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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,629
    In conclusion, Johan Giesecke is confronted with some of the statements he made about the pandemic a year ago - and becomes a bit self-critical.

    Among other things, he has said that herd immunity would be achieved in May 2020.
    - There are two things I think I was wrong a year ago. I never thought the vaccine would come so fast. It was a total surprise. The other was that I thought the disease would spread faster in the population than it did.

    But basically he was right, he thinks.
    - It is possible that some of the statements I made then, I would have modified now.
    But basically I think I was right from the beginning. I built them on the knowledge I had then.
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,450
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,357
    Just got my first Pfizer jab as well. Quick and barely noticed the jab while the nurse chit chatted with me. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 10,224
    PJNB said:
    Got my Pfizer shot today. While I know the symptoms may come tomorrow or only during the second shot it was a very easy process and no issues so far. Also for anyone that hates needles I barely felt a thing. Look away and don't think about it and you will be fine. 
    Congrats. I got the the Moderna shot this morning. So far, so good. It was also an easy and painless process. I guess I will see how I feel later tonight or tomorrow.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,871
    I never had the slightest reaction from shot 1, Phizer. 
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    RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,014
    Got my 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday. Head hurts a little and minor body aches. No big deal. So relieved to be vaccinated. 
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,938
    Flying around the corner.


    Still keeping track? Or has it disappeared? Haven’t seen you post any charts lately. Just curious. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    nicknyr15 said:
    Flying around the corner.


    Still keeping track? Or has it disappeared? Haven’t seen you post any charts lately. Just curious. 
    https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=covid+cases+us
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,013
    nicknyr15 said:
    Flying around the corner.


    Still keeping track? Or has it disappeared? Haven’t seen you post any charts lately. Just curious. 
    Ask and ye shall receive. Like I said what POOTWH said, around November 25th, flying around the corner to it being like the flu, gone by Easter. I’m sure you can find the increase in the number of deaths since November 25th.


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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,357
    nicknyr15 said:
    Flying around the corner.


    Still keeping track? Or has it disappeared? Haven’t seen you post any charts lately. Just curious. 
    I know Faxxi can speak for himself, but I think the point of these was because the past president made complete Bullshit statements and pretended covid didn't exist or wouldn't soon. Haven't heard the same rhetoric with the new admin so it's not necessary to point out the virus still exists.

    I'm sure you knew that too though so I guess you've made your point with this ode to Randstanding.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,450
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,013
    Incase anyone needs a history review, POOTWH admitted knowing that covid was much worse than the flu on February 7th. On March 19th POOTWH admitted that he “liked playing it down,” in his own words.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/09/trump-coronavirus-deadly-downplayed-risk-410796

    Here’s the charts for deaths on the closet two days and POOTWH’s final full day in his stolen Oval Office. I don’t think I need to post the chart for “gone by Easter,” now do I?



    Last full day in POOTWH’s “stolen Oval Office.”

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,013

    And total as of today. So much winning.



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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    edited April 2021
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues 
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,450
    edited April 2021
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues  
    Seems like the US is recognizing the extreme response that post covid patients are all having therefore possibly recommending only one dose because the abundance of antibodies has shown to be so much more then they could have imagined, therefore causes severe reaction to the post covid recipient of the vaccine.  Horrible reaction = probable post covid. I originally stated probably and did so again until fully examined. 
    It was a nice way of saying your further explanation was not necessary since I said “probably” in my original post. I trust that the majority of posters fully understand what people are saying because they make sure to read each word then reread. I made that mistake a few days ago and posted something exactly that was literally just posted so I apologized for not taking the time to properly read the comment(s).  I just notice certain members feel it’s necessary to further explain every post where I believe we’re all intelligent enough to understand and that if we don’t then we’ll ask 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    edited April 2021
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues  
    Seems like the US is recognizing the extreme response that post covid patients are all having therefore possibly recommending only one dose because the abundance of antibodies has shown to be so much more then they could have imagined, therefore causes severe reaction to the post covid recipient of the vaccine.  Horrible reaction = probable post covid. I originally stated probably and did so again until fully examined. 
    It was a nice way of saying your further explanation was not necessary since I said “probably” in my original post. I trust that the majority of posters fully understand what people are saying because they make sure to read each word then reread. I made that mistake a few days ago and posted something exactly that was literally just posted so I apologized for not taking the time to properly read the comment(s).  I just notice certain members feel it’s necessary to further explain every post where I believe we’re all intelligent enough to understand and that if we don’t then we’ll ask 

    I see what you're saying but still disagree with your interpretation. The data doesn't say that a severe reaction means probable prior covid infection, it just means it's more likely - for instance, about 25% of those with a prior infection got chills and muscle aches with the first shot, while 10-14% of those who are seronegative (i.e. have not had prior infection) got chills and muscle aches.

    And yes, there is discussion about those who have had prior infection only needing one immunization. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    Read today that two studies just released have shown that convalescent plasma does not improve outcome on any measure for patients with severe COVID-19. 
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    GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 10,224
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues  
    Seems like the US is recognizing the extreme response that post covid patients are all having therefore possibly recommending only one dose because the abundance of antibodies has shown to be so much more then they could have imagined, therefore causes severe reaction to the post covid recipient of the vaccine.  Horrible reaction = probable post covid. I originally stated probably and did so again until fully examined. 
    It was a nice way of saying your further explanation was not necessary since I said “probably” in my original post. I trust that the majority of posters fully understand what people are saying because they make sure to read each word then reread. I made that mistake a few days ago and posted something exactly that was literally just posted so I apologized for not taking the time to properly read the comment(s).  I just notice certain members feel it’s necessary to further explain every post where I believe we’re all intelligent enough to understand and that if we don’t then we’ll ask 

    I see what you're saying but still disagree with your interpretation. The data doesn't say that a severe reaction means probable prior covid infection, it just means it's more likely - for instance, about 25% of those with a prior infection got chills and muscle aches with the first shot, while 10-14% of those who are seronegative (i.e. have not had prior infection) got chills and muscle aches.

    And yes, there is discussion about those who have had prior infection only needing one immunization. 
    I had my first Covid shot yesterday and already had Covid a year ago. No muscle aches but I did wake up in the middle of the night with a 99.9 temperature. My normal temp is 97.2. So I did feel slight chills and then Tylenol made me sweat. Interestingly, this was around the same temperature I had for a day or two when I had Covid. I wonder if I will have any side effects from the second shot. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,629
    My boss test which he did yesterday came back as negative

    I did my test on tuesdfay - and has not gotten an answer. 

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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,424
    est 15 million doses trashed.....

    Company at heart of J&J vaccine woes has series of citations
    By RICHARD LARDNER and LINDA JOHNSON
    Today

    The company at the center of quality problems that led Johnson & Johnson to discard an unknown amount of its coronavirus vaccine has a string of citations from U.S. health officials for quality control problems.

    Emergent BioSolutions, a little-known company at the center of the vaccine supply chain, was a key to Johnson & Johnson's plan to deliver 100 million doses of its vaccine to the U.S. by the end of May. But the company has been cited repeatedly by the Food and Drug Administration for problems such as poorly trained employees, cracked vials and mold around one of its facilities, according to records obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act. The records cover inspections at Emergent facilities since 2017.

    Johnson & Johnson said Wednesday that a batch of vaccine made by Emergent at its Baltimore factory, known as Bayview, can't be used because it didn't meet quality standards. It was unclear how many doses were involved or how the problem would affect future deliveries of J&J's vaccine. The company said in a statement it was still planning to deliver 100 million doses by the end of June and was “aiming to deliver those doses by the end of May.”

    J&J locked arms with Emergent in April 2020, enlisting the lesser-known company to manufacture the vaccine J&J was developing with federal funding. At the time, Emergent’s Bayview facility wasn’t scaled for making millions of doses of a potential COVID-19 vaccine, according to the FDA records that describe the plant as a contract testing laboratory that “did not manufacture products for distribution.” Upgrades in technology and personnel were required before Bayview could begin making what’s known as “drug substance” material for the vaccine, a two-month process during which the required biological cells are grown.

    The FDA inspected Emergent’s Bayview plant in April 2020, just as the agreement with J&J was being announced. The federal agency criticized the company for problems with its testing of a potential treatment for anthrax, according to the records obtained by the AP. The FDA’s lead investigator cited the company for failing to train employees “in the particular operations they perform as part of their function and current good manufacturing practices.”

    On the same day, Johnson & Johnson, in a separate news release, heralded its partnership with Emergent as a step toward the pharmaceutical giant’s goal of supplying more than 1 billion doses of the vaccine globally by the end of 2021.

    Other problems cited by the FDA during the April 2020 inspection included failures by the Bayview plant “to ensure that electronically held data generated during analytical testing” of material “was protected from deletion or manipulation.” The FDA’s lead investigator, Marcellinus Dordunoo, wrote that Emergent hadn’t investigated what he described as “data integrity concerns.”

    The inspection was the most recent in a series of critical reports from the FDA about Emergent, including one following a December 2017 inspection at a plant in Canton, Massachusetts, in which the FDA said the company hadn’t corrected “continued low level mold and yeast isolates” found in the facility. Nearly a year later, agency investigators questioned why Emergent had “an unwritten policy of not conducting routine compliance audits” at a separate plant in Baltimore, known as Camden, where an anthrax vaccine is filled into vials.

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    Emergent’s revenues skyrocketed during the Trump administration, jumping from around $523 million in 2015 to more than $1.5 billion in 2020. The company has invested heavily in lobbying the federal government, according to disclosure records, which show the company spent $3.6 million on lobbying in 2020 alone.

    Emergent is one of about 10 companies that Johnson & Johnson is using to speed up manufacturing of its recently approved vaccine, the company said. The Bayview factory where the tainted vaccine ingredient was found had not yet been approved by the FDA, so no vaccine in circulation is affected. Emergent declined to comment.

    President Joe Biden has pledged to have enough vaccines for all U.S. adults by the end of May. The U.S. government has ordered enough two-dose shots from Pfizer and Moderna to vaccinate 200 million people to be delivered by late May, plus the 100 million single-dose shots from J&J.

    A federal official said Wednesday evening the administration’s goal can be met without additional J&J doses.

    A J&J spokesman said earlier Wednesday that the company met the end-of-March goal, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s online vaccine tracker showed J&J had provided about 6.8 million doses to the U.S. vaccine effort. J&J has been shipping finished vaccines from its factory in the Netherlands to the U.S.

    J&J said it was putting more of its manufacturing and quality experts inside Emergent’s factory to supervise production of the COVID-19 vaccine, a move meant to enable delivery of an additional 24 million vaccine doses through April.

    J&J said it still expects to deliver more than 1 billion vaccine doses globally by the end of the year.

    The J&J vaccine has been viewed as crucial for vaccination campaigns around the world, because only one shot is required and it can be shipped and stored at standard refrigeration temperatures, unlike some other vials that must be kept frozen. The company also has pledged to sell the vaccine without a profit, but only during the pandemic emergency.

    The problem with the vaccine batch was first reported by The New York Times. The FDA said it was aware of the situation but declined further comment.

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    Johnson reported from Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania, and Lardner from Washington. Associated Press writers Matt Perrone and Zeke Miller in Washington and Jason Dearen in New York contributed to this report.

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    Contact AP’s global investigative team at Investigative@ap.org. Follow Richard Lardner on Twitter at @RPLardner.

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    This story has been corrected to show the name of the company is Emergent BioSolutions, not Emergent BioSolutons.


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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    GlowGirl said:
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues  
    Seems like the US is recognizing the extreme response that post covid patients are all having therefore possibly recommending only one dose because the abundance of antibodies has shown to be so much more then they could have imagined, therefore causes severe reaction to the post covid recipient of the vaccine.  Horrible reaction = probable post covid. I originally stated probably and did so again until fully examined. 
    It was a nice way of saying your further explanation was not necessary since I said “probably” in my original post. I trust that the majority of posters fully understand what people are saying because they make sure to read each word then reread. I made that mistake a few days ago and posted something exactly that was literally just posted so I apologized for not taking the time to properly read the comment(s).  I just notice certain members feel it’s necessary to further explain every post where I believe we’re all intelligent enough to understand and that if we don’t then we’ll ask 

    I see what you're saying but still disagree with your interpretation. The data doesn't say that a severe reaction means probable prior covid infection, it just means it's more likely - for instance, about 25% of those with a prior infection got chills and muscle aches with the first shot, while 10-14% of those who are seronegative (i.e. have not had prior infection) got chills and muscle aches.

    And yes, there is discussion about those who have had prior infection only needing one immunization. 
    I had my first Covid shot yesterday and already had Covid a year ago. No muscle aches but I did wake up in the middle of the night with a 99.9 temperature. My normal temp is 97.2. So I did feel slight chills and then Tylenol made me sweat. Interestingly, this was around the same temperature I had for a day or two when I had Covid. I wonder if I will have any side effects from the second shot. 
    Good to hear the side effects are fairly mild and manageable, and good luck with the second dose!
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    In a continuation of their Phase III trial, Pfizer announced that at six months the vaccine still provides very good protection against severe disease, ranging from 95% - 100%, depending on whose definition of severe disease you are using (CDC or FDA) 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    My boss test which he did yesterday came back as negative

    I did my test on tuesdfay - and has not gotten an answer. 

    WHAT IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT THAT?
    What kind of tests are they administering that take so long??  Any nasal swabs I’ve had come back within 20 minutes
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:
    My boss test which he did yesterday came back as negative

    I did my test on tuesdfay - and has not gotten an answer. 

    WHAT IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT THAT?
    What kind of tests are they administering that take so long??  Any nasal swabs I’ve had come back within 20 minutes
    Socialized medicine is not speedy....
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    PJPOWER said:
    My boss test which he did yesterday came back as negative

    I did my test on tuesdfay - and has not gotten an answer. 

    WHAT IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT THAT?
    What kind of tests are they administering that take so long??  Any nasal swabs I’ve had come back within 20 minutes
    If they come back in 20 minutes they’re probably the rapid tests, so they’re different than the PCR tests. 
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,450
    GlowGirl said:
    Just a heads up - had my first moderna vaccine on Monday and was told that because I had covid previously that my reaction to the vaccine would be much worse the first shot.  Well, if you get the shot and get really sick and ever wondered whether you ever had covid but didn’t get tested, then you probably did based on an “evil” response.  I felt like the exorcist! But it’s going away and nowhere near as bad as covid was. So being honest, it was rough but they tell me it means it’s working. I guess ripping your guts out ends up being a good thing!  Seriously though, get vaccinated, please.

    Data suggests that those who did have a previous covid infection may have stronger side effects to being vaccinated, though not in all cases, but there isn’t data for the converse  - that is, it isn’t necessarily the case that severe side effects mean a previous infection. 
    Hmmm...was just reading that they’re debating whether people who already had covid should only receive one shot. Funny how countries see things so differently. 
    I don’t think I’m understanding you. Those are two quite separate issues  
    Seems like the US is recognizing the extreme response that post covid patients are all having therefore possibly recommending only one dose because the abundance of antibodies has shown to be so much more then they could have imagined, therefore causes severe reaction to the post covid recipient of the vaccine.  Horrible reaction = probable post covid. I originally stated probably and did so again until fully examined. 
    It was a nice way of saying your further explanation was not necessary since I said “probably” in my original post. I trust that the majority of posters fully understand what people are saying because they make sure to read each word then reread. I made that mistake a few days ago and posted something exactly that was literally just posted so I apologized for not taking the time to properly read the comment(s).  I just notice certain members feel it’s necessary to further explain every post where I believe we’re all intelligent enough to understand and that if we don’t then we’ll ask 

    I see what you're saying but still disagree with your interpretation. The data doesn't say that a severe reaction means probable prior covid infection, it just means it's more likely - for instance, about 25% of those with a prior infection got chills and muscle aches with the first shot, while 10-14% of those who are seronegative (i.e. have not had prior infection) got chills and muscle aches.

    And yes, there is discussion about those who have had prior infection only needing one immunization. 
    I had my first Covid shot yesterday and already had Covid a year ago. No muscle aches but I did wake up in the middle of the night with a 99.9 temperature. My normal temp is 97.2. So I did feel slight chills and then Tylenol made me sweat. Interestingly, this was around the same temperature I had for a day or two when I had Covid. I wonder if I will have any side effects from the second shot. 
    Glad you’re not too sick...which vaccine did you have? 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,053
    Two weeks ago today I got my second pfizer shot; I'm going out and partying tonight!  ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    mcgruff10 said:
    Two weeks ago today I got my second pfizer shot; I'm going out and partying tonight!  ;)
    Party safely - use one of those little nose masks while you drink 
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