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  • amethgr8
    amethgr8 Posts: 766
    I agree with you on the circumcision, but I'm not a man and my husband disagrees.  when I ask why, it's because of how it "looks" which is a social perception.  
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    brianlux said:
    Some of these posts give me the feeling some here think it's OK for people to look at their kids like they look at  their pets.  Let's dock its tail and clip the ears.  Jesus, people, please don't go carving on your kids.  Use some common sense.  Elective surgery on children is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
    I sure hope you agree then on the barbaric mutilation that is called circumcision? Whether religious or from (ignorant) tradition? That is cruelty void of common sense.

    At least with a 15 years old who feels he/she is trapped in the wrong body and wants to correct that in some way - they are at least the ones who is wanting it. Not the parent. Whether they should have the right to decide about that before 18 or not, is another discussion. 

    The person who came up with the idea of circumcision must have been one sick fuck.  Mine was whacked when I was a baby too young to remember but I'll bet I didn't like it one damn bit.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    amethgr8 said:
    I agree with you on the circumcision, but I'm not a man and my husband disagrees.  when I ask why, it's because of how it "looks" which is a social perception.  

    Totally a social perception.  Besides, in most cultures, few people are going to look at it.  I know I'm not!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
     I still have nightmares.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Liar. 
    You’re right. It wasn’t really nice to meet him. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  

    I don't mind that I was- no big deal- but when I was a little baby I might have been really pissed off! 

    This thread has taken some strange turns.  Good old AMT, lol. 

    Time to head out.  Keep it humming here, friends.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
  • ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    I'm still angry that they cut my umbilical cord...
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    I'm still angry that they cut my umbilical cord...
    Mama’s boy. 😉
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    I'm still angry that they cut my umbilical cord...
    That freaking hurt!!! 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    How on earth has that procedure caused you trauma today?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    How on earth has that procedure caused you trauma today?
    Never said it did. He made no stipulations about the form of my complaint. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Not an argument in any way for taking control over and mutilating another persons body instead of letting that person A ) decide for themselves when being able to do so or B ) have a doctor come to the conclusion on a medical basis. 

    And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.

    And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.

    Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    How on earth has that procedure caused you trauma today?
    Never said it did. He made no stipulations about the form of my complaint. 
    Well  you find plenty of things to complain about, me thinks.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Not an argument in any way for taking control over and mutilating another persons body instead of letting that person A ) decide for themselves when being able to do so or B ) have a doctor come to the conclusion on a medical basis. 

    And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.

    And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.

    Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
    You forgot D) I don't give a flying fuck.  There are plenty more things that I can gripe about regarding my childhood than that.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Not an argument in any way for taking control over and mutilating another persons body instead of letting that person A ) decide for themselves when being able to do so or B ) have a doctor come to the conclusion on a medical basis. 

    And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.

    And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.

    Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
    You forgot D) I don't give a flying fuck.  There are plenty more things that I can gripe about regarding my childhood than that.  
    Dude this cracked me up!! 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.  
    Nice to meet you. Now you have. 
    Did you get one at a later age?
    Nope. At birth 
    How on earth has that procedure caused you trauma today?
    Never said it did. He made no stipulations about the form of my complaint. 
    Well  you find plenty of things to complain about, me thinks.  
    Including genital mutilation!