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HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:Welp, this has been an enlightening thread.
It's really brought out the best in some folks!
I am not.
Let's not do this yet again.
I just get annoyed when people jump into a thread flapping their morally superior gums around. I would expect someone to hold my feet to the fire if I was to act this way as well. there's just zero need for this type of "observation".
Why on earth you won't let go of this silliness and skewed view of my daring to post, I don't understand - but have at it.0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
my point is educate society on those that choose to live as they wish/need to live. don't start advocating that everyone live like that as a default. that's ludicrous.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I get where Hugh is coming from. I mean if a child decides at three that he is affirmatively a male, consistent with birth sex, then probably less harm. But what if they are confused about it all really means and doesn't grasp the gravity of said decision and sits in the middle until they are in third grade? That seems like a recipe for bullying, and I can assure you they will be bullied.0 -
hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:Welp, this has been an enlightening thread.
It's really brought out the best in some folks!
I am not.
Let's not do this yet again.
I just get annoyed when people jump into a thread flapping their morally superior gums around. I would expect someone to hold my feet to the fire if I was to act this way as well. there's just zero need for this type of "observation".
Why on earth you won't let go of this silliness and skewed view of my daring to post, I don't understand - but have at it.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.
And don't circumcise them. And fucking realise why one shouldnt.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:Welp, this has been an enlightening thread.
It's really brought out the best in some folks!
I am not.
Let's not do this yet again.
I just get annoyed when people jump into a thread flapping their morally superior gums around. I would expect someone to hold my feet to the fire if I was to act this way as well. there's just zero need for this type of "observation".
Why on earth you won't let go of this silliness and skewed view of my daring to post, I don't understand - but have at it.0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.
And don't circumcise them. And fucking realise why one shouldnt.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.
I need to book my pearl jam flights and stuff now and do 3 hours of animating that I'm lagging behind with. I don't have time with you people.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:HughFreakingDillon said:hedonist said:Welp, this has been an enlightening thread.
It's really brought out the best in some folks!
I am not.
Let's not do this yet again.
I just get annoyed when people jump into a thread flapping their morally superior gums around. I would expect someone to hold my feet to the fire if I was to act this way as well. there's just zero need for this type of "observation".
Why on earth you won't let go of this silliness and skewed view of my daring to post, I don't understand - but have at it.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.
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ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.
I think you aren't giving kids enough credit.
I give kids credit where it's due. most are awesome. some can be downright assholes.
Your argument is weak as shit. I'm not even going to bother going into it.
Change don't come at once. It's a wave. Building.
I doubt this would be that more of a factor in the world of five year olds.
BUT I don't see why having the default be a wait and see approach instead of just going with pronoun mostly connected to the penis or the vagina and roll with it whatever comes.
So whatevz. As long as people are not being assholes and listen to their kids it should be a-ok.0 -
i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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HughFreakingDillon said:i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".0
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ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".0
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dignin said:ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".0
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But are we just talking about what pronoun to use till the child is 3 years old... or do you include other gender-related things into that in this discussion?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:But are we just talking about what pronoun to use till the child is 3 years old... or do you include other gender-related things into that in this discussion?0
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ecdanc said:Spiritual_Chaos said:But are we just talking about what pronoun to use till the child is 3 years old... or do you include other gender-related things into that in this discussion?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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