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mcgruff10 said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.
And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.
And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.
Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.0 -
mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.
And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.
And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.
Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
Then wouldn't you be able to find a "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised. But that is not an excuse for mutilating boys without their contest and having them decide over their own bodies of course. So it's pretty absurd when you think about it" from within yourself. Instead of whatever "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised" is, if you are not giving a "flying fuck".Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.
And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.
And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.
Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
Then wouldn't you be able to find a "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised. But that is not an excuse for mutilating boys without their contest and having them decide over their own bodies of course. So it's pretty absurd when you think about it" from within yourself. Instead of whatever "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised" is, if you are not giving a "flying fuck".0 -
mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:I've never met a person who has complained that they were circumcised.
And I'm fairly sure you know this. But at the same time I believeyou are not open to, or admit to, a change of position because A ) you yourself were circumcised without consent and therefore "need" that to be a-okey or B ) You have taken the decision to circumcise your kids and do not want to face your own choices and having to re-evaluate choices made in relations to that or C ) you are unable, for whatever reason, to raise your view a tad from where you are standing.
And yes, now I would bet you will throw in something about there being a few percentage less risk of HIV or something like that. In a weird try to justify it being the morally right thing to do. But I have seen that before on here and with the going in circles The Dream Master-thing, the topic is not worth discussing.
Hopefully instead, you one day will admit the absurdity of it all to yourself.
Then wouldn't you be able to find a "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised. But that is not an excuse for mutilating boys without their contest and having them decide over their own bodies of course. So it's pretty absurd when you think about it" from within yourself. Instead of whatever "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised" is, if you are not giving a "flying fuck".
Well then."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
#leavethedicksalone
My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!
My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).
I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult. I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?
(someone please cue Elaine: "It had no...personality!"0 -
hedonist said:#leavethedicksalone
My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!
My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).
I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult. I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?
(someone please cue Elaine: "It had no...personality!""Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:hedonist said:#leavethedicksalone
My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!
My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).
I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult. I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?
(someone please cue Elaine: "It had no...personality!"
Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.0 -
hedonist said:
Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
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hedonist said:Spiritual_Chaos said:hedonist said:#leavethedicksalone
My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!
My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).
I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult. I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?
(someone please cue Elaine: "It had no...personality!"
Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
And yes Spiritual.. I don't care about MINE. And I haven't met anyone that does, but I'm sure they're out there. There's no law to do it, or not do it, so I definitely could care less about the topic. My son was, and he's never asked me about it once. He's 18 now.0 -
mcgruff10 said:ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:ecdanc said:I'm happy to answer all these questions, but I am curious: how many of you with kids get asked why you're choosing to raise them as gendered?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
mrussel1 said:hedonist said:Spiritual_Chaos said:hedonist said:#leavethedicksalone
My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!
My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).
I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult. I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?
(someone please cue Elaine: "It had no...personality!"
Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
And yes Spiritual.. I don't care about MINE. And I haven't met anyone that does, but I'm sure they're out there. There's no law to do it, or not do it, so I definitely could care less about the topic. My son was, and he's never asked me about it once. He's 18 now.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
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oftenreading said:This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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HughFreakingDillon said:oftenreading said:This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:oftenreading said:This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.hippiemom = goodness0
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