The coronavirus

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

what dreams said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

JW269453 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.

Gotta comb the internet to get mad though

Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...

Didn't even need the internet for that one.

Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?

Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?

Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!

I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.

Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.

I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?

Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.

 I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.

How about comparing the US to the EU?

https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/

Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million

Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.

I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone. 

While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary.  I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election.  Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible).  But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.

But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America."  We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world.  We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary.  And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs).  So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.

Hillary or likely any other candidate would be encouraging masks, etc. on a daily basis.  Trump has failed horribly at leading us out of this shit

To be fair,  the right wing governors and people would still be fighting the mask.  I really don't know if it would make a difference. Trump advocating masks would have helped though

I agree with Gern that anyone else would be encouraging masks.  I do think you're right that you'd have some on the right fighting it to own the libs.  But a lot of this crap (corona and non-corona issues alike) is about following Trump because 1) that REALLY owns the libs and 2) it's a cult. So it's hard to say just how badly dum-dums like DeSantis would be behaving right now. And it's hard to say where that 135,000 would be at.  Less, but how much less?  Sadly we'll never know.  We'd have better leadership but we'd still be terribly divided and terribly American.

Yeah that's a good point.  Maybe the whole mindset is not as pervasive without Trump and his minions.  He would have just been a losing candidate.  
It's a real "chicken and egg" argument with these douches.  Is Trump following a lunatic base, or is the base following a lunatic?   There's examples for both. 

dignin

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

JW269453 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Some countries get it....

https://twitter.com/eorden/status/1282445117031419904?s=19

One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.

Gotta comb the internet to get mad though

Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...

Didn't even need the internet for that one.

Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?

Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?

Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!

I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.

Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.

I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?

Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.

 I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.

It really is interesting (to put it friendly) to admittingly never participate in the political process then come on the AMT and criticize people who do. I guess how ever you get your kicks? Obviously you want to participate in politics, even if by just passive aggressively defending Trump. So if you want to continue this defense let's continue it over in the Trump thread.  

But yeah, back to the virus (which has become very much politicised). I nervously watch the dumpster fire in the US hoping it doesn't spread to my country, the intensity of the virus and stupidity. 

More interesting than someone who doesn't have to smell the shit, but willingly sticks their nose in it anyway? I live here and can't get away from the stench. Criticize people? Defending trump? This post isn't very long, go back and read it. I get your game and I am not interested.

Trust me, we can smell the stench all the way up here.

If you think the giant dump Trump and his supporters are taking down there doesn't greatly impact and offend our noses here in Canada I can understand why you don't involve yourself in politics. 

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

Pierre Trudeau

brianlux

what dreams said:

I don't understand why anyone thinks half ass measures are going to do anything except prolong the suffering, both to our health and the economy. Either we try again with a fully national, close to 100% shutdown (we got  to about 50% at best, according to estimates I've seen), or we just say fuck it and give up. I see and hear people all around me going with the give up route. Masking, social distancing, hand-washing -- those are mitigating behaviors. Those are not "Let's squash this fucking virus" behaviors. Seriously -- all these idiots at the beach this summer. You couldn't go one damn summer of your life without a beach vacation???

I'm a teacher trying to get my students back in school so their parents can go back to work. Taking them on a beach vacation shows me these parents are not serious at all about getting back to work or school. 

As much as it would be hard on the economy, it seems to me that shutting down as much as possible would make the most sense.   As unpredictable and complex as this virus is, just giving up seems foolish. 

The more people talk about giving up, the more I stay home.  Maybe in some ways it's easy for me to say that because I've been dirt poor before, lived through it, and know I could again if I had to, but I probably wouldn't survive if I got the virus.    I think a lot of people aren't willing to give up their lifestyle and figure they'll take their chances with the virus.  No way would I take that choice, but I guess everyone is going to do what they are going to do.  I just wish more people would opt for caution.

Kat

Leave those teachers and kids (and all support staff) alone.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1283046619450089476

oftenreading

Kat said:

Leave those teachers and kids (and all support staff) alone.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1283046619450089476

Unfortunately, what it boils down to for many people is they are "tired" of the restrictions related to the pandemic. They make statements like "we can't do this forever", when they have never even really done "this" effectively. It's a sort of magical thinking - "I really don't like this, so I'll pretend it's not happening".

Bentleyspop

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Heres my recent experience.....

This past weekend my S.O. and I went to 2 different car show type events in 2 different settings. This was the first time we had done anything or gone anywhere that wasn't a "necessity" since the first week of March.

Saturday was your run of the mill American classics in a suburban parking lot outside 2 local craft breweries (literally next door to each other).
Out of the 2 hundred or so people in the parking lot and brewery taprooms we were the only people wearing masks except for may 4 or five others. No staff, no volunteers, nobody. It was scary. Even outside. We didn't hang around long.

Sunday was high end cars in the parking lot of the local Bentley dealership. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ford GT, Porsche, Etc. Out of a few hundred people maybe 15-20 including us were wearing masks. When we went into the crowded Bentley showroom we were the only ones wearing masks. It was scary. We went into the high end cocktail/whiskey bar next door. Nobody wearing masks. No staff, no guests, nobody. It was scary. Went back outside did another lap of the cars and left.

America and Americans are not dealing with this in a good safe way. Maybe this will end up being Darwinism at play and the herd will be thinned.

What city/ state?

Omaha, NE

oftenreading

Not even sure which thread to put this in. Could go well in a number of different ones, but I'll put it here.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/ncaa-football-risk-resume-play-covid-19-morgan-campbell-1.5647269

Rich white coaches want football in a pandemic, but unpaid Black players are most at risk

The governing bodies running college and university sports in Canada decided back in June to cancel fall sports for this school year, and the move made sense.

Without a vaccine for COVID-19, and with schools hesitant to even host in-person classes this September, it's tough to justify varsity sports. Asking students to share living spaces, weight rooms and water bottles during a pandemic is daring them to spread the deadly virus.

Last week the Ivy League — which includes Harvard, Princeton and Yale — became the latest U.S.-based circuit to shut down fall sports, a decision that looks more logical as the case count climbs. By Monday afternoon the U.S. had registered more than 3.3 million cases and 135,000 deaths. It doesn't take a Princeton grad to figure out that the virus doesn't care about a football schedule.

But the Power-5 conferences and the brand-name programs that compose them are proceeding as if the pandemic will subside in time for kickoff. The Big Ten and Pac 12 have eliminated competitions against non-conference opponents, but the Southeastern and Atlantic Coast Conferences haven't announced plans to adjust fall sports programming.

That scenario makes its own kind of sense, given the billions of dollars at stake and the racial disparities at play each college football season. The players are technically amateurs, but college football head coaches all get paid. A lot. Dabo Swinney of the Clemson Tigers made $9.3 million US last season. That salary, like much of major college football's appeal, depends heavily on Black talent. According to the NCAA's diversity database, Black people composed 49 per cent of Division 1 football rosters last season, but just 14 per cent of head coaches.

So if you're confused about why a mainly white group of coaches and administrators would encourage a largely Black group of athletes to resume practice even as COVID-19 cases surge in states like Florida and South Carolina, remember that rich decision-makers assume little of the risk. Money motivates the push to salvage college football season this fall, but race underpins all of it.

When the Ontario Colleges Athletic Association announced its fall sports shutdown in June, president Nathan McFadden made the priorities plain.

"This is a difficult, but necessary decision to protect the health and well-being of all our student-athletes," he said in a news release. 

Contrast McFadden's reaction with Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy's response when asked in April about playing this autumn.

"They're 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 years old, and they are healthy and they have the ability to fight the virus off," Gundy told Sports Illustrated. "We sequester them and we continue, because we need to run some money through the state of Oklahoma."

(article continues in link)

Merkin Baller

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Leave those teachers and kids (and all support staff) alone.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1283046619450089476

Unfortunately, what it boils down to for many people is they are "tired" of the restrictions related to the pandemic. They make statements like "we can't do this forever", when they have never even really done "this" effectively. It's a sort of magical thinking - "I really don't like this, so I'll pretend it's not happening".

It's crazy that people thought they could just bury their heads in the sand and wish this problem away.

I wonder where anyone would have got such a stupid idea...

brianlux

oftenreading said:

Kat said:

Leave those teachers and kids (and all support staff) alone.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1283046619450089476

Unfortunately, what it boils down to for many people is they are "tired" of the restrictions related to the pandemic. They make statements like "we can't do this forever", when they have never even really done "this" effectively. It's a sort of magical thinking - "I really don't like this, so I'll pretend it's not happening".

Well said.  

I think it also has to do with how in general we have become spoiled and corrupted by convenience.  A lot of people actually freak out because they can't deal with the idea of not being able to going shopping (for on-essentials), or not being able to go out to eat frequently ("What?  Me cook?"), or to pay someone to entertain us (not that that's a bad thing, but learning to entertain oneself and people around us is less common than it once was).  Modern first world humans can't deal with living anyway other than as royalty, or beyond how royalty in the past lived.  Basic skills, do-it-yourself abilities, and economy (as in "careful management of available resources") are our human safety net.  Take those away, and most of us flounder.

It might be helpful to see this pandemic as an opportunity to become more self-sufficient, reasonably frugal, and interdependent on a much smaller scale.

what dreams

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

what dreams said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

JW269453 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Some countries get it....One would assume it is easier to control 4.8 million people compared to 326.7 million people who already can't agree on anything...just slightly though.

Gotta comb the internet to get mad though

Comb the internet? 137,000 deaths and counting...

Didn't even need the internet for that one.

Is there a coronavirus hotline number you could share for US only stats, or does your non internet Canadian news source of choice just choose to pay as much attention to the US as you do?

Still think you would be in the same covid disaster with Hillary at the helm?

Sure you do, it's American exceptionalism!

I’ve already stated that it is pointless to play those silly games. Could be better or it could be worse, no different than literally any other scenario you could dream about. It just seems weird that you choose to immerse yourself in all things US, but I understand the need to feel accepted is greater for some. I am glad you have found your home.

Could be better, could be worse? Guess we shouldn't bother with critical thought, because, ya know, silly.

I have no idea what you're going on about. Accepted? Found my home?

Any objective person can see your president has fucked this up beyond any imaginable measure. A complete and total fraud. I'm just glad the Canadian border in (mostly) closed.

 I commented because common sense would suggest comparing the US and NZ is a major stretch given the population disparity. Pretty simple, and in no way political. You bring up the US death toll and then hillary for some reason, thank you for your critical thinking. Now you are saying about trump what has already been said a million times over like there are people who still haven’t heard this or realize it. More critical thinking or just copy and paste? I have never participated in our political process and prefer not to bitch and moan everyday, but don’t worry I have already been made aware it is my fault trump was elected In the first place so you can save yourself from that line. Back to the virus.

How about comparing the US to the EU?

https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/

Population of EU: 445 million
Population of the US: 331 million

Yea, nobody does it better than 'Murica. And anyone, anyone, could have done a better job of reacting to and managing Covid in the US than Team Trump Treason.

I hate Trump as much as the next person, but at this point, I'm laying the blame at the foot of the American people. At this point, people have decided to play Russian roulette with this virus. So far, if you're white, you've been mostly lucky. This luck will run out when the white teachers go into schools with their black and brown students and bring it into their cozy, clean neighborhoods. Get ready for October, everyone. 

While I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump for 135,000 out of 135,000 deaths, I do think it would be going a bit better with Hillary.  I don't think she'd be actively trying to wish away all negative news and contradicting actual experts for the sake of her election.  Yeah, she'd have made missteps (as do the experts; it's science, not the bible).  But the focus from the White House would be on actually trying to mitigate as opposed to dividing us and winning an election.

But I agree that the lion's share of the problem is simply "America."  We're probably the most individual-focused (i.e., least collective-focused) country in the world.  We look out for ourselves in America and we don't generally like to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. And we don't like to be told what to do. This would still be a factor under Hillary.  And she's hated enough that her wearing a mask might have the same outcome as Trump not wearing one (i.e., people not wearing them to own the libs).  So either way, this was probably a perfect disaster for the US to show the world what it is.

Hillary or likely any other candidate would be encouraging masks, etc. on a daily basis.  Trump has failed horribly at leading us out of this shit

To be fair,  the right wing governors and people would still be fighting the mask.  I really don't know if it would make a difference. Trump advocating masks would have helped though

Exactly. We all know how much America loves Hillary. Sure the people wiould have listened to her.   /s 

It has nothing to do with leadership at this point. People have made up their minds about what they are going to do, how much risk they are going to tolerate.  Most people have decided that they are going to sacrifice the public health (and the resultant impact on the economy) so they can have their restaurant meals and trips to the shore and gym workouts and backyard barbeques. Anybody who doesn't know by now that the single best thing you can do is stay home so the case numbers drop, is just clueless.  We will never contact trace our way out of a 60,000 and rising per day case load. It's out of control, and nothing short of another complete shut down is going to change that. 

RYME

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results
This is Orlando Fox affiliate channel 35
Not Fox News Channel.
More game playing.
100% positive testing.  Yeah

PJNB

RYME said:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results
This is Orlando Fox affiliate channel 35
Not Fox News Channel.
More game playing.
100% positive testing.  Yeah

The testing has always been shit. They do not say that the positives were not positives however but they were not including the negatives in the tally.

Either way look at the hospitals right now in Florida right now. That should be enough evidence to you what is going on in that state.  

F Me In The Brain

From WI all that happens in FL looks like a hoax.
SMH

jerparker20

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results
This is Orlando Fox affiliate channel 35
Not Fox News Channel.
More game playing.
100% positive testing.  Yeah

The testing has always been shit. They do not say that the positives were not positives however but they were not including the negatives in the tally.

Either way look at the hospitals right now in Florida right now. That should be enough evidence to you what is going on in that state.  

Exactly. 

OnWis97

CDC director: U.S. could get coronavirus "under control" in 4–8 weeks if all wear masks

https://www.axios.com/cdc-director-masking-coronavirus-dba00f19-4167-43a0-b021-9a9e66974517.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100&fbclid=IwAR1IXMXJUfo2HWRpTJrfC9d_iu1N9PxjObXoKwvkeLY7vWJ9kC4Cs5Ucagw

Two problems:

1. Not worth it!
2. We don't believe it!
   

Halifax2TheMax

I guess killing 100 people in The Station nightclub fire wasn’t enough?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/us/great-white-band-apology-trnd/index.html

Lerxst1992

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Why would you even be there?
To participate makes you part of it, no?
(Do you have a house on the shore or something?  If not I don't understand why people are going there....just a general question, not meant to be singling out what you choose to do.)

And, as someone who lives in Cherry Hill, South Jersey has a huge number of knuckle dragger, Trump Fans who are anti - virus thinkers.

Why would they be there?  Well I guess because if people were taking normal precautions it would be pretty safe.

Everyone has their take on what we should be doing to try and keep things from spreading, I guess.
My take is to stay home.  No need to go to another state and have a vacation.  A want?  Of course, like most the plans we made for this year are trashed   For me, traveling is not a need and not a must right now and I think that while there are ways to be pretty safe, the way to be most safe and contribute least to the spread is only to travel if there is a must.

I do understand being stir crazy and wanting to get out and get a change of scenery.  I took 46 trips for work and many for pleasure in addition to that last year.  Not at all used to being cooped up....but this is how I feel riding this out looks best 
Not saying that is best, just what I feel is best for us.

I've been home almost 4 months and my wife and I did not take this mini vacation decision lightly. We opted to not cancel our reservation  but to change rooms that has a patio of about 140 sq feet and had most of our meals there. It also gave us alot more space that was "ours." When we did go to a restaurant it was breakfast or early lunch. When I went to the beach, I made the effort to put my chair at least 12 feet away. When in the pool with my Daughter, I made the effort to keep us 6 apart from others. And the capital D is a t/h to PJ.

I was sharing observations of the general public. And I tend to be pessimistic about how America is dealing w covid. If NY NJ were in a upward curve, we would have canceled our trip for sure.

brianlux

brianlux

Lerxst1992

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