CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

TinaE

23scidoo said:

I wasn't worry about the virus too much but i have plan a trip to Italy in May and after the latest news from our neighbours, now starts to worry a little bit..

I'm also worried, we planned a trip to northern Italy in July ...

bootlegger10

Deadman said:

bbiggs said:

I look at it like this.  If the virus becomes that significant of a problem, we have much bigger things to worry about than attending a rock concert. 

And the winner of most intelligent and best post is...

Isn't this the point of the thread though?   Do we think coronavirus will impact the tour?   It would impact the tour if it were to become a big issue in the US and then in Europe as well for the summer. 

raindog80

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CM189191

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown below does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

AGE	DEATH RATE*
80+ years old	14.8%
70-79 years old	8.0%
60-69 years old	3.6%
50-59 years old	1.3%
40-49 years old	0.4%
30-39 years old	0.2%
20-29 years old	0.2%
10-19 years old	0.2%
0-9 years old	no fatalities

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

...think I'll skip the Rolling Stones concert this year...

jimjam1982

I still cant believe people are worried about this. It's literally the same noise as Ebola, west Nile, swine flu, sar. It's going to have zero effect on a US/NA tour. 

lastexitlondon

jimjam1982 said:

I still cant believe people are worried about this. It's literally the same noise as Ebola, west Nile, swine flu, sar. It's going to have zero effect on a US/NA tour. 

Thats a narrow minded take on it

lastexitlondon

It already has an impact on europe thus it could have a real possibility  of disrupting this part of the spring tour. Italy is locking down places so yeah it is a real risk of being relavant  . Although you are only interested in .N.A leg

False_Belief

jimjam1982 said:

I still cant believe people are worried about this. It's literally the same noise as Ebola, west Nile, swine flu, sar. It's going to have zero effect on a US/NA tour. 

Except in Europe there's already been at least one example of a mid sized band pulling a show on the advice of public health authorities, so..............

I work in public health and one of the 4 or 5 bullet points we've been repeating ad nauseum is 'avoid mass gatherings'. 

jimjam1982

lastexitlondon said:

jimjam1982 said:

I still cant believe people are worried about this. It's literally the same noise as Ebola, west Nile, swine flu, sar. It's going to have zero effect on a US/NA tour. 

Thats a narrow minded take on it

There was 1 case in phoenix, az. I spent over 3 weeks in the hospital visiting family. The hospital was full of thousands of hypochondriacs thinking they had Corona virus. The nurses and doctors would just chuckle. They had zero concern. There were no additional outbreaks.

It really isnt half as dangerous as the who and media would have you believe. All of the vietnamese outbreak patients were cured. 

Those who die are generally elderly, already sick with other issues, or really young. Just like every other disease. Any and all data from china is probably heavily skewed and inaccurate so you have to disregard it. 

You can call it narrow minded, that's your right. But I will tell you it 100% will not affect the US or Canada. There is a better chance of lightning strikes, power outages, and snow storms affecting the shows.

lastexitlondon

Football is being cancelled in italy. Think  about that. Football-Italy.  Its a religion there.

lastexitlondon

Pheonix is not the  euro part of spring tour.  1 case is not person to person like europe now.

raindog80

Coronavirus is like a flu, nothing more. Everybody calm down, especially here in Italy. 

jimjam1982

I'm only referencing the spring US and Canada legs. Europe in the summer is a different situation. 

raindog80

jimjam1982 said:

I'm only referencing the spring US and Canada legs. Europe in the summer is a different situation. 

Don't think so. 

JPPJ84

Rob, this thread was written for the (NA) spring tour. Europe is the summer tour.

I'm worried reading the news, yes. But I try not to stress out about it. It may (hopefully) be like the flu, it may be(come) worse. Who knows. I do think it's important to be alert and not underestimate it. Panicking isn't helpful though. I just hope no tour, neither spring nor summer, will be affected. Fingers crossed!

raindog80

JPPJ84 said:

Panicking isn't helpful though. 

This. Fingers crossed. 

PJNB

raindog80

PJNB said:

This.

YAKIMATSU

The numbers in Italy are growing very fast. 

mattsavard

Some quotes from the CDC today: 

"Disruption to everyday life might be severe," says Dr. Nancy Messonnier. She said she told her children this morning, "While I didn't think they were at risk right now, we as a family ought to be preparing for significant disruption to our lives.”

 "The data over the last week and the spread in other countries has certainly raised our level of concern and certainly raised our level of expectation that we are going to have community spread here."  
Outlook for coronavirus in the U.S.: CDC is "preparing as if we are going to see community spread in the near term," says Dr. Messonnier on media call. 
U.S. CDC: "We can have community spread in the United States and have it be reasonably mild, we can have community spread in the U.S. and have it be very severe. So that's what we don't completely know yet." 
U.S. CDC: "We're asking folks in every sector, as well as people within their families, to start planning for this, because as we've seen from the recent countries that have had community spread, when it hit in those countries, it has moved quite rapidly." 
Audio of the briefing = https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0225-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19-update.mp3

So now the CDC is expecting community spread In North America, and preparing for it near term. They're telling people to begin preparing for this, and to be ready for possibility of significant disruption to their lives. 

I'm not saying any shows will definitely cancelled, however IF community spread gets fairly widespread as the CDC is now preparing for, we absolutely will see cancelation of events involving mass gatherings in affected communities. IF THAT HAPPENS, There is a good chance that will include PJ shows. 

Fingers crossed things slow down over in Europe, and our excellent medical systems in North America are able to keep spread to a minimum.... It's been a long time since I've been this excited for a run of shows, and have thousands tied up in travel/show expenses. 

raindog80

JPPJ84 said:

Panicking isn't helpful though. 

Once again, panicking isn't helpful though. 

Falling Down

I don't think people are panicking here; simply raising legitimate questions. When you see Italian cities on lockdown, it is worth asking whether or not Imola could get cancelled if things don't improve. Bands won't want to wait last minute to decide if they should change their spring/summer plans. 

mattsavard

raindog80 said:

JPPJ84 said:

Panicking isn't helpful though. 

Once again, panicking isn't helpful though. 

Educated discussion of events that have a small but increasing likelyhood of impacting concerts that some of us have invested thousands of dollars into isn't "panicking"... no matter how many times you parrot your mantra. 

Managing And mitigating risk is part of being an adult. It's clear some of us want to follow this and discuss how it might impact t shows we plan to attend.  If this discussion isn't something you can handle, perhaps this isn't the thread for you. 

Cheers  

raindog80

Ah. 

lastexitlondon

This is not panicking its preparing and i think by being  ignorant you will make the  problem worse. All anyone here is saying is be real. Be prepared  dont be in denial that disruption is already here. So it makes  great sense to prepare and be aware.

RatherStarved

It’s a fluid situation, and not one that most of us are qualified to predict.  

For the NA tour, I take some comfort from the fact that a PJ show is no different from an NHL or NBA game, in terms of venue/crowd gathering, and it seems unlikely the leagues will suspend operations next month.  And if they do, that would mean the health risk is so high that concerts should be the furthest thing from our minds.

mattsavard

kst said:

It’s a fluid situation, and not one that most of us are qualified to predict.  

For the NA tour, I take some comfort from the fact that a PJ show is no different from an NHL or NBA game, in terms of venue/crowd gathering, and it seems unlikely the leagues will suspend operations next month.  And if they do, that would mean the health risk is so high that concerts should be the furthest thing from our minds.

As someone who's attending the same 4 shows as you, I'm also cautiously optimistic that absent a localized breakout, the early parts of the tour are starting to feel somewhat "safe" in the sense that they are incredibly likely to go on.  

TinaE

Whether the tour should be canceled because of this, which I obviously don't hope for (fingers crossed), then it will be right .... I'm currently more worried about my parents, my children and myself, because we belong to a risk group. ..

Sarava

The virus could already be starting to spread in America. We don't know. Some people might have it, and just thinks it's a common cold or flu? The CDC's site says the incubation period is believed to be between 2 and 14 days. As posted above, they're pretty much saying it's now a matter of when it comes, not if.

The LA1 show is 7 weeks from today. That's a lot of time for a lot of things to happen with this. Or maybe not? Right now I'm planning on still going out to LA for both shows. But I haven't taken the plunge on the flights yet, despite the cheap prices. I'm going to wait and see how things play out over the next few weeks.

Ninetytworules

I wasn’t concerned about the corona virus until yesterday. I think there is a decent chance this could impact the tour. This virus mostly effects people 35+ which is the band and the population attending the show. Not good.