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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,465
    Mask it or casket
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    edited July 2020
    This is the family I have been talking about since COVID started:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/nyregion/coronavirus-fusco-family-nj.html?fbclid=IwAR0VjL0YL9CgpvP1RqvZhvUccpzIcah-5bFtSz8ApIQtBhf_xE8wdL-2KGs

    FREEHOLD, N.J. — Each morning they awake with fingers curled inward, stiffened like claws.

    Their schedules are dictated by doctors’ appointments, physical therapy sessions and bouts of exhaustion. After weeks on ventilators, two siblings remain too weak to work even as their medical bills mount.

    But at a table filled with several members of a tight-knit New Jersey family, the Fuscos, who lost five relatives to the coronavirus, the conversation repeatedly veers away from the chaos and pain of the last three months.

    They do not avoid talk of their family’s devastating collective loss. But they also speak of a new focus: finding a remedy for the disease that killed their mother, three siblings and an aunt.

    At least 19 other family members contracted the virus, and those who survived Covid-19 did not emerge unscathed.

    Joe Fusco, 49, lost 55 pounds and spent 30 days on a ventilator. His sister, Maria Reid, 44, cannot shake the memory of the disjointed hallucinations that dogged her during the 19 or 20 days she was unconscious, or the terror of waking up convinced that her 10-year-old daughter was dead.

    “This ain’t over,” Mr. Fusco said of the pandemic on a recent afternoon in the backyard of his home in Freehold, N.J. “This ain’t over in the least bit.”

    “I want to help somebody,” he added. “I don’t want anyone else to have to lose five family members.”

    The Fuscos were unwilling pioneers charting an early course through all that was unknown about a virus that has killed more than 126,000 people in the United States.

    They are now trailblazers of another kind, subjects of at least three scientific studies.

    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine is conducting research that involves evaluating the DNA of the surviving and deceased members of the large Italian-American family for genetic clues. DNA from those who died will be retrieved from hairbrushes, a toothbrush, a blood sample and tissue from an unrelated gallbladder surgery.

    Each Thursday, Elizabeth Fusco, the youngest of the 11 children, donates antibody-rich blood plasma that is used to treat patients with the virus to determine if it can help boost their immune response.

    “We know another wave is going to come,” Ms. Fusco said. “It’s inevitable. Whatever will help this world is all I care about.”

    Their help may prove useful well before the predicted second wave hits as states like Florida and Texas confront an alarming surge in new cases.

    The Fusco family’s trauma began just before the state’s lockdown, as a slow cascade of closures marked the start of a new normal.

    On March 13, Rita Fusco Jackson, 56, became the second person to die of Covid-19 in New Jersey, which has since recorded 14,992 deaths, making it No. 2 in the nation behind New York for virus-related fatalities.

    Within a week, her mother, Grace Fusco, 73, and two brothers, Carmine, 55, and Vincent, 53, had also died. Grace Fusco’s sister on Staten Island died weeks later.

    Their story became an urgent, cautionary tale about the potency of the disease and the importance of staying apart at a time when social distancing was still a novel concept.

    During the first week of March, Carmine Fusco, the eldest son who was visiting from Pennsylvania, had described feeling chilled during a routine Tuesday dinner in Freehold that drew about 25 family members, his siblings said.

    The precise source of the extended family’s infection is unclear, said Mr. Fusco, a horse owner like his father and brothers who had spent time in the weeks beforehand with both brothers who died. He recalls waking up feeling “beat up” the morning after the dinner, which was held at the house where his mother lived with three of his siblings and their families.

    He was admitted to the hospital days later, beginning a medical odyssey that would last 44 days. Much of the treatment was experimental, he said, and involved trial and error.

    “When I was leaving the hospital, the doctor said, ‘You don’t realize the debt of gratitude the world owes your family,’” said Mr. Fusco, the father of three children aged 10 to 18.

    As news accounts of their story swept the globe, the family was cited by state health officials as a prime reason for staying apart.

    Still, even as they were being held up as the family no one wanted to become, Elizabeth Fusco was stepping into the role of the little sister everyone might hope to have.

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  • brianlux
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  • Lerxst1992
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    NHL is giving up on the pathetic United States



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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    A smaller percentage of covid cases require hospitalization in Canada now compared to earlier in the pandemic, though that doesn’t necessarily imply that the virus is less pathogenic. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    static111 said:
    i'm not much into conspiracy theories, but i follow anonymous on twitter for a lark, and they had this insane thread, with insane details, about how trump agreed with china to hide the virus info he knew (IN NOVEMBER) in exchange for help with the 2020 election. the epstein shit, the bill barr shit, true or not, it's pretty wild stuff. right out of a movie. 
    I heard about that thread care to link @HughFreakingDillon I have been looking for it and can’t find it
    they may have deleted it. i searched and searched their twitter feed for it and couldn't find it. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,391
    See Sleepy Woke Joe's comments below. Very presidential. Speaking of which, Team Trump Treason was again asked what his agenda would be for a second term. Again, he couldn't articulate anything other than  a word salad. So much winning. Are you sick of winning yet?

    July 2, 2020 at 9:36 a.m. EDT
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    The extraordinary news that the European Union has banned American travelers as a self-protective public health measure should draw scrutiny to another appalling dimension of President Trump’s spectacular mishandling of the pandemic, one that has eluded extensive discussion.

    In a new statement sent to this blog, Joe Biden is opening up a new front along these lines, arguing that the E.U. ban shows that Trump has transformed the U.S. “into a global health risk.”

    When the E.U. announced its ban on U.S. travel — based on our ballooning coronavirus cases, relative to much of the rest of the world — it placed us in a rarefied category of other countries that are also banned: Russia and Brazil.

    Which shows that Trump’s disastrous failures haven’t just helped cause tens of thousands of needless U.S. deaths. They aren’t only helping to cause new coronavirus spikes in many states that could prolong our economic calamity.

    They’ve also turned us into a kind of global pandemic pariah. And that will carry all sorts of other destructive consequences.

    In the new statement, which was sent to me in response to my inquiries about Biden’s views of the E.U. ban, Biden says:

    These new travel restrictions will have real consequences for Americans’ ties to the world — personally, economically, culturally, and strategically. Families that have been separated for months will be kept apart even longer. Commercial opportunities for hard-hit American business will be stunted. And the rift that Trump has created with our closest allies will only widen.

    Biden notes that all this is the direct result of Trump’s serial failures to take the coronavirus seriously — which also includes Trump’s urging of a too-rapid reopening, leading to a resurgence — and adds:

    Because Trump can’t do the most basic parts of his job, the United States is now viewed as posing a global health risk. Today, America is first in infections, first in deaths, and the EU has decided to bar Americans from traveling there as Europe reopens.

    And Biden concludes:

    A president who started his term by writing hateful travel bans is responsible for getting the American people banned from traveling. His presidency is an outrage from start to finish.

    What’s notable is the casting of Trump’s role in bringing about the E.U. ban as another form of deep damage to our international relationships — damage, of course, that Trump himself did on many other fronts. The monumental botching of the coronavirus pandemic, then, is both extension and exacerbation of that Trumpian damage.

    The E.U. is reopening borders to 15 countries, but it excluded the United States, Russia and Brazil. The metric the E.U. used was the number of new cases in the past two weeks per 100,000 people. As the New York Times notes, “the average among the 27 European Union countries was 16 in mid-June; in the United States, it was 107.”

    The Times further reports on the consequences and deeper significance of this:

    The prolonged severance of travel ties between the bloc and the United States has disrupted a critical economic, cultural and diplomatic relationship. Business travelers on both sides of the Atlantic are desperate to resume their visits, couples and families have been split up for months, and the differences between the European and American approaches to combating the pandemic have brought to the fore divergent views on science and policy.
    While most European nations went into strict lockdowns early in their outbreaks and have been promoting the wearing of masks and other measures to try and control the resurgence of the illness, the United States has seen a patchwork response and the number of new cases has continued to balloon.

    Taken together, all this serves as an indictment not just of Trump’s presidency but also of his illiberal populist nationalist worldview (as well as our woefully underfunded and piecemeal public health system and welfare state).

    It shows us parting ways with Western countries — which appear to have managed the pandemic far more successfully — while lumping us in with Russia and Brazil, whose responses were hampered by their own leadership’s disdain for scientific advice and empirical evidence of the threat, much as ours was.

    The crowning irony to all this is that Trump has relentlessly sought to convert the pandemic into support for his worldview, his hostility to the ideal of open societies, by demagoguing it into nothing more than a suite of foreign threats. He has used it as a pretext to bar foreign workers from entry and has scapegoated international institutions for his own epic failures.

    Trump has also repeatedly blamed China, hailing his own ban on travel from there as an act of brave and heroic leadership. This, even though his depraved indifference to the coronavirus allowed it to rampage out of control here long after that.

    Temporary bans on travel and immigration in such emergencies are not in and of themselves necessarily objectionable. But in Trump’s case, they have been paired with bottomless contempt for empiricism, science and good government on virtually all other aspects of the crisis.

    It’s an extraordinary perversity that in part because of that contempt, we continue to be the target for such a ban even as many other countries recover.

    All this provides a way for Biden to expand on his indictment of Trump’s handling of coronavirus: We’ve become a global public health threat (as Biden suggested) when we should be showing international leadership on global public health.

    This argument from Biden opens the door to a renewed commitment to such international leadership on global health — at the helm of a revitalized multinationalism — as an alternative to Trump’s blustery, populist, science-and-empiricism-disdaining nationalism. And we’re likely to hear more of this.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/02/biden-just-slammed-trump-new-hidden-vulnerability/
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Tejas governor just declared a mandatory mask policy for any county with 20 or more covid cases. All the Tejas “responsible” gun owners going to storm the Capitol, protest outside the governor’s manse and hold signs saying “My body, my right?”
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  • PJNB
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    Just saw on CNN that the US is now ahead of Canada with positive daily Corona tests by 10 times per capita. That is insanely high number. I still think that the fact that we do not have as many large cities as you guys plays a huge role in this even though they are taking into account per capita. On the other hand I would never have guessed with the warmer weather that you guys would be so high still in July and while we both made mistakes at the start Canada definitely worked better as a nation going forward.

    Also I think this really hurts Trump for those US citizens that are paying attention to what is going on in the world and to their neighbour in the north. Maybe his base is the group that is not paying attention and the needle will not move there but to look to the north and see how a pandemic could have been handled better and the results we are getting has to be something voters are looking at. 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,465
    PJNB said:
    Just saw on CNN that the US is now ahead of Canada with positive daily Corona tests by 10 times per capita. That is insanely high number. I still think that the fact that we do not have as many large cities as you guys plays a huge role in this even though they are taking into account per capita. On the other hand I would never have guessed with the warmer weather that you guys would be so high still in July and while we both made mistakes at the start Canada definitely worked better as a nation going forward.

    Also I think this really hurts Trump for those US citizens that are paying attention to what is going on in the world and to their neighbour in the north. Maybe his base is the group that is not paying attention and the needle will not move there but to look to the north and see how a pandemic could have been handled better and the results we are getting has to be something voters are looking at. 
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  • PJPOWER
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    Texas now has a mandatory mask order.  I would say that probably 85% of people that I’ve seen at stores are NOT wearing them, so it doesn’t surprise me that Abbott implemented this.  One frustrating thing that I’ve seen from leaders across the board is them not wearing masks when addressing the public.  What happened to “lead by example”?!?!  I don’t care if your voice sounds muffled, if you are telling people to wear masks, then you should be wearing one while addressing them.  This has become one of my new pet peeves.  Just watched a briefing from the Nee Mexico governor too and she was not wearing one...what message do they think that sends?
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,110
    static111 said:
    i'm not much into conspiracy theories, but i follow anonymous on twitter for a lark, and they had this insane thread, with insane details, about how trump agreed with china to hide the virus info he knew (IN NOVEMBER) in exchange for help with the 2020 election. the epstein shit, the bill barr shit, true or not, it's pretty wild stuff. right out of a movie. 
    I heard about that thread care to link @HughFreakingDillon I have been looking for it and can’t find it
    they may have deleted it. i searched and searched their twitter feed for it and couldn't find it. 
    I ended up finding it.  Opdeatheaters or something it’s really crazy and its all actual public record information not like crazy pizza hate nonsense.  
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  • static111
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    Tejas governor just declared a mandatory mask policy for any county with 20 or more covid cases. All the Tejas “responsible” gun owners going to storm the Capitol, protest outside the governor’s manse and hold signs saying “My body, my right?”
    No they only did that when our democratic city council decided to make a mandatory mask order in Austin before the cases blew up way back in March.
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  • jeffbr
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    PJNB said:
    Just saw on CNN that the US is now ahead of Canada with positive daily Corona tests by 10 times per capita. That is insanely high number. I still think that the fact that we do not have as many large cities as you guys plays a huge role in this even though they are taking into account per capita. On the other hand I would never have guessed with the warmer weather that you guys would be so high still in July and while we both made mistakes at the start Canada definitely worked better as a nation going forward.

    Also I think this really hurts Trump for those US citizens that are paying attention to what is going on in the world and to their neighbour in the north. Maybe his base is the group that is not paying attention and the needle will not move there but to look to the north and see how a pandemic could have been handled better and the results we are getting has to be something voters are looking at. 
    Well, the good news for the US is we have a leader who has assured us that this will just disappear, so we should be good soon. :anguished:
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  • dignin
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    jeffbr said:
    PJNB said:
    Just saw on CNN that the US is now ahead of Canada with positive daily Corona tests by 10 times per capita. That is insanely high number. I still think that the fact that we do not have as many large cities as you guys plays a huge role in this even though they are taking into account per capita. On the other hand I would never have guessed with the warmer weather that you guys would be so high still in July and while we both made mistakes at the start Canada definitely worked better as a nation going forward.

    Also I think this really hurts Trump for those US citizens that are paying attention to what is going on in the world and to their neighbour in the north. Maybe his base is the group that is not paying attention and the needle will not move there but to look to the north and see how a pandemic could have been handled better and the results we are getting has to be something voters are looking at. 
    Well, the good news for the US is we have a leader who has assured us that this will just disappear, so we should be good soon. :anguished:
    He's not wrong, once everyone has caught it, it will eventually disappear. The logic is sound, 3D sound.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Despite requirements for wearing face masks, I'm hearing a number of reports of people who refuse to wear masks in my wife's bookstore.  It blows my mind that some people are so selfish.  The skeleton crew that still works there wear a mask all day long and all.  Why is it such a big deal for someone to wear a mask for a the short period of time they are browsing or looking for a book?   This pandemic seems to bring the worst out in some people.
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  • Meltdown99
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    A greenhouse here Essex county Ontario had 191 test positive and was shut down by the health board.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:
    Despite requirements for wearing face masks, I'm hearing a number of reports of people who refuse to wear masks in my wife's bookstore.  It blows my mind that some people are so selfish.  The skeleton crew that still works there wear a mask all day long and all.  Why is it such a big deal for someone to wear a mask for a the short period of time they are browsing or looking for a book?   This pandemic seems to bring the worst out in some people.
    Because some people.- ideologies aside - are just selfish ignorant fucking assholes. 
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