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CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

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    YAKIMATSU said:
    "Hoax". 
    ... How can we be confident that this will be handled in an organized and safe manner?
    Sadly, we can't. And we shouldn't expect that it will be.
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    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


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    CahootsCahoots Posts: 140
    Just saw that Saudi Arabia has stopped international travel to Mecca.  Even God's concerts are getting canceled
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    gotthebottlegotthebottle San Diego Posts: 2,506
    YAKIMATSU said:
    "Hoax". 
    This is why we are in a much worse position than we ever should be. Testing is what other countries are doing, London has a drive thru test site, not the US.  Questioning why we have so few tests for a pandemic, but we have a space force and are increasing  nukes is legitimate.  Priorities and logic are currently fucked and true knowledge is ridiculed. How can we be confident that this will be handled in an organized and safe manner?
    Not until we get new smarter leadership
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
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    CahootsCahoots Posts: 140
    How many people won't go to doctor because they don't want /can't afford to pay?  I think thats the number one worry
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    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Positive... positive, positive!
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,304
    The issue today is that we have the ability to prevent transmission.  The influenza flu pandemic 1918 killed an estimated 50+ million people world wide.  A few reasons this was so widespread was because of lack of knowledge.  People in Chicago had more knowledge of the sickness than say people in Philadelphia.  So there was no panic in Philadelphia when they threw a huge parade.  A large group of people, in close contact, during a pandemic.  Look up the numbers for Philly during that time.  News didn't travel so fast back then.  Obviously today, prevention efforts and knowledge is readily available.  It would be wise to use those tools.  
    We still have a similar situation. The difference now is that knowledge about the sickness is not dictated by location but by whether you listen to scientists or the president. 
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    aurelgugusaurelgugus France & Luxembourg Posts: 499
    ...so, Switzerland has imposed a ban on public events that gather more than 1,000 people together in the same place until at least March 15 in response to the coronavirus threat.

    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/coronavirus_switzerland-bans-events-with-more-than-1-000-people/45585378

    Hopefully all will be under control by summer :-/


    They likely won't be the last, unfortunately... :(  


    Same thing in France for indoor event with more than 5,000
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    chiwhitesoxchiwhitesox Chicago Posts: 696
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 

    ...cause the dudes a Debbie Downer who spreads fear just like the media is doing. Wash your hands. Stay healthy. Don't worry about what may or may not happen. Jesus.

    BTW...this guy said it was like the common cold...


    Chillax people and maybe end this pointless thread once and for all.

    Later.


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    KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 916
    Cahoots said:
    How many people won't go to doctor because they don't want /can't afford to pay?  I think thats the number one worry
    My wife works in healthcare, trust me, people who can't or don't pay make up a large portion of people walking into hospital. I don't think that will be an main factor in any disease spread. 
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,631
    edited February 2020
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 

    ...cause the dudes a Debbie Downer who spreads fear just like the media is doing. Wash your hands. Stay healthy. Don't worry about what may or may not happen. Jesus.

    BTW...this guy said it was like the common cold...


    Chillax people and maybe end this pointless thread once and for all.

    Later.


    Pointless thread?  This is the most ignorant statement in this whole thread.   They are canceling conferences in the US,  larger events in Europe, etc... it is not unreasonable to think that the PJ tour could be impacted.  

    Did you read the quote about the doctor who was one of the whistleblowers in China about it?   No, because he died from it.  Get out of here with that article like one guy’s experience matters.

    Sorry, this isn’t  going to kill millions but it is still something that has already disrupted the world so saying the thread is pointless is just silly.


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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,019
    edited February 2020
    So does this mean the zurich show is canceled?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    mcgruff10 said:
    So does this mean the zurich show is canceled?
    The cancelations go until Mar 15th and can move again if needed. March 15 until July 17th is 124 days. Over 1/3 of a year. Plenty can happen for better or worse in that timespan. 
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    edited February 2020
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
    Everybody knows the quarantine is part of the reason the numbers are swinging. You are not informing anyone on that matter. I am just saying it is positive news as it is and you need to comeback with a ya but. You have no clue if after they reopen their doors that its going to take off again. You are speculating on the matter and time will tell if you are right or wrong. That is no way a fact. Also you are not bugging me or educating me. We all have this information a click away if we want it. Some of us look at the news differently and thats ok. Be prepared, be positive and hope the shows go on and more importantly this virus is stopped.
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 

    ...cause the dudes a Debbie Downer who spreads fear just like the media is doing. Wash your hands. Stay healthy. Don't worry about what may or may not happen. Jesus.

    BTW...this guy said it was like the common cold...


    Chillax people and maybe end this pointless thread once and for all.

    Later.


    Pointless thread?  This is the most ignorant statement in this whole thread.   They are canceling conferences in the US,  larger events in Europe, etc... it is not unreasonable to think that the PJ tour could be impacted.  

    Did you read the quote about the doctor who was one of the whistleblowers in China about it?   No, because he died from it.  Get out of here with that article like one guy’s experience matters.

    Sorry, this isn’t  going to kill millions but it is still something that has already disrupted the world so saying the thread is pointless is just silly.


    I think the impact on the tour is inevitable in one way or another at this point. Whether it be a full cancelation or city/state/province shutdown is what I would be curious to see.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,382
    I would assume the US/Canada border would be one of the last to close.. but I guess other things could cause the shows to get cancelled.   I'm not to worried about contracting the virus.  It seems to have a pretty low mortality rate for people under 60 in good health.
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    mattsavardmattsavard Posts: 518
    edited February 2020
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    So does this mean the zurich show is canceled?
    The cancelations go until Mar 15th and can move again if needed. March 15 until July 17th is 124 days. Over 1/3 of a year. Plenty can happen for better or worse in that timespan. 
    Yep! Totally good reason to stay optimistic that things get sorted before then 👍🏼
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    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
    Everybody knows the quarantine is part of the reason the numbers are swinging. You are not informing anyone on that matter. I am just saying it is positive news as it is and you need to comeback with a ya but. You have no clue if after they reopen their doors that its going to take off again. You are speculating on the matter and time will tell if you are right or wrong. That is no way a fact. Also you are not bugging me or educating me. We all have this information a click away if we want it. Some of us look at the news differently and thats ok. Be prepared, be positive and hope the shows go on and more importantly this virus is stopped.
    Fair enough. You are on top of this. 

    However we still have folks in here saying "no big deal" and "just a cold" so thinking everyone is on top of this as us, or is as aware of pandemic patterns is maybe a leap of faith :) 
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,382
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
    Everybody knows the quarantine is part of the reason the numbers are swinging. You are not informing anyone on that matter. I am just saying it is positive news as it is and you need to comeback with a ya but. You have no clue if after they reopen their doors that its going to take off again. You are speculating on the matter and time will tell if you are right or wrong. That is no way a fact. Also you are not bugging me or educating me. We all have this information a click away if we want it. Some of us look at the news differently and thats ok. Be prepared, be positive and hope the shows go on and more importantly this virus is stopped.
    Fair enough. You are on top of this. 

    However we still have folks in here saying "no big deal" and "just a cold" so thinking everyone is on top of this as us, or is as aware of pandemic patterns is maybe a leap of faith :) 

    Pandemic means it's pretty contagious, but not necessarily related to how bad the actual virus is?   From what I've read it seems in young healthly people (under 60) the mortality rate isn't much different than other stuff that already circulates.    For people over 60, especially ones with other health problems, it's higher.    To me it feels like the danger is more in how courageous this might be, rather than how lethal the virus is?
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    edited February 2020
    Zod said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
    Everybody knows the quarantine is part of the reason the numbers are swinging. You are not informing anyone on that matter. I am just saying it is positive news as it is and you need to comeback with a ya but. You have no clue if after they reopen their doors that its going to take off again. You are speculating on the matter and time will tell if you are right or wrong. That is no way a fact. Also you are not bugging me or educating me. We all have this information a click away if we want it. Some of us look at the news differently and thats ok. Be prepared, be positive and hope the shows go on and more importantly this virus is stopped.
    Fair enough. You are on top of this. 

    However we still have folks in here saying "no big deal" and "just a cold" so thinking everyone is on top of this as us, or is as aware of pandemic patterns is maybe a leap of faith :) 

    Pandemic means it's pretty contagious, but not necessarily related to how bad the actual virus is?   From what I've read it seems in young healthly people (under 60) the mortality rate isn't much different than other stuff that already circulates.    For people over 60, especially ones with other health problems, it's higher.    To me it feels like the danger is more in how courageous this might be, rather than how lethal the virus is?
    I think you are on an island so you may not know but has BC changed anything since now there is 8 confirmed there? As far as I can tell in Canada they keep saying very low risk and just be aware.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,382
    PJNB said:
    Zod said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    PJNB said:
    In positive news if China's numbers are correct their numbers have started to swing the other way. Hopefully South Korea and Italy can get there as well and China remains on this course. Long term this is the news we want to be hearing. 


    The problem is China's numbers are only plateauing because of quarantine. As soon as they open the doors and people start mingling it will likely spread again. 

    Or as soon as someone travels to/from a country that hasn't killed it and the process starts all over again. Once a virus has gone pandemic it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. 


    Why can't you just say that its positive news and promising instead of always putting a negative spin on things? If the numbers go up its bad. If the numbers go down its temporary. Lose lose on all accounts. There is no problem with China's numbers going down. That is a positive. Take it as a win for now quarantine or not. 
    Being a realist and stating facts isn't a bad thing. I'm a very positive guy. I'm still planning on heading to Canada. That sad it's important to be realistic. 

    Yes it is awesome that China has slowed the virus way down by locking everyone in their homes. Unfortunately that's not sustainable long term. 

    I think it's as important to understand why something is happening. Sincerely sorry if that bugs ya, but that needed clarification for those who didn't understand the why. 
    Everybody knows the quarantine is part of the reason the numbers are swinging. You are not informing anyone on that matter. I am just saying it is positive news as it is and you need to comeback with a ya but. You have no clue if after they reopen their doors that its going to take off again. You are speculating on the matter and time will tell if you are right or wrong. That is no way a fact. Also you are not bugging me or educating me. We all have this information a click away if we want it. Some of us look at the news differently and thats ok. Be prepared, be positive and hope the shows go on and more importantly this virus is stopped.
    Fair enough. You are on top of this. 

    However we still have folks in here saying "no big deal" and "just a cold" so thinking everyone is on top of this as us, or is as aware of pandemic patterns is maybe a leap of faith :) 

    Pandemic means it's pretty contagious, but not necessarily related to how bad the actual virus is?   From what I've read it seems in young healthly people (under 60) the mortality rate isn't much different than other stuff that already circulates.    For people over 60, especially ones with other health problems, it's higher.    To me it feels like the danger is more in how courageous this might be, rather than how lethal the virus is?
    I think you are on an island so you may not know but has BC changed anything since now there is 8 confirmed there? As far as I can tell in Canada they keep saying very low risk and just be aware.

    Not really.  I read about the recent case and the person had already put themselves in self isolation because of contact with another person.    No one seems to be to worried about it here.

    On the other hand it could just be me.  I figure if I get it, it'll run its course, and life goes on....
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    YAKIMATSUYAKIMATSU Santa Fe Posts: 675
    By thinking we're infallible, we're only tempting fate instead. 
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    Have tickets for 11 Pearl Jam shows and 4 RATM shows. This is really discouraging. 
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    PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,624
    They would gave to cancel all MLB baseball games and NBA Playoff games before PJ shows.
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    YAKIMATSUYAKIMATSU Santa Fe Posts: 675
    They would gave to cancel all MLB baseball games and NBA Playoff games before PJ shows.
    Ok. And......
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    O_G_DO_G_D Toronto Posts: 542
    Like it or not even The Olympics are in a very real danger of being cancelled because of this.  That being said I’m pretty certain that some of these Pearl Jam Europe shows (primarily) at the moment may become in Jeopardy as well; particularly the Italy show.  The next couple of months will tell the tale for those shows.  Anyone attending any of these shows should certainly be cognizant of this being a very real possibility.  I sincerely hope that no shows get cancelled but I’d be feeling very nervous about it if I had tickets to any of those shows especially The Europe shows.  Things would have to get super bad and super fast for any March shows to be cancelled.
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,029
    O_G_D said:
    Like it or not even The Olympics are in a very real danger of being cancelled because of this.  That being said I’m pretty certain that some of these Pearl Jam Europe shows (primarily) at the moment may become in Jeopardy as well; particularly the Italy show.  The next couple of months will tell the tale for those shows.  Anyone attending any of these shows should certainly be cognizant of this being a very real possibility.  I sincerely hope that no shows get cancelled but I’d be feeling very nervous about it if I had tickets to any of those shows especially The Europe shows.  Things would have to get super bad and super fast for any March shows to be cancelled.
    While I hope you are right with the March shows I feel the complete opposite with what shows are in jeopardy. This graph says it all for me and shows how quick this could go sideways in NA. 


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