Question for Republifans

blackhawks

Hankj25 said:

dude, your math is awful. 

College cost is well over $100k. 

But let’s pretend the massive 10% tax (I’ve seen no one propose that amount) is real.  

As long as Trump’s billionaire friends are paying 10% more too (compared to the zero they pay now) I’m all in on this. If we just stopped letting the 1% and corporations evade their annual taxes, we’d probably already have free healthcare. 

Math was aggressive.  Here in AZ tuition for in State is $12k annually.  CA is $10k.    If you want to go out of state that is kind of your thing and then you are around 25-30k.  The pay for college is just for tuition not all the other side expenses.  The parents and child can actually invest in their future a little don’t you think?  I did and paid my own way as did nearly all my friends.  

I don’t mind you questioning my math but saying it is awful shows your ignorance.  Especially when I laid it all out.  I mean, what did you miss?  If you don’t like the theory that is your journey burying your head in the sand.

As a person with no kids, I don’t see a need to pay for someone else’s child’s education other than K-12.  Or for people that are in the trades or who have not gone through college to have to pay for.  At some time a parent or the child needs to nut up.  

jstu39

blackhawks said:

Hankj25 said:

dude, your math is awful. 

College cost is well over $100k. 

But let’s pretend the massive 10% tax (I’ve seen no one propose that amount) is real.  

As long as Trump’s billionaire friends are paying 10% more too (compared to the zero they pay now) I’m all in on this. If we just stopped letting the 1% and corporations evade their annual taxes, we’d probably already have free healthcare. 

Math was aggressive.  Here in AZ tuition for in State is $12k annually.  CA is $10k.    If you want to go out of state that is kind of your thing and then you are around 25-30k.  The pay for college is just for tuition not all the other side expenses.  The parents and child can actually invest in their future a little don’t you think?  I did and paid my own way as did nearly all my friends.  

I don’t mind you questioning my math but saying it is awful shows your ignorance.  Especially when I laid it all out.  I mean, what did you miss?  If you don’t like the theory that is your journey burying your head in the sand.

As a person with no kids, I don’t see a need to pay for someone else’s child’s education other than K-12.  Or for people that are in the trades or who have not gone through college to have to pay for.  At some time a parent or the child needs to nut up.  

College is nowhere near 100k for undergrad unless you go to a private school or out of state. Most community colleges are cheap or free with decent grades and transfer credits to universities. Anyone who takes on a lot of debt should have a direct path to a higher paying job (return on investment) or they were irresponsible. My son recently graduated from a top 25 business school in 3.5 years with a finance degree and a job for under 35k out of pocket after his 21k in scholarships and he worked multiple jobs in school and had 20k in the bank when he graduated. 

riley540

I will make a statement as a fairly low income person currently in college. My school pays me to go to school and then some that I invest into an index fund each semester. Public and private colleges do a great job at helping financially disadvantaged students. In applying to USC next year where tuition will be free for me. I’m also applying to NYU and Chapman where I’d get $30,000 taken off my tuition just for being low income and having good grades. Big expensive private schools only make rich people pay. In most cases, in my research for an undergrad school, private schools have came through with better prices than most out of state “state” schools. 

College isn’t as expensive as I thought before attending 

rgambs

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

MG79478

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

ejk1280 said:

I can’t imagine going through life making decisions on who I am friends with or surround myself with based on their political thoughts or beliefs.  That would be a horrible boring and sad life. 

You should try to understand that this is a privileged position to hold.  Are you insulated from the political decisions that hurt people?

Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be fired/harassed/discriminated agoainst for their sexuality or gender circumstances due to conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be stripped from the life and family they've built in America because of conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is suffering under medical issues that any other country in the first world would cover?  Do you not know anyone who works full-time for a massively profitable company that still can't make ends meet, due to conservative political actions?
"Politics" have real-world consequences for people, if you can't see that, then you should work to make your social circle less homogeneous.

Like ecdanc mentioned earlier, how are you going to sit down to dinner with someone as a dear friend, and then turn around the next day and sit down to dinner with someone who campaigns to keep the former from having the same rights you have?

Lol dude calm down. I can see the veins on your neck about to pop just by reading this post. If you want to preach just head down to the corner and bring a box to stand on, the rest of us are just enjoying your frantic arm waving.

That assessment speaks more to your frame of mind than it does mine.

Nah. Re-read your post.  Shit’s straight up hilarious.  My wife rolled her eyes and threw the phone back at me when she read it.  Calm down bro, you’re going to have a stroke or some shit while the rest of us are enjoying our lives.

+1

rgambs

MG79478 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

ejk1280 said:

I can’t imagine going through life making decisions on who I am friends with or surround myself with based on their political thoughts or beliefs.  That would be a horrible boring and sad life. 

You should try to understand that this is a privileged position to hold.  Are you insulated from the political decisions that hurt people?

Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be fired/harassed/discriminated agoainst for their sexuality or gender circumstances due to conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be stripped from the life and family they've built in America because of conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is suffering under medical issues that any other country in the first world would cover?  Do you not know anyone who works full-time for a massively profitable company that still can't make ends meet, due to conservative political actions?
"Politics" have real-world consequences for people, if you can't see that, then you should work to make your social circle less homogeneous.

Like ecdanc mentioned earlier, how are you going to sit down to dinner with someone as a dear friend, and then turn around the next day and sit down to dinner with someone who campaigns to keep the former from having the same rights you have?

Lol dude calm down. I can see the veins on your neck about to pop just by reading this post. If you want to preach just head down to the corner and bring a box to stand on, the rest of us are just enjoying your frantic arm waving.

That assessment speaks more to your frame of mind than it does mine.

Nah. Re-read your post.  Shit’s straight up hilarious.  My wife rolled her eyes and threw the phone back at me when she read it.  Calm down bro, you’re going to have a stroke or some shit while the rest of us are enjoying our lives.

+1

Not that it's relevant to the topic, or important at all,  but it bears stating again; if you read that as an angry outburst, it speaks more of your mindset than mine.  There was no exclamation, no exhortation, no invective.  It was a series of rational statements and questions.  Angry outbursts don't contain language like "you should work to make your social circle less homogeneous" lol
If it seemed vein-popping and stroke-inducing, then methinks you were triggered pretty hard. 
As a matter of fact, I don't even personally keep to that ideology.  I live in rural Ohio, if I let political or religious views determine my friends, family, and acquaintances, I would be very isolated.  That doesn't mean I can't understand and help explain the reasoning behind someone like ecdanc's actions, because it makes sense.  It's hard to "break bread" with someone who actively campaigns to discriminate against a loved one.  That shouldn't be hard to understand.

given2fly23

rearviewmirror33 said:

We live in America and we all have the right to like or back anyone you wish. But at the same time we all have the right to not like someone as well,  to me it speaks to who you are as a person to like Trump. I'm 48yrs old and prior to the last election I always voted but if the person I voted for didn't win I did lose sleep over it. I've also voted for both Democrats and Republicans and never thought twice about it. Personally I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life.  I have LOVED PJ since the beginning and if Eddie came out saying he liked Trump I would never spend another dollar on them again. 

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jstu39

rgambs said:

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

I don’t have a masters so I will open with that but part of the decision to pursue one should be cost vs return on investment. Yes they cost more but my rather naive assumption was the careers one could get and salaries one could make with a masters were much more lucrative. Otherwise is doesn’t make sense to seek a masters. I do have some experience working in higher ed and I don’t think schools do a good job at sitting down with students before they take out loans and explaining the payback process with their realistic salary after living expenses... Now schools probably won’t do this as it might lead fewer people to enroll, which makes them more obsolete. 

blackhawks

rgambs said:

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

Well, I am not a boomer but an X.  my niece went through vet school but had undergrad through scholarships.  She had loans for the vet part.  We tried to talk her out of it because of the debt but it was what she wanted.  She is happy and doing fine but paying debt down as fast as she can.  Same as I did.  I was ‘poor’ with roommates for a few years after college just to get by.  It is what we all did.  But I also had worked and saved for 2 years of college and went to a junior college for 2 years.  So I was in good shape but I was always afraid of debt.  To this day I am.  

The issue is how the universities are run.  That is more the issue and the escalating tuition.  Let’s agree to get the antiquated way colleges are run removed and how there are so many professors doing nothing and are impossible to let go.  Make the colleges efficient instead of a retirement program for many professors at age 35.  

Vedd Hedd

blackhawks said:

myoung321 said:

blackhawks said:

myoung321 said:

blackhawks said:

myoung321 said:

blackhawks said:

I don’t want to pay for everyone else’s healthcare.  That is trillions.  Just like college which is trillions. It is insanity that will cripple the country.  Doesn’t mean I don’t have a heart....just steeped in reality.

But you're okay spending trillions on keeping Military Bases open all over the world trying to maintain old Colonial thinking that history shows never works? While we drop down the list in the world in Healthcare and Education? If our priority isn't the well being and eduction our citizens then what's the point?

Please copy and paste the post where I said any of the above you posted.  There will be crickets because I didn’t.  This is the problem today.  If someone doesn’t agree with them, the other person assumes the worst and posts some garbage like above which is a blatant lie.  Try to be better than that.  If you can’t you are part of the problem I posted on the first or second page of this thread.  

Those are great Dem talking points.  Spend more money on things and the problems magically disappear.  It has worked splendidly for homelessness for instance.  Tell me how the government spending more trillions on your passion projects will automatically improve the items you mentioned.  Because it is all hypothesis what you would state.  There is zero basis saying spending that Government money would make our healthcare and education better.

Dem talking points?  They are basic human needs..!!!

Education and Healthcare are "passion" problems?  haha wow...

"Zero basis saying that Govt spending helps"?

You do know there was a time in this country when the same was said about the public school (K-12)? Conservatives opposed it... "Why should we pay for poor kids to go to school?"

How about Social Security, Medicare, the Minimum wage and child labor laws, the 8-hour work day, weekends, and sick leave, the Clean Air and Water Act, GI Bill, etc etc...

Addressing these "Passion" problems helped our country! 

 

Hey, I don’t see the quote where you stated I supported /said those items.  Start with that or apologize then we can discuss.  

Can you post the link on the quote about poor kids please?  Couldn’t find it on the Internet.

I agree with all those items.  Just didn’t see any huge spending to make any of them happen.  It was legislation not spending.  So I am all for that.  

I did... you ignored it...

You either want to help fellow citizens strive for more or you don't care.. I tend to care about others.. I would rather shutdown some 80+ year old outdated military base or maybe 1 less Aircraft Carrier and pay for more Americans to go to college. We don't need WWII type crap in the Modern world. No one is going to storm the beaches of New Jersey or Texas... We need to stop wasting resources spending money on BS making more Defense Corporations richer and we get poorer as a nation. All Empires fall.. are we going to as well, unless we get smart,  history will repeat! Ask the Romans, English, Spanish...etc..etc..etc......   Empires don't last.. 

So, squirt out a kid and bingo....’free’ college!  What a joke.  How free?  Let’s see:

Lets say Sparky gets out of college at 22yo.  Free and clear.  And by age 30 is making 100k (for simplicity purposes).  To pay for all this college a minimum tax increase would be 10% (realistically closer to 20%).  So for the next 30 years of Sparky’s work life he is paying $300k in taxes for that $100k education.   Not including COL increases,bonuses,etc.  So realistically from age 22 Sparky is paying for 4-5 college educations for his one.  Let alone taxing people who did not go to college and are in the trades.  How fair is that?!?!  College students wanting this.... I would question the value of their education if they cannot figure this out.  Let alone the burden on the economy.  

There is definitely a problem with the cost of college.  It has far exceeded inflation and is burdened with salaries of hangars on and do nothings.  It needs to be fixed internally and soon.  And we are on the same page with having military bases not on US land.  

I think the idea here is that my taxes would be paying for my kid to go to college.  Nothing is free.  I am in favor of this. 

Public college and trades should be "public school" like high school.   You want to go to Harvard? Notre Dame? Villanova?  Fine, those are private institutions and you can pay tuition to go there.  

Public college (State directional schools and such)....should be just that.  Public.   It should not cost 200K to send a kid to a "Western Illinois University" for 4 years.   And making this public would bring some of that cost down.  

And that doesnt mean 4 years of "everything is free".   It just means accessible.  You can still pay book fees, lab fees, food, etc.  Dorm living should be covered.  Off campus living should not.  

Investing in our own citizens to be ready for the workplace will help the US be sustainable without needing to offshore work or bring in people who are qualified.  

And this way, future job placement can help guide students into workstreams that will see job openings. 

Vedd Hedd

Also, imo....people entering trades should get the same type of well-rounded education that a typical 4 year education provides, too. 

At some point...people got tired of "core classes" because "this isnt what I am here for"...when in reality....yes it is.   You SHOULD be there to learn more about the world, other fields, other ideas and bigger things than just your chosen workstream.  

An educated population is a population that has a better understanding of our world, the needs of the world, and our own country. 

Just because a person is going to become a carpenter, doesnt mean they shouldnt get an education in history, science, art, etc. 

HughFreakingDillon

I fully expect ed to get some boos, or at the very least, no reaction at all, when he starts talking about the virtues trudeau in ottawa. 

given2fly23

Vedd Hedd said:

An educated population is a population that has a better understanding of our world, the needs of the world, and our own country. 

Just because a person is going to become a carpenter, doesnt mean they shouldnt get an education in history, science, art, etc.

Absolutely agree, but that kind of well-rounded education is a luxury. It shouldn't be, but it is. The part that's missing in our education is a greater emphasis on things that matter in day to day life--grammar (just read any thread on this board), basic math and most importantly, finances!

Getting back to the college discussion for a second, the whole "Why should I pay for your kid's college?" is so narrow and short-sighted. The gap between the haves and have-nots has become so expansive, and I don't mean the 1% that Bernie talks about, I mean professionals and working class. Not everybody has parents that can help out with college. A helping hand to them helps us all because just like @Vedd Hedd said, an educated population is crucial. This "us vs. them" battle within the middle and lower classes is the greatest victory for the elite.

NewJPage

blackhawks said:

rgambs said:

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

Well, I am not a boomer but an X.  my niece went through vet school but had undergrad through scholarships.  She had loans for the vet part.  We tried to talk her out of it because of the debt but it was what she wanted.  She is happy and doing fine but paying debt down as fast as she can.  Same as I did.  I was ‘poor’ with roommates for a few years after college just to get by.  It is what we all did.  But I also had worked and saved for 2 years of college and went to a junior college for 2 years.  So I was in good shape but I was always afraid of debt.  To this day I am.  

The issue is how the universities are run.  That is more the issue and the escalating tuition.  Let’s agree to get the antiquated way colleges are run removed and how there are so many professors doing nothing and are impossible to let go.  Make the colleges efficient instead of a retirement program for many professors at age 35.  

"So many professors"? You obviously are not up to date on higher education. The issue is too FEW professors, with schools instead relying more and more on adjunct labor. This robs students of the education they deserve and employees of fair wage and benefits. 

If universities were actually run in an "antiquated way," they would be funded by the government adequately so that tuition was very low (or ZERO in some states) and they could support full time faculty to engage in both teaching the next generation and conducting valuable research. This is how it used to be.

Gern Blansten

given2fly23 said:

Vedd Hedd said:

An educated population is a population that has a better understanding of our world, the needs of the world, and our own country. 

Just because a person is going to become a carpenter, doesnt mean they shouldnt get an education in history, science, art, etc.

Absolutely agree, but that kind of well-rounded education is a luxury. It shouldn't be, but it is. The part that's missing in our education is a greater emphasis on things that matter in day to day life--grammar (just read any thread on this board), basic math and most importantly, finances!

Getting back to the college discussion for a second, the whole "Why should I pay for your kid's college?" is so narrow and short-sighted. The gap between the haves and have-nots has become so expansive, and I don't mean the 1% that Bernie talks about, I mean professionals and working class. Not everybody has parents that can help out with college. A helping hand to them helps us all because just like @Vedd Hedd said, an educated population is crucial. This "us vs. them" battle within the middle and lower classes is the greatest victory for the elite.

agreed....a decent society recognizes that it benefits from an educated public and it does something about it.  Our system has been turned into a profit making empire and the students suffer.

JimmyV

I am surprised this thread is both still open and on the Porch. 

blackhawks

NewJPage said:

blackhawks said:

rgambs said:

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

Well, I am not a boomer but an X.  my niece went through vet school but had undergrad through scholarships.  She had loans for the vet part.  We tried to talk her out of it because of the debt but it was what she wanted.  She is happy and doing fine but paying debt down as fast as she can.  Same as I did.  I was ‘poor’ with roommates for a few years after college just to get by.  It is what we all did.  But I also had worked and saved for 2 years of college and went to a junior college for 2 years.  So I was in good shape but I was always afraid of debt.  To this day I am.  

The issue is how the universities are run.  That is more the issue and the escalating tuition.  Let’s agree to get the antiquated way colleges are run removed and how there are so many professors doing nothing and are impossible to let go.  Make the colleges efficient instead of a retirement program for many professors at age 35.  

"So many professors"? You obviously are not up to date on higher education. The issue is too FEW professors, with schools instead relying more and more on adjunct labor. This robs students of the education they deserve and employees of fair wage and benefits. 

If universities were actually run in an "antiquated way," they would be funded by the government adequately so that tuition was very low (or ZERO in some states) and they could support full time faculty to engage in both teaching the next generation and conducting valuable research. This is how it used to be.

My brother and his wife were both professors at a big 10 school.  They filled me in on how it works in the university where they worked.  For instance, though a prof., he never taught a class.  He was to court and present to companies in order to get contracts for research for the U.  He had others teach for him.  Which sounds about right as I rarely saw a prof. Until I was a junior.

And the complaint of older profs just collecting a check as long as they shot a research paper out every couple years which were done by his/her underling was a sore point.  Hence why they both went the private route eventually.  

Veddernarian

JimmyV said:

I am surprised this thread is both still open and on the Porch. 

I know, right????????

NewJPage

blackhawks said:

NewJPage said:

blackhawks said:

rgambs said:

The talk is usually all about undergrad, but grad/professional school is a bigger problem.
In another 10-20 years finding a lawyer, doctor, dentist, optometrist, CPA, etc is going to be difficult, and rates are going to be astronomical.
The math is difficult.
150k for post grad education alone, 5+% interest rate, starting income at 60-70k for 50hrs a week, boomer professionals trying to sell practices that haven't been updated physically or technologically since the 80's for 500k, add a personal and business mortgage and... Why even bother going to med/law/optom/dental school if it requires starting professional life with 750k debt that you have to work like a schmoe to pay off by your 50's?

My wife has paid 100k on a 130k loan and still owes 110k...and a bunch of spoiled boomers who paid 40k on 30k loans on the SAME salary (thanks to their parents hard work and the post war economy) run around whining about not wanting to pay for millennials "who don't want to work".

It's ridiculous, and it doesn't bode well for the future of our country.

Well, I am not a boomer but an X.  my niece went through vet school but had undergrad through scholarships.  She had loans for the vet part.  We tried to talk her out of it because of the debt but it was what she wanted.  She is happy and doing fine but paying debt down as fast as she can.  Same as I did.  I was ‘poor’ with roommates for a few years after college just to get by.  It is what we all did.  But I also had worked and saved for 2 years of college and went to a junior college for 2 years.  So I was in good shape but I was always afraid of debt.  To this day I am.  

The issue is how the universities are run.  That is more the issue and the escalating tuition.  Let’s agree to get the antiquated way colleges are run removed and how there are so many professors doing nothing and are impossible to let go.  Make the colleges efficient instead of a retirement program for many professors at age 35.  

"So many professors"? You obviously are not up to date on higher education. The issue is too FEW professors, with schools instead relying more and more on adjunct labor. This robs students of the education they deserve and employees of fair wage and benefits. 

If universities were actually run in an "antiquated way," they would be funded by the government adequately so that tuition was very low (or ZERO in some states) and they could support full time faculty to engage in both teaching the next generation and conducting valuable research. This is how it used to be.

My brother and his wife were both professors at a big 10 school.  They filled me in on how it works in the university where they worked.  For instance, though a prof., he never taught a class.  He was to court and present to companies in order to get contracts for research for the U.  He had others teach for him.  Which sounds about right as I rarely saw a prof. Until I was a junior.

And the complaint of older profs just collecting a check as long as they shot a research paper out every couple years which were done by his/her underling was a sore point.  Hence why they both went the private route eventually.  

Profs do things other than teach on university campus. Some work in administration or outreach positions. If they do that they teach less or not at all. They don't "have others teach for them." They simply don't teach when they have those positions. If your brother wanted to focus on teaching he shouldn't have applied for a different job on campus. Take it from someone who currently works on one. 

And if you didn't see a professor until you were a junior you were either being instructed by adjunct faculty (which is a scam on both the students and the instructor) or by a GA. I find it hard to believe that you had no profs in your first 2 years though. Even at underfunded schools or private universities where they are especially crap toward faculty, they still have profs teach 1st and 2nd year students.

MG79478

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I can’t imagine going through life making decisions on who I am friends with or surround myself with based on their political thoughts or beliefs.  That would be a horrible boring and sad life. 

You should try to understand that this is a privileged position to hold.  Are you insulated from the political decisions that hurt people?

Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be fired/harassed/discriminated agoainst for their sexuality or gender circumstances due to conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is legally liable to be stripped from the life and family they've built in America because of conservative political actions?  Do you not know anyone who is suffering under medical issues that any other country in the first world would cover?  Do you not know anyone who works full-time for a massively profitable company that still can't make ends meet, due to conservative political actions?
"Politics" have real-world consequences for people, if you can't see that, then you should work to make your social circle less homogeneous.

Like ecdanc mentioned earlier, how are you going to sit down to dinner with someone as a dear friend, and then turn around the next day and sit down to dinner with someone who campaigns to keep the former from having the same rights you have?

Lol dude calm down. I can see the veins on your neck about to pop just by reading this post. If you want to preach just head down to the corner and bring a box to stand on, the rest of us are just enjoying your frantic arm waving.

That assessment speaks more to your frame of mind than it does mine.

Nah. Re-read your post.  Shit’s straight up hilarious.  My wife rolled her eyes and threw the phone back at me when she read it.  Calm down bro, you’re going to have a stroke or some shit while the rest of us are enjoying our lives.

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Not that it's relevant to the topic, or important at all,  but it bears stating again; if you read that as an angry outburst, it speaks more of your mindset than mine.  There was no exclamation, no exhortation, no invective.  It was a series of rational statements and questions.  Angry outbursts don't contain language like "you should work to make your social circle less homogeneous" lol
If it seemed vein-popping and stroke-inducing, then methinks you were triggered pretty hard. 
As a matter of fact, I don't even personally keep to that ideology.  I live in rural Ohio, if I let political or religious views determine my friends, family, and acquaintances, I would be very isolated.  That doesn't mean I can't understand and help explain the reasoning behind someone like ecdanc's actions, because it makes sense.  It's hard to "break bread" with someone who actively campaigns to discriminate against a loved one.  That shouldn't be hard to understand.

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