I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
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I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
I agree with a lot of what you say except restaurants going back to business as usual. All those people are eating and drinking with no mask. I think being creative in helping those businesses is needed, but the 6’ rule and or ventilation improvements have to happen there.
Just cause it’s been a long time doesn’t mean you can ignore the risk.
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
I'm not sure that disputing covid-19 science deniers is the best approch. It's recommended we: 1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!) 2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS) 3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)
I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
I agree with a lot of what you say except restaurants going back to business as usual. All those people are eating and drinking with no mask. I think being creative in helping those businesses is needed, but the 6’ rule and or ventilation improvements have to happen there.
Just cause it’s been a long time doesn’t mean you can ignore the risk.
That is true. I guess a fully packed restaurant with people standing in a lobby waiting to be seated is problematic.
But Massachusetts, for example, is still at a 25% capacity limit for essentially all businesses and restaurants. I think 25% is a little harsh to be honest.... maybe 75% would be reasonable?
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I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
I agree with a lot of what you say except restaurants going back to business as usual. All those people are eating and drinking with no mask. I think being creative in helping those businesses is needed, but the 6’ rule and or ventilation improvements have to happen there.
Just cause it’s been a long time doesn’t mean you can ignore the risk.
That is true. I guess a fully packed restaurant with people standing in a lobby waiting to be seated is problematic.
But Massachusetts, for example, is still at a 25% capacity limit for essentially all businesses and restaurants. I think 25% is a little harsh to be honest.... maybe 75% would be reasonable?
I don’t know what the square footage to person capacity limits are in those areas. % doesn’t mean anything without knowing that. So - can you have 6’ distance between table? That’s the limit
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
Because the rich got richer that means everyone should not adhere to safety measures? That doesn't make sense. We have seen a stark increase in excess deaths in the US since the pandemic began (taking into account all causes of death, not just Covid-19). 424,000 More U.S. Deaths Than Normal Since Covid-19 Struck - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Imagine the numbers had some of us not adhered to safety measures. Imagine the numbers if we do not continue to adhere to safety measures as you suggest. And as a reminder, each number is a life lost.
Perhaps suicide and other factors are contributing to those numbers. Could not post image from mobile but check this graph.
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
Because the rich got richer that means everyone should not adhere to safety measures? That doesn't make sense. We have seen a stark increase in excess deaths in the US since the pandemic began (taking into account all causes of death, not just Covid-19). 424,000 More U.S. Deaths Than Normal Since Covid-19 Struck - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Imagine the numbers had some of us not adhered to safety measures. Imagine the numbers if we do not continue to adhere to safety measures as you suggest. And as a reminder, each number is a life lost.
Perhaps suicide and other factors are contributing to those numbers. Could not post image from mobile but check this graph.
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
Why are you not posting numbers and making us go to links? Doubling sounds like a lot and any teen suicide death is one too many but we are talking 9 deaths normally to 18 deaths.
As I type, Birx is on CBS talking about how Trump failed (which I agree) but why should I listen to the woman that said I should not gather for Thanksgiving and went to her lake house with her family from different households?
Because what she said was correct. What she did was not.
I don't see the problem here.
Really? You don’t see the problem with one of the few people we are trusting to tell us how to get through the pandemic going against her own recommendation? You don’t have a problem with a Governor locking down his state and going to eat indoors at the French Laundry? You don’t have a problem being told masks save lives, yet when I get my hair done I remove it because... maybe it doesn’t make a difference?
The priest example is poor. “Murder... is a crime” sung in my best Know Your Rights voice, whereas spending the Holidays with my family is not.
Their actions tell me they are not scared of the coronavirus. Why should I be scared?
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
Because the rich got richer that means everyone should not adhere to safety measures? That doesn't make sense. We have seen a stark increase in excess deaths in the US since the pandemic began (taking into account all causes of death, not just Covid-19). 424,000 More U.S. Deaths Than Normal Since Covid-19 Struck - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Imagine the numbers had some of us not adhered to safety measures. Imagine the numbers if we do not continue to adhere to safety measures as you suggest. And as a reminder, each number is a life lost.
Perhaps suicide and other factors are contributing to those numbers. Could not post image from mobile but check this graph.
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
Why are you not posting numbers and making us go to links? Doubling sounds like a lot and any teen suicide death is one too many but we are talking 9 deaths normally to 18 deaths.
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
Because the rich got richer that means everyone should not adhere to safety measures? That doesn't make sense. We have seen a stark increase in excess deaths in the US since the pandemic began (taking into account all causes of death, not just Covid-19). 424,000 More U.S. Deaths Than Normal Since Covid-19 Struck - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Imagine the numbers had some of us not adhered to safety measures. Imagine the numbers if we do not continue to adhere to safety measures as you suggest. And as a reminder, each number is a life lost.
Perhaps suicide and other factors are contributing to those numbers. Could not post image from mobile but check this graph.
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
Why are you not posting numbers and making us go to links? Doubling sounds like a lot and any teen suicide death is one too many but we are talking 9 deaths normally to 18 deaths.
One Unnecessary child death is too many!
Obviously but to act like these numbers are putting a dent in the excess death numbers is a bit of lie is it not?
I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
I really appreciate this response and going against the echo chamber that this place can become. The beloved Emmy winning, book writing Lord Emperor Cuomo himself showed a slide several months back suggesting indoor dining accounted for less than 2% of Covid transmissions. The election is over and the attitudes are changing. Gretchen Whitmer is going to reopen dining in Michigan, Cuomo understands now that we cannot stay shut down forever, I would post links but apparently people don’t like opening links. Thanks for the response though!
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
Because the rich got richer that means everyone should not adhere to safety measures? That doesn't make sense. We have seen a stark increase in excess deaths in the US since the pandemic began (taking into account all causes of death, not just Covid-19). 424,000 More U.S. Deaths Than Normal Since Covid-19 Struck - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Imagine the numbers had some of us not adhered to safety measures. Imagine the numbers if we do not continue to adhere to safety measures as you suggest. And as a reminder, each number is a life lost.
Perhaps suicide and other factors are contributing to those numbers. Could not post image from mobile but check this graph.
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
Why are you not posting numbers and making us go to links? Doubling sounds like a lot and any teen suicide death is one too many but we are talking 9 deaths normally to 18 deaths.
One Unnecessary child death is too many!
Obviously but to act like these numbers are putting a dent in the excess death numbers is a bit of lie is it not?
Maybe. Maybe not. That is one school district in the US. 1. Uno. The link, I know you don’t like opening links, above suggests much bigger numbers.
We all know the Covid death numbers are exaggerated. Gunshot wounds, car wrecks, accidental falls and so on should not be counted as Covid deaths. Period.
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
I'm not sure that disputing covid-19 science deniers is the best approch. It's recommended we: 1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!) 2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS) 3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)
Last response for a while, much to the delight of all here I am sure, but I am not sure if this agrees with me or not. I do empathize with those suffering and those kids who are not in school. My wife and I decided to send our daughter to private school this year. Best decision we have ever made. She is excelling. Other kids in my county are not as lucky.
Not sure what point 2 means, but I have certainly pointed out all the hypocrisy. And my thing is this, these “experts” and leaders are setting these strict rules because of this deadly virus, YET they do not even follow their own advice. Again, I am fine with them living their life, just stop with all the talk and lets move on.
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
one more before I go, this from back in April with the Illinois Director of Public Health. Yes, it’s a link but there is a video of her own words telling how Covid deaths are counted. Why are we Using obviously flawed numbers to create some of these ridiculous public policies?
My position is this, time to move on. The Election is over and Biden is in. Time to let everyone get their life back to normal. Time to take the masks off and get back to work. Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms. Most importantly, time to stop testing people. Period. Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it? The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all. They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering. I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not. Y’all have seen them.
Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.
I'm not sure that disputing covid-19 science deniers is the best approch. It's recommended we: 1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!) 2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS) 3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)
Last response for a while, much to the delight of all here I am sure, but I am not sure if this agrees with me or not. I do empathize with those suffering and those kids who are not in school. My wife and I decided to send our daughter to private school this year. Best decision we have ever made. She is excelling. Other kids in my county are not as lucky.
Not sure what point 2 means, but I have certainly pointed out all the hypocrisy. And my thing is this, these “experts” and leaders are setting these strict rules because of this deadly virus, YET they do not even follow their own advice. Again, I am fine with them living their life, just stop with all the talk and lets move on.
I heard Brazil and Sweden were carrying on as if nothing is happening, you know, living? You should go give it a whirl.
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Holy smokes are you saying that God sent a pandemic to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that Democrats would be able to beat Donald Trump in an election?? Yowza! That's crazy.
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Holy smokes are you saying that God sent a pandemic to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that Democrats would be able to beat Donald Trump in an election?? Yowza! That's crazy.
Aww crap, did I say that. I meant to say Jane Fonda said it...
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Holy smokes are you saying that God sent a pandemic to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that Democrats would be able to beat Donald Trump in an election?? Yowza! That's crazy.
Aww crap, did I say that. I meant to say Jane Fonda said it...
"My priest once said that one should not kill other people, but now I have read that he killed his wife last night"
SO SHOULD I KILL PEOPLE OR NOT!??!?!
I don’t agree with this analogy because here no new rules were added or changed. Murder has obviously always been wrong. There are numerous examples of mayors, governors, city council, etc banning restaurant dining then going out themselves. Putting into question the the need for the shutdowns. It’s not a matter of basing ones morals after a public figure, but questioning their interests and motives and reasoning. I agree with wearing masks and social distancing and limiting capacity. But something like 1% of the spread is from bars and restaurants, I don’t think it’s fair to shut them down. Especially when it’s been almost a year and many have spent thousands of dollars to make it safer. So it’s completely fair to questions those in charge when the science isn’t pointing at restaurants, they shut them down anyway, then take themselves out to eat despite their own orders. And so if it isn’t about the science, what is it about then?
I do get a lot of what you are saying, though I feel like you are way too far on the other side of this and need to find some middle ground. This is a one sided forum a lot of the time and hearing from the other side is something that is needed to learn and understand what others are really thinking. Are you so one sided with your thoughts as you portray here I wonder or are you going as far as you are to balance the discussion?
With regards to counting it was shit at the start and is better but not perfect now. That said the excess deaths number does not lie no matter how you look at it and the deaths coming from "lockdown" are not making adding to that total number as much as you think they are I do not think. Also one thing that bothers me with counting is the fact that they are spinning this new variant as more deadly then first one. We do not have the numbers and proper testing to say that yet and all they are doing is getting people needlessly worried at this time.
We have people that are 100% against masks, 100% any kind of restriction, 100% against a new vaccine, 100% against science. Every thing is a conspiracy or government control tactics. There is no budging or reasoning with these people even a little bit. We are the sheep and they are the high intellectuals that can see through all the lies. We also have people that are not moving on the harsh restrictions and lockdowns and say we should be like this for the next 2 years at the very least. They do not see anything beyond what fits in their world and what works for them. The negativity and pessimism I see on this forum and other social media sites is draining. Yes we need to be real about things but I feel like thinking positively about outcomes is the way to go rather than the sky is falling forever.
Lockdowns suck and no one should like them or cheer for them. I don't care if you "trained for this your whole life" and your life has not changed much. They are not healthy any way you look at it. Yes there are rises in suicide. Yes domestic violence is on the rise. Yes people are abusing drugs and alcohol more. Yes mental health issues are happening more rapidly for the first time to people that have never experienced it before. Yes kids are not getting the education they need. Yes kids are less active than before the virus becoming even more addicted to electronics. It fucking sucks. Once the pandemic is over are these rises here to stay? I sure as hell hope not but the lasting damage from these lockdowns is going to cut deep I fear for years to come for a lot of people and families. That said there is no other alternative to this right now. We have to roll this vaccine out and hope it works as they think it will. If it does not then shit is going to hit the fan from both sides. Also you would think 10 months into this we would find a way to protect our oldest that are in nursing homes or long term care but sadly we still are making the same mistakes again and again. Anyways end of mindless rant I guess.
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Holy smokes are you saying that God sent a pandemic to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that Democrats would be able to beat Donald Trump in an election?? Yowza! That's crazy.
Aww crap, did I say that. I meant to say Jane Fonda said it...
Well shit, if Barbarella said it then it isn't crazy at all!
Just curious, do you believe that literally or just figuratively?
What do you think? Of course figuratively. My point being DJT was on a one way trip to being re-elected and nothing was going to stop him. That is until Covid came. Honestly, I do not know what anyone could of done, but he did not do good. That is truth.
And to the comment above telling me to leave, I can do everything in my community that I could pre pandemic, sans eating INSIDE a fucking fast food joint. And I do. I am happy, but this isn’t about me. This is about my fellow countrymen who are hurting, who have lost everything due to these failed policies, you all should want better for everyone, not just the elite who have used this pandemic to pull further ahead.
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Do the middle schoolers wear masks or does 99% Tennessee not include the gauntlet that is middle school sports? Curious to know.
You are right. You got me. My number may be a little high. They do not wear masks but we have to as spectators.
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Prepare the clown gifs, because I 100% believe that the Covid was Gods gift to the Democrats! Some of it was Donnie not handing it well, but the non stop fear porn from MSM was 100% an effort to get DJT out. And it worked!
Holy smokes are you saying that God sent a pandemic to kill hundreds of thousands of people so that Democrats would be able to beat Donald Trump in an election?? Yowza! That's crazy.
Aww crap, did I say that. I meant to say Jane Fonda said it...
Well shit, if Barbarella said it then it isn't crazy at all!
Just curious, do you believe that literally or just figuratively?
What do you think? Of course figuratively. My point being DJT was on a one way trip to being re-elected and nothing was going to stop him. That is until Covid came. Honestly, I do not know what anyone could of done, but he did not do good. That is truth.
And to the comment above telling me to leave, I can do everything in my community that I could pre pandemic, sans eating INSIDE a fucking fast food joint. And I do. I am happy, but this isn’t about me. This is about my fellow countrymen who are hurting, who have lost everything due to these failed policies, you all should want better for everyone, not just the elite who have used this pandemic to pull further ahead.
I learned long ago not to overestimate Christians lol
I know half a dozen people who thought the planetary conjunction last month was literally a sign from God.
Very well put and that was not mindless banter at all. I am not one that is 100% this way or that way, but as you can tell I certainly have a heavy lean one way. As I said earlier, no one hates wearing a face diaper more than me, but when I go out in public, to the gym, restaurants, my daughters games, I have to wear one so I comply. So I am not some MAGA flag waving, don’t take my guns ( strong anti gun person here) or freedom guy, I am complying. But you have to wonder, is it working? The CDC now recommends two face masks. At what point does it stop. And again, the Elite are absolutely cleaning up during this pandemic.
Bottom line, I know I am not going to change anyones opinions here, but I feel strongly that the government has not been on our side during the past year. By our, I mean the common person.
And for the record, when this shit ends and we all gather for a show again, I will buy any one of y’all a beer that will be at the Nashville show. Even F and games. Maybe meet at a bar before hand discuss the ridiculousness of all this. By the way, whatever happened to the shows? I still have tickets I guess. Never mind, not the right forum.
If there is some conspiracy for the elite then it is worldwide and not just the US. Calling masks "face diapers" makes me want to put you in the MAGA crowd because it is silly to think that masks don't help in some form.
The rules do seem arbitrary though and frustrating. Airports can be packed, can fly on planes, shop at Wal-Mart and Home Depot, etc... but restaurants have to shutdown or golf courses have to be closed?
Also. .."the vaccine is probably more harmful to you than the virus" was a great post. We need to keep that in mind when reading anything else you share with us
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I believe in continuing mask wearing pretty much indefinitely, as well as investing heavily in vaccination and encouraging the public to accept the vaccine when it is available to them. I am also ok with not resuming things such as concerts where thousands of people are crammed shoulder to shoulder inside for hours. Continue working from home if this can be easily done and does not affect performance or outcome.
But I am also really against the continuation of strict lockdowns at this point that some states still have. Restaurants and other small businesses need to be able to open at almost full capacity with patrons continuing to take precautions such as masks, hand washing, and distancing when it can be done.
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Just cause it’s been a long time doesn’t mean you can ignore the risk.
1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!)
2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS)
3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)
But Massachusetts, for example, is still at a 25% capacity limit for essentially all businesses and restaurants. I think 25% is a little harsh to be honest.... maybe 75% would be reasonable?
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
but check this graph.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EWoodhouse7/status/1351406512074350594
It certainly suggests that for certain age groups deaths are up and it is not Covid. What about schools in Las Vegas seeing double the amount of suicides as the normally do? Is it worth sacrificing our youth to save people who might be less than a year from death anyways?
The priest example is poor. “Murder... is a crime” sung in my best Know Your Rights voice, whereas spending the Holidays with my family is not.
Their actions tell me they are not scared of the coronavirus. Why should I be scared?
I believe you are the one constantly posting clown gifs and said something about Trump not winning re-election.
Not sure what point 2 means, but I have certainly
pointed out all the hypocrisy. And my thing is this, these “experts” and leaders are setting these strict rules because of this deadly virus, YET they do not even follow their own advice. Again, I am fine with them living their life, just stop with all the talk and lets move on.
one more before I go, this from back in April with the Illinois Director of Public Health. Yes, it’s a link but there is a video of her
own words telling how Covid deaths are counted. Why are we Using obviously flawed numbers to create some of these ridiculous public policies?
https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/
By the way, I am on mobile
so forgive all grammatical errors. It’s obvious I am not bright but I like to think I am a decent speller.
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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Yowza! That's crazy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N_F0ygz3FsM
...but she is absolutely right!
Just curious, do you believe that literally or just figuratively?
I agree with wearing masks and social distancing and limiting capacity. But something like 1% of the spread is from bars and restaurants, I don’t think it’s fair to shut them down. Especially when it’s been almost a year and many have spent thousands of dollars to make it safer. So it’s completely fair to questions those in charge when the science isn’t pointing at restaurants, they shut them down anyway, then take themselves out to eat despite their own orders. And so if it isn’t about the science, what is it about then?
I do get a lot of what you are saying, though I feel like you are way too far on the other side of this and need to find some middle ground. This is a one sided forum a lot of the time and hearing from the other side is something that is needed to learn and understand what others are really thinking. Are you so one sided with your thoughts as you portray here I wonder or are you going as far as you are to balance the discussion?
With regards to counting it was shit at the start and is better but not perfect now. That said the excess deaths number does not lie no matter how you look at it and the deaths coming from "lockdown" are not making adding to that total number as much as you think they are I do not think. Also one thing that bothers me with counting is the fact that they are spinning this new variant as more deadly then first one. We do not have the numbers and proper testing to say that yet and all they are doing is getting people needlessly worried at this time.
We have people that are 100% against masks, 100% any kind of restriction, 100% against a new vaccine, 100% against science. Every thing is a conspiracy or government control tactics. There is no budging or reasoning with these people even a little bit. We are the sheep and they are the high intellectuals that can see through all the lies. We also have people that are not moving on the harsh restrictions and lockdowns and say we should be like this for the next 2 years at the very least. They do not see anything beyond what fits in their world and what works for them. The negativity and pessimism I see on this forum and other social media sites is draining. Yes we need to be real about things but I feel like thinking positively about outcomes is the way to go rather than the sky is falling forever.
Lockdowns suck and no one should like them or cheer for them. I don't care if you "trained for this your whole life" and your life has not changed much. They are not healthy any way you look at it. Yes there are rises in suicide. Yes domestic violence is on the rise. Yes people are abusing drugs and alcohol more. Yes mental health issues are happening more rapidly for the first time to people that have never experienced it before. Yes kids are not getting the education they need. Yes kids are less active than before the virus becoming even more addicted to electronics. It fucking sucks. Once the pandemic is over are these rises here to stay? I sure as hell hope not but the lasting damage from these lockdowns is going to cut deep I fear for years to come for a lot of people and families. That said there is no other alternative to this right now. We have to roll this vaccine out and hope it works as they think it will. If it does not then shit is going to hit the fan from both sides. Also you would think 10 months into this we would find a way to protect our oldest that are in nursing homes or long term care but sadly we still are making the same mistakes again and again. Anyways end of mindless rant I guess.
Very well put and that was not mindless banter at all. I am not one that is 100% this way or that way, but as you can tell I certainly have a heavy lean one way. As I said earlier, no one hates wearing a face diaper more than me, but when I go out in public, to the gym, restaurants, my daughters games, I have to wear one so I comply. So I am not some MAGA flag waving, don’t take my guns ( strong anti gun person here) or freedom guy, I am complying. But you have to wonder, is it working? The CDC now recommends two face masks. At what point does it stop. And again, the Elite are absolutely cleaning up during this pandemic.
Bottom line, I know I am not going to change anyones opinions here, but I feel strongly that the government has not been on our side during the past year. By our, I mean the common person.
If there is some conspiracy for the elite then it is worldwide and not just the US. Calling masks "face diapers" makes me want to put you in the MAGA crowd because it is silly to think that masks don't help in some form.
The rules do seem arbitrary though and frustrating. Airports can be packed, can fly on planes, shop at Wal-Mart and Home Depot, etc... but restaurants have to shutdown or golf courses have to be closed?
This doesn't mean that trying to control the spread hasn't been about science vs politics.
Stay safe, keep that mask up.