I totally get what you’re saying, you’re absolutely entitled to speak your mind on here, don’t let them get you down.
Can you post the writers of each song? I can’t see that in digital version, maybe that will explain things for me
I have only listened to it twice since I opened it. Just can’t get myself to give it another whirl for a while. Once I get the cd I’ll listen in the car and I’m sure it’ll grow more on me, but I’m not really blown away by it yet.
Ed feels too far in front and there’s just too much of him to me. Too many words or something, but maybe it’s because I listened while I read every word in the book and damn he just went fucking word crazy.
I love the unique compositions and the music itself but something about it feels like an Ed controlled project to me, and I’ve been hoping for more of everyone else. I just see Ed’s name in there too often perhaps, and I’ll always think of pj as a band, not Ed backed up by a band. I can feel Ed manipulating everyone else- except for Jeff- the whole time.
anyway there’s a lot of weird shit in this one and it’s going to take me a lot more listens. I’ll come around, but OP I totally get what you’re saying, you’re absolutely entitled to speak your mind on here, don’t let them get you down.
Ed’s songs I usually like the least. Where the hell is Stone? That guy is a fantastic song writer.
Yes, where is Stone? I agree with that sentiment exactly. Jeff and Mike definitely have some great moments. Matt is Matt.
IMO, more Stone, give Ed a word limit. I’m waiting for someone to do a word count, by album.
Someone run some analytics on this, let’s get data. Kidding. It’s like that one person we all know in our lives who talks and talks, like they’re getting paid by the word, but when they finally stop talking you forget what the point was.
I have only listened to it twice since I opened it. Just can’t get myself to give it another whirl for a while. Once I get the cd I’ll listen in the car and I’m sure it’ll grow more on me, but I’m not really blown away by it yet.
Ed feels too far in front and there’s just too much of him to me. Too many words or something, but maybe it’s because I listened while I read every word in the book and damn he just went fucking word crazy.
I love the unique compositions and the music itself but something about it feels like an Ed controlled project to me, and I’ve been hoping for more of everyone else. I just see Ed’s name in there too often perhaps, and I’ll always think of pj as a band, not Ed backed up by a band. I can feel Ed manipulating everyone else- except for Jeff- the whole time.
anyway there’s a lot of weird shit in this one and it’s going to take me a lot more listens. I’ll come around, but OP I totally get what you’re saying, you’re absolutely entitled to speak your mind on here, don’t let them get you down.
I completely agree with everything you're saying here. I still love DoTC. I think I was hoping for more of that new direction. To me, that song sounds more collaborative and invigorating. I'm just hoping that after more listens it will grow on me. I'm sure it will. I just haven't been motivated to spin it again. It feels weird even typing this out. Glad most people seem to be happy with it.
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I have only listened to it twice since I opened it. Just can’t get myself to give it another whirl for a while. Once I get the cd I’ll listen in the car and I’m sure it’ll grow more on me, but I’m not really blown away by it yet.
Ed feels too far in front and there’s just too much of him to me. Too many words or something, but maybe it’s because I listened while I read every word in the book and damn he just went fucking word crazy.
I love the unique compositions and the music itself but something about it feels like an Ed controlled project to me, and I’ve been hoping for more of everyone else. I just see Ed’s name in there too often perhaps, and I’ll always think of pj as a band, not Ed backed up by a band. I can feel Ed manipulating everyone else- except for Jeff- the whole time.
anyway there’s a lot of weird shit in this one and it’s going to take me a lot more listens. I’ll come around, but OP I totally get what you’re saying, you’re absolutely entitled to speak your mind on here, don’t let them get you down.
I completely agree with everything you're saying here. I still love DoTC. I think I was hoping for more of that new direction. To me, that song sounds more collaborative and invigorating. I'm just hoping that after more listens it will grow on me. I'm sure it will. I just haven't been motivated to spin it again. It feels weird even typing this out. Glad most people seem to be happy with it.
I agree with what you said about DOTC. That feels like a true collaboration.
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I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
I’m with you. There’s a real lack of musical quality for something over half a decade in the making.
You’ve got balls on you though - enjoy reaping the whirlwind from the least tolerant fan base on earth.
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I feel sorry for you, friend. It's a great album. Don't give up on it.
THIS. it's brilliant - incredibly deep/thoughtful. Feel as if the boys worked their asses off and produced extraordinary work. Seven O'clock is a personal favorite.
Wow really? I think Seven O’clock might be the worse song on the entire album.
I must be missing something because it seems I’m in the minority on not liking this album.
I’m sure with some counseling you’ll come to forgive Pearl Jam.
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I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
Agree with you it’s too bad they keep doing this (last 3 albums so disappointing) I have an old friend since high school that loved PJ as much as I did, beck we even played PJ cover songs in a band and had lots of fun doing that. After Backspacer and bolt he said he was done with PJ and went to U2 instead. He spent 400 bucks on U2 Gen Admin tix right after I know he would have spent that to see PJ but the lackluster albums did it for him - I’m not there yet but getting real close.
Is there a reason why your friend can’t like Pearl Jam and U2 at the same time? Why the need to declare you’re dropping one band and picking up another? Sounds made up.
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I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
No one cares
Says the person hoping the band reads these boards and will call him tonight to read a bedtime story and serve him milk and cookies.
Firstly, you need to add ‘IMO’ to your thread title. People don’t take kindly to opinions being stated as facts round here.
Secondly... you’re very, very wrong!
IMO, of course
LoL. "People don't take kindly." So says the self-declared gatekeeper of PJ message boards. So, so sad. And by the way - you never state "in my opinion" when giving an opinion because it sounds like an apology. You should always state your opinions as facts.
Firstly, you need to add ‘IMO’ to your thread title. People don’t take kindly to opinions being stated as facts round here.
Secondly... you’re very, very wrong!
IMO, of course
LoL. "People don't take kindly." So says the self-declared gatekeeper of PJ message boards. So, so sad. And by the way - you never state "in my opinion" when giving an opinion because it sounds like an apology. You should always state your opinions as facts.
Hah. The OP literally started this post with “I’m sorry...”
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Firstly, you need to add ‘IMO’ to your thread title. People don’t take kindly to opinions being stated as facts round here.
Secondly... you’re very, very wrong!
IMO, of course
And by the way - you never state "in my opinion" when giving an opinion because it sounds like an apology. You should always state your opinions as facts.
I didn’t know Trump was in the 10 Club.
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Firstly, you need to add ‘IMO’ to your thread title. People don’t take kindly to opinions being stated as facts round here.
Secondly... you’re very, very wrong!
IMO, of course
LoL. "People don't take kindly." So says the self-declared gatekeeper of PJ message boards. So, so sad. And by the way - you never state "in my opinion" when giving an opinion because it sounds like an apology. You should always state your opinions as facts.
Dude, with all due respect every single post you are making the past few weeks have been purely argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Do you even have any interest in the music of PJ or do you like paying for a fan club membership to ignore any music and purely just start arguments?
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Firstly, you need to add ‘IMO’ to your thread title. People don’t take kindly to opinions being stated as facts round here.
Secondly... you’re very, very wrong!
IMO, of course
LoL. "People don't take kindly." So says the self-declared gatekeeper of PJ message boards. So, so sad. And by the way - you never state "in my opinion" when giving an opinion because it sounds like an apology. You should always state your opinions as facts.
I don’t understand any of this post. Not sure who the “self-declared gatekeeper” is supposed to be?
Chill, it was a joke.
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Has anyone else noticed that Mike McCready is a genius? He and the rest of the band are insane on this album. Honestly haven't listened to the lyrics. Headphones on and hearing the groove and love this band! I'm going to enjoy what they have laid out for a long time. Can't ask for more. Thank you for your hard work.
STFU and go away 2 different threads trying to prove a point that 90% of the critics and fans absolutely disagree with you on. Mods delete one or both of these identical threads by the same look at me, look at me idiot!
The 2nd thread was a mistake. My phone was messing up and I hit the post discussion button twice thinking it didn’t go through. My deepest apologies!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
Agree with you it’s too bad they keep doing this (last 3 albums so disappointing) I have an old friend since high school that loved PJ as much as I did, beck we even played PJ cover songs in a band and had lots of fun doing that. After Backspacer and bolt he said he was done with PJ and went to U2 instead. He spent 400 bucks on U2 Gen Admin tix right after I know he would have spent that to see PJ but the lackluster albums did it for him - I’m not there yet but getting real close.
So, your friend doesn't like a couple albums in a row and then decides to spend $400 on U2 tickets? That's kinda weird. I was certainly not a huge fan of LB and Backspacer either, but I wouldn't never stop seeing the band live. There are/were 8 other albums worth of music.
Sorry you don't like the album. It has to be frustrating waiting for 7 years and it not living up to your expectations. Hopefully you'll find some stuff you like.
I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
Agree with you it’s too bad they keep doing this (last 3 albums so disappointing) I have an old friend since high school that loved PJ as much as I did, beck we even played PJ cover songs in a band and had lots of fun doing that. After Backspacer and bolt he said he was done with PJ and went to U2 instead. He spent 400 bucks on U2 Gen Admin tix right after I know he would have spent that to see PJ but the lackluster albums did it for him - I’m not there yet but getting real close.
Weird post....gee PJ...you would have got that $400 if you would have put out a better album
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I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
Agree with you it’s too bad they keep doing this (last 3 albums so disappointing) I have an old friend since high school that loved PJ as much as I did, beck we even played PJ cover songs in a band and had lots of fun doing that. After Backspacer and bolt he said he was done with PJ and went to U2 instead. He spent 400 bucks on U2 Gen Admin tix right after I know he would have spent that to see PJ but the lackluster albums did it for him - I’m not there yet but getting real close.
Please do us all a favor and leave.
Lay of the pointless attitude.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
STFU and go away 2 different threads trying to prove a point that 90% of the critics and fans absolutely disagree with you on. Mods delete one or both of these identical threads by the same look at me, look at me idiot!
What is your problem? Cabin fever from social isolation?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I was very excited to to crank this new album on my way home from work yesterday. It started out great with Who Ever Said and I was loving it up thorough Quick Escape then it quickly went downhill. I kept waiting for the next song to bring it back but that didn’t happen. Ive listened to it now multiple times trying to like it but I just don’t. I personally put this as their worse album and it sounds more of an Ed solo album than a full band effort in my opinion.
No one cares
Says the person hoping the band reads these boards and will call him tonight to read a bedtime story and serve him milk and cookies.
What? Great comeback. You really stung me. Guys, we got a troll with some real wit on here. STFU.
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I love the album, it gets a bit long with the slow songs at the end.
comes then goes is meh
retrograde is less than meh
river cross is pretty solid but after the other 2 becomes meh
I completely agree with everything you're saying here. I still love DoTC. I think I was hoping for more of that new direction. To me, that song sounds more collaborative and invigorating. I'm just hoping that after more listens it will grow on me. I'm sure it will. I just haven't been motivated to spin it again. It feels weird even typing this out. Glad most people seem to be happy with it.
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You’ve got balls on you though - enjoy reaping the whirlwind from the least tolerant fan base on earth.
Chill, it was a joke.
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Honestly haven't listened to the lyrics. Headphones on and hearing the groove and love this band! I'm going to enjoy what they have laid out for a long time. Can't ask for more.
Thank you for your hard work.
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Sorry you don't like the album. It has to be frustrating waiting for 7 years and it not living up to your expectations. Hopefully you'll find some stuff you like.
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Always happy to spin it again though. So far.
Think about that for a second.