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Also their constant battle with the inconvenient truth.mrussel1 said:
It's nothing personal. Trump always needs a foil, an enemy. Someone who wronged him. In this case, it started because Fauci was so conservative in his advice on the pandemic. He made the cardinal sin of prioritizing health over the economy. The right wing media was the first to start criticizing him, and Trump has taken that mantle. It's interesting to see the symbiotic and circular nature of the relationship between Trump and his base. They feed each other ideas and if anything, Trump follows their lead.mcgruff10 said:Someone please answer me this: why does the right dislike Fauci so much?0 -
I particularly like Team Trump Treason’s purposeful disinformation campaign against Fauci to make him look bad or for Team Trump Treason to have someone else blame. Like claiming Fauci said the virus wasn’t a serious threat and that wearing masks wasn’t necessary. What Team Trump Treason doesn’t show or reveal in that clip is that it was said when there were 5 known cases total in the US and that Fauci goes on to qualify his statement by saying if it gets worse, uptick in cases, then we need a more aggressive response, including mask wearing, contact tracing, testing, isolating, etc. Faux news repeats the deliberate misinformation and the deplorables buy in to it. Suckers.dignin said:
Also their constant battle with the inconvenient truth.mrussel1 said:
It's nothing personal. Trump always needs a foil, an enemy. Someone who wronged him. In this case, it started because Fauci was so conservative in his advice on the pandemic. He made the cardinal sin of prioritizing health over the economy. The right wing media was the first to start criticizing him, and Trump has taken that mantle. It's interesting to see the symbiotic and circular nature of the relationship between Trump and his base. They feed each other ideas and if anything, Trump follows their lead.mcgruff10 said:Someone please answer me this: why does the right dislike Fauci so much?
This is going to get a fucking shit storm way worse before it gets better. But keep believing Team Trump Treason, he’s got YOUR best interests at heart.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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So you think everyone should just stay home and we shut everything down? Am I reading that correctly?what dreams said:I don't understand why anyone thinks half ass measures are going to do anything except prolong the suffering, both to our health and the economy. Either we try again with a fully national, close to 100% shutdown (we got to about 50% at best, according to estimates I've seen), or we just say fuck it and give up. I see and hear people all around me going with the give up route. Masking, social distancing, hand-washing -- those are mitigating behaviors. Those are not "Let's squash this fucking virus" behaviors. Seriously -- all these idiots at the beach this summer. You couldn't go one damn summer of your life without a beach vacation???
I'm a teacher trying to get my students back in school so their parents can go back to work. Taking them on a beach vacation shows me these parents are not serious at all about getting back to work or school.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I think it's a great idea for the Trump team to make the campaign about Fauci. Feels like a winner.Halifax2TheMax said:
I particularly like Team Trump Treason’s purposeful disinformation campaign against Fauci to make him look bad or for Team Trump Treason to have someone else blame. Like claiming Fauci said the virus wasn’t a serious threat and that wearing masks wasn’t necessary. What Team Trump Treason doesn’t show or reveal in that clip is that it was said when there were 5 known cases total in the US and that Fauci goes on to qualify his statement by saying if it gets worse, uptick in cases, then we need a more aggressive response, including mask wearing, contact tracing, testing, isolating, etc. Faux news repeats the deliberate misinformation and the deplorables buy in to it. Suckers.dignin said:
Also their constant battle with the inconvenient truth.mrussel1 said:
It's nothing personal. Trump always needs a foil, an enemy. Someone who wronged him. In this case, it started because Fauci was so conservative in his advice on the pandemic. He made the cardinal sin of prioritizing health over the economy. The right wing media was the first to start criticizing him, and Trump has taken that mantle. It's interesting to see the symbiotic and circular nature of the relationship between Trump and his base. They feed each other ideas and if anything, Trump follows their lead.mcgruff10 said:Someone please answer me this: why does the right dislike Fauci so much?
This is going to get a fucking shit storm way worse before it gets better. But keep believing Team Trump Treason, he’s got YOUR best interests at heart.0 -
I'm going to continue my rant, if you will allow me.
Yesterday I had to go into school for a non-Covid related meeting. I interacted with about 10 people. Four of them were not wearing masks, including the assistant principal I was meeting with in a tiny ass book closet regarding inventory. Over the course of our meeting, something she said led me to believe the school board will vote tonight to go back in person 100%. That will be determined later, but I will not be surprised because my district is led by a bunch of white Open-Er-Up Republicans who hate spending their tax dollars educating brown Spanish speaking children. They don't give a crap at the end of the day what happens to these kids, though they all pay lip service to how much they do.
For the record, I have said before that I prefer the 100% going in option because the hybrid plan is just another half ass, feel-like-we're-doing-something-but-not measure, and fully online will not work for my student population. I walked by my classroom yesterday to see what cleaning looked like. While the room was in fact cleaner than any summer cleaning I've seen, I noticed in all the rooms I passed that the custodians must have been instructed to only set up half the desks facing forward to model what a hybrid would result in. (The other half were stacked against a wall.) With only half the desks set up, there was about, and certainly no more than, three feet between them.
When I came home, I told my mother that we needed to start talking about what happens when I go back to school, and what happens when I get sick. She didn't want to talk about it. She said it was a terrible thing to say and think about. Since she didn't appear ready, I didn't push, but closed the conversation by telling her that once school starts, we will both have to start wearing a mask *in the house* and that I will mostly be hanging out in my bedroom or office.
I say all of this to reinforce why I am madder than freaking hell right now that this country has FAILED miserably at sacrifice and self-discipline. We have WASTED SEVEN MONTHS if you start with January, not March, with our hand-wringing and arguing and whining about this or that. Now we want to put ALL THE BURDEN on our schools/teachers to "save the economy" (the way we do with every other social ill out there). Meanwhile, let's prop up the tourism industry with hundreds of billions of dollars so people can go on fucking beach vacations this summer. It's sickening. If our leaders and our citizens had just done their fucking part, 100%, months ago, my mother and I would be having a completely different conversation right now.0 -
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Also their constant battle with the inconvenient truth.mrussel1 said:
It's nothing personal. Trump always needs a foil, an enemy. Someone who wronged him. In this case, it started because Fauci was so conservative in his advice on the pandemic. He made the cardinal sin of prioritizing health over the economy. The right wing media was the first to start criticizing him, and Trump has taken that mantle. It's interesting to see the symbiotic and circular nature of the relationship between Trump and his base. They feed each other ideas and if anything, Trump follows their lead.mcgruff10 said:Someone please answer me this: why does the right dislike Fauci so much?Yep. First, Trump relies on domestic enemies to rile his base up. The GOP, for most of my life, has relied on foreign enemies. But for Trump it's a myopic view of how to win an election (since it's all that matters to him); rile up his people against the people that might vote for his opponent. For Reagan and W it was about trying to unite the country against a foreign enemy. Politically, Trump's tact is stupider because he's also riling up his opponents and missing opportunities with the apolitical and undecided.Second, yeah, they seem to be wishing away this inconvenient truth and there is a parallel to their response to the environment. It's a worse look, though, in that most people have an immediate nervousness about the virus, whereas the environment has been an issue for decades that has always seemed almost abstract. In both cases, the GOP responds with "economy first" but this issue is just more in our faces.
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Yes, we should have done that from the beginning. Read my post above.cincybearcat said:
So you think everyone should just stay home and we shut everything down? Am I reading that correctly?what dreams said:I don't understand why anyone thinks half ass measures are going to do anything except prolong the suffering, both to our health and the economy. Either we try again with a fully national, close to 100% shutdown (we got to about 50% at best, according to estimates I've seen), or we just say fuck it and give up. I see and hear people all around me going with the give up route. Masking, social distancing, hand-washing -- those are mitigating behaviors. Those are not "Let's squash this fucking virus" behaviors. Seriously -- all these idiots at the beach this summer. You couldn't go one damn summer of your life without a beach vacation???
I'm a teacher trying to get my students back in school so their parents can go back to work. Taking them on a beach vacation shows me these parents are not serious at all about getting back to work or school.
Here's the deal: start putting your papers in order. Make sure you have a plan for when you get sick/die. At the rate we are going, every single one of us will get this disease. Don't plan on a vaccine. It's not happening. We have never once had a successful vaccine for a Coronavirus, studies are now showing the antibodies are not permanent, the virus is mutating, and about 90% of the population has a dysfunctional metabolic system of some sort. Good luck. That's become my replacement farewell to everyone.0 -
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.
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I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.0 -
Hot damn, woman. Some of what you feel and wrote resonates with me...especially that last part.what dreams said:I'm going to continue my rant, if you will allow me.
Yesterday I had to go into school for a non-Covid related meeting. I interacted with about 10 people. Four of them were not wearing masks, including the assistant principal I was meeting with in a tiny ass book closet regarding inventory. Over the course of our meeting, something she said led me to believe the school board will vote tonight to go back in person 100%. That will be determined later, but I will not be surprised because my district is led by a bunch of white Open-Er-Up Republicans who hate spending their tax dollars educating brown Spanish speaking children. They don't give a crap at the end of the day what happens to these kids, though they all pay lip service to how much they do.
For the record, I have said before that I prefer the 100% going in option because the hybrid plan is just another half ass, feel-like-we're-doing-something-but-not measure, and fully online will not work for my student population. I walked by my classroom yesterday to see what cleaning looked like. While the room was in fact cleaner than any summer cleaning I've seen, I noticed in all the rooms I passed that the custodians must have been instructed to only set up half the desks facing forward to model what a hybrid would result in. (The other half were stacked against a wall.) With only half the desks set up, there was about, and certainly no more than, three feet between them.
When I came home, I told my mother that we needed to start talking about what happens when I go back to school, and what happens when I get sick. She didn't want to talk about it. She said it was a terrible thing to say and think about. Since she didn't appear ready, I didn't push, but closed the conversation by telling her that once school starts, we will both have to start wearing a mask *in the house* and that I will mostly be hanging out in my bedroom or office.
I say all of this to reinforce why I am madder than freaking hell right now that this country has FAILED miserably at sacrifice and self-discipline. We have WASTED SEVEN MONTHS if you start with January, not March, with our hand-wringing and arguing and whining about this or that. Now we want to put ALL THE BURDEN on our schools/teachers to "save the economy" (the way we do with every other social ill out there). Meanwhile, let's prop up the tourism industry with hundreds of billions of dollars so people can go on fucking beach vacations this summer. It's sickening. If our leaders and our citizens had just done their fucking part, 100%, months ago, my mother and I would be having a completely different conversation right now.Good thoughts to you and your mom, and all of those kiddos.0 -
More interesting than someone who doesn't have to smell the shit, but willingly sticks their nose in it anyway? I live here and can't get away from the stench. Criticize people? Defending trump? This post isn't very long, go back and read it. I get your game and I am not interested.dignin said:
It really is interesting (to put it friendly) to admittingly never participate in the political process then come on the AMT and criticize people who do. I guess how ever you get your kicks? Obviously you want to participate in politics, even if by just passive aggressively defending Trump. So if you want to continue this defense let's continue it over in the Trump thread.JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
But yeah, back to the virus (which has become very much politicised). I nervously watch the dumpster fire in the US hoping it doesn't spread to my country, the intensity of the virus and stupidity.
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what dreams said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:Bentleyspop said:Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary. I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election. Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible). Not to mention that even without missteps we weren't going to get through this unscathed. But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America." We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world. We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary. And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs). So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.
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That is a logical comparison, but be careful because that would mean that Europe is the death toll leader and I know that was not the side you were going for. Like what dreams said, ultimately governments can only do so much and it comes down to the people. Do you have children? You think one is a challenge until you have another one, now think about wrangling a country. THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT FOR TRUMPHalifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.
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Heres my recent experience.....
This past weekend my S.O. and I went to 2 different car show type events in 2 different settings. This was the first time we had done anything or gone anywhere that wasn't a "necessity" since the first week of March.
Saturday was your run of the mill American classics in a suburban parking lot outside 2 local craft breweries (literally next door to each other).
Out of the 2 hundred or so people in the parking lot and brewery taprooms we were the only people wearing masks except for may 4 or five others. No staff, no volunteers, nobody. It was scary. Even outside. We didn't hang around long.
Sunday was high end cars in the parking lot of the local Bentley dealership. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ford GT, Porsche, Etc. Out of a few hundred people maybe 15-20 including us were wearing masks. When we went into the crowded Bentley showroom we were the only ones wearing masks. It was scary. We went into the high end cocktail/whiskey bar next door. Nobody wearing masks. No staff, no guests, nobody. It was scary. Went back outside did another lap of the cars and left.
America and Americans are not dealing with this in a good safe way. Maybe this will end up being Darwinism at play and the herd will be thinned.0 -
What city/ state?Bentleyspop said:Heres my recent experience.....
This past weekend my S.O. and I went to 2 different car show type events in 2 different settings. This was the first time we had done anything or gone anywhere that wasn't a "necessity" since the first week of March.
Saturday was your run of the mill American classics in a suburban parking lot outside 2 local craft breweries (literally next door to each other).
Out of the 2 hundred or so people in the parking lot and brewery taprooms we were the only people wearing masks except for may 4 or five others. No staff, no volunteers, nobody. It was scary. Even outside. We didn't hang around long.
Sunday was high end cars in the parking lot of the local Bentley dealership. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ford GT, Porsche, Etc. Out of a few hundred people maybe 15-20 including us were wearing masks. When we went into the crowded Bentley showroom we were the only ones wearing masks. It was scary. We went into the high end cocktail/whiskey bar next door. Nobody wearing masks. No staff, no guests, nobody. It was scary. Went back outside did another lap of the cars and left.
America and Americans are not dealing with this in a good safe way. Maybe this will end up being Darwinism at play and the herd will be thinned.0 -
Hillary or likely any other candidate would be encouraging masks, etc. on a daily basis. Trump has failed horribly at leading us out of this shitOnWis97 said:what dreams said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:Bentleyspop said:Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary. I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election. Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible). But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America." We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world. We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary. And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs). So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.
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To be fair, the right wing governors and people would still be fighting the mask. I really don't know if it would make a difference. Trump advocating masks would have helped thoughGern Blansten said:
Hillary or likely any other candidate would be encouraging masks, etc. on a daily basis. Trump has failed horribly at leading us out of this shitOnWis97 said:what dreams said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:Bentleyspop said:Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary. I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election. Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible). But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America." We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world. We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary. And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs). So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.
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It would reason that with 114 million more people, yes. Except:JW269453 said:
That is a logical comparison, but be careful because that would mean that Europe is the death toll leader and I know that was not the side you were going for. Like what dreams said, ultimately governments can only do so much and it comes down to the people. Do you have children? You think one is a challenge until you have another one, now think about wrangling a country. THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT FOR TRUMPHalifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.
https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graphic-truth-are-new-us-covid-deaths-surging-vs-euUpdated as of 7/13/2020
The United States and the European Union have comparable population sizes, but their COVID-19 death toll trajectories have recently become very different. Since the beginning of July, the average number of both new fatalities and new deaths per 1 million people is rapidly increasing in the US while it remains mostly flat in the EU. We compare this to the average number of new cases each seven days in both regions, where the US trend continues upward but is not surging like the death toll. EU countries' robust public health systems and citizens' willingness to wear masks and maintain social distance could explain the disparity.
US=1.93 deaths, three day rolling average, per million > EU=.15
I love the "it can't be done in the US" mantra. Well, we'll suffer the consequences then, won't we? We're free to be stupid, I get it.
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mrussel1 said:
To be fair, the right wing governors and people would still be fighting the mask. I really don't know if it would make a difference. Trump advocating masks would have helped thoughGern Blansten said:
Hillary or likely any other candidate would be encouraging masks, etc. on a daily basis. Trump has failed horribly at leading us out of this shitOnWis97 said:what dreams said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:Bentleyspop said:Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary. I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election. Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible). But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America." We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world. We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary. And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs). So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.I agree with Gern that anyone else would be encouraging masks. I do think you're right that you'd have some on the right fighting it to own the libs. But a lot of this crap (corona and non-corona issues alike) is about following Trump because 1) that REALLY owns the libs and 2) it's a cult. So it's hard to say just how badly dum-dums like DeSantis would be behaving right now. And it's hard to say where that 135,000 would be at. Less, but how much less? Sadly we'll never know. We'd have better leadership but we'd still be terribly divided and terribly American.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine 2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin 2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley 2025 Nashville (II)0 -
Many of those American people are un-under educated, don't believe in science and follow Team Trump Treason's advice. I agree with you as I was arguing with family members that we should have gone into a complete, countrywide lock down for 90 days back in mid-March. And had we, we'd have numbers more closely resembling the EU, Canada, Taiwan, NZ, etc. But no, freedom. And unfortunately, like much else of America and Americans, they'll only care when it personally affects them.what dreams said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone.Halifax2TheMax said:
How about comparing the US to the EU?JW269453 said:
I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.dignin said:
Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.JW269453 said:
I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.dignin said:
Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?JW269453 said:
Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?dignin said:
Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...pjl44 said:
Gotta comb the internet to get mad thoughJW269453 said:
One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.Bentleyspop said:
Didn't even need the internet for that one.
Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?
Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/
Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million
Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.
Good luck with the school year re-opening and try to stay safe. I'm still mostly self-isolating and working from home and expect to be until the end of the year and most likely, through next summer.
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